Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

How long?

  • Year 1

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Within the first 3-5 seasons

    Votes: 9 39.1%

  • At LEAST 10 years

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Texas BBQ style potato salad

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
BTW, for the Boomer Sooner fans:



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Thiefery said:
I've had YoutubeTV since I moved into this apt in Houston.. I hate it, but probably because I have been a long long time Cable subscriber.

Soon as I close on my house I'll be ordering either AT&T or Infinity.

Also I found this to be amusing;
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My issue with AT&T is their plan that has FSSW is already more expensive, and then they force you to rent their set top boxes and all that crap.
 
Red_Alert said:
What those spewing the low hanging fruit regarding Nebraska not being in prime recruiting grounds is HOPE.

They HOPE Nebraska stays down thus reach for whatever they can to justify it in their minds.
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With respect to me, one you have accused of picking low hanging fruit, you couldn't be more wrong. I want the good programs to be good again. I want NU, USC, TX, UCLA, UM, The U, FSU to get good again. It's good for college football, and while I am a fan of my team, I've been a fan of CFB for 50+ years. I always liked NU. I had the chance to sit and talk with Osborne for 30 minutes in the RDU airport a decade ago when he was here visiting Duke for something. What a great guy. I have good friends that live in NE who are die hard fans. So, no, I don't hope you stay terrible, I am just smart enough to understand why you are where you are today, even if you deny it.

What you keep dismissing as low hanging fruit is just a dismissal of the obvious. Since your good years, the game has changed and the where the best players has changed. It started with the desegregation of the sport all the way through to today where the huge bulk of the best players, especially on the LOS, are located in the south. Those players simply aren't going to go to the north or Midwest in numbers sufficient to enable you to compete at an elite level. The only hope you have is to find a coach who is so absolutely dynamic that he can somehow convince the best players to come play in Nebraska, that has been mediocre for 2 decades - their entire lifetime - instead of going to the teams in the south that are winning now. Because he won't get the best players, he is going to have to not only be dynamic, he has to be so good a coach that he can develop the 3 starts you get (currently your highest ranked player is 3* ranked 560). They have to develop them into 4 and 5* talent. That simply isn't going to happen on a consistent basis. And, if he is that good, he will get snatched up by better programs that have better access to the more fertile recruiting grounds.

You can call that low hanging fruit all you want ... but that's 20 years of history that says I am right. Frost was your best chance in a long time as he appeared to be that type of dynamic coach, plus he had ties that said he would stay. You guys should give him all the time he needs in the new free agency/NIL era of football to see what he can do. It will be hard for you to find someone better. The simple fact is that all the advantages you had don't exist any more:

- Scholarship limitations limit the players you have have on a team a redshirt (that set Bama back for a while, too).
- Hugh crowds - everyone has them now, the south as many if not more.
- Southern pipeline is shutdown, and can't see that re-opening.
- A lot of the rivalries you had (OU in particular) are gone with the move to the B1G
- Other than tOSU, what non-southern schools are flourishing? Whatever is causing that, you have to deal with it.
- No TV advantage by being a blue-blood ... everyone is on TV all the time.

I have no idea how one overcomes that. I hope you do. You are in good company.
 
Granted I haven't read this entire thread, so maybe already discussed. Do you think Texas and Oklahoma colluded together to make this move? Or did they do it of their own accord without knowledge the other school was applying?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
With respect to me, one you have accused of picking low hanging fruit, you couldn't be more wrong. I want the good programs to be good again. I want NU, USC, TX, UCLA, UM, The U, FSU to get good again. It's good for college football, and while I am a fan of my team, I've been a fan of CFB for 50+ years. I always liked NU. I had the chance to sit and talk with Osborne for 30 minutes in the RDU airport a decade ago when he was here visiting Duke for something. What a great guy. I have good friends that live in NE who are die hard fans. So, no, I don't hope you stay terrible, I am just smart enough to understand why you are where you are today, even if you deny it.

What you keep dismissing as low hanging fruit is just a dismissal of the obvious. Since your good years, the game has changed and the where the best players has changed. It started with the desegregation of the sport all the way through to today where the huge bulk of the best players, especially on the LOS, are located in the south. Those players simply aren't going to go to the north or Midwest in numbers sufficient to enable you to compete at an elite level. The only hope you have is to find a coach who is so absolutely dynamic that he can somehow convince the best players to come play in Nebraska, that has been mediocre for 2 decades - their entire lifetime - instead of going to the teams in the south that are winning now. Because he won't get the best players, he is going to have to not only be dynamic, he has to be so good a coach that he can develop the 3 starts you get (currently your highest ranked player is 3* ranked 560). They have to develop them into 4 and 5* talent. That simply isn't going to happen on a consistent basis. And, if he is that good, he will get snatched up by better programs that have better access to the more fertile recruiting grounds.

You can call that low hanging fruit all you want ... but that's 20 years of history that says I am right. Frost was your best chance in a long time as he appeared to be that type of dynamic coach, plus he had ties that said he would stay. You guys should give him all the time he needs in the new free agency/NIL era of football to see what he can do. It will be hard for you to find someone better. The simple fact is that all the advantages you had don't exist any more:

- Scholarship limitations limit the players you have have on a team a redshirt (that set Bama back for a while, too).
- Hugh crowds - everyone has them now, the south as many if not more.
- Southern pipeline is shutdown, and can't see that re-opening.
- A lot of the rivalries you had (OU in particular) are gone with the move to the B1G
- Other than tOSU, what non-southern schools are flourishing? Whatever is causing that, you have to deal with it.
- No TV advantage by being a blue-blood ... everyone is on TV all the time.

I have no idea how one overcomes that. I hope you do. You are in good company.
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So you're going to explain how to pick low hanging fruit to me once again? LMFAO!!

For every one northern school that could/should be 'elite' but are not, there are 30+ southern schools that are not 'elite' that could/should be by feasting on your low hanging fruit.

Southern Cal hasn't been 'elite' in 12 years.
Texas hasn't been 'elite' in 11 years.
Miami hasn't been 'elite in 17 years.
Florida hasn't been 'elite' in 11 years.
Georgia (other than one year) hasn't been 'elite' in 18 years.
Auburn (other than two years) hasn't been 'elite' in 16 years.
Texas A&M hasn't been 'elite' in well..... Ever
Florida St hasn't been 'elite in 6 years. Other than 4 'elite' years of Jimbo Fisher they hadn't been 'elite for 11 years prior.
etc... etc.... etc... etc.... All feasting on your low hanging fruit.

Bama, Clemson, and Ohio St (elite) aren't the ONLY schools beating those teams. If they were you would have an extremely valid point.

Get the picture?
Probably not because there's a reason I refer to your thought process regarding Nebraska, Michigan, Penn St as 'low hanging fruit'.
Nebraska's very foundation has crumbled to where they've got to get back to 9 wins to even think about making the next step to 'elite'.

Put Saban, Dabo, or Meyer, in Michigan, Penn St, or any one of those other schools I mentioned and they quickly become 'elite'.
Enjoy your low hanging fruit if it makes you feel better.
 
temptresstoo said:
Granted I haven't read this entire thread, so maybe already discussed. Do you think Texas and Oklahoma colluded together to make this move? Or did they do it of their own accord without knowledge the other school was applying?
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I've wondered same. They're both great grabs as individuals. i.e. They didn't need the other.

I'm also suspicious the SEC didn't initiate things with both as it's a powerful economic move.

As I've pointed out before Texas is already making more than they would in the SEC ($45 million) as of 2021 with their base Big 12 pay + LHN ($50 million).
Texas (@ $50 million) is making just shy of Big 10 money ($54 million) in the Big 12.
Oklahoma is the only one getting a hefty raise.
 
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WhosYourDawggy said:
With respect to me, one you have accused of picking low hanging fruit, you couldn't be more wrong. I want the good programs to be good again. I want NU, USC, TX, UCLA, UM, The U, FSU to get good again. It's good for college football, and while I am a fan of my team, I've been a fan of CFB for 50+ years. I always liked NU. I had the chance to sit and talk with Osborne for 30 minutes in the RDU airport a decade ago when he was here visiting Duke for something. What a great guy. I have good friends that live in NE who are die hard fans. So, no, I don't hope you stay terrible, I am just smart enough to understand why you are where you are today, even if you deny it.

What you keep dismissing as low hanging fruit is just a dismissal of the obvious. Since your good years, the game has changed and the where the best players has changed. It started with the desegregation of the sport all the way through to today where the huge bulk of the best players, especially on the LOS, are located in the south. Those players simply aren't going to go to the north or Midwest in numbers sufficient to enable you to compete at an elite level. The only hope you have is to find a coach who is so absolutely dynamic that he can somehow convince the best players to come play in Nebraska, that has been mediocre for 2 decades - their entire lifetime - instead of going to the teams in the south that are winning now. Because he won't get the best players, he is going to have to not only be dynamic, he has to be so good a coach that he can develop the 3 starts you get (currently your highest ranked player is 3* ranked 560). They have to develop them into 4 and 5* talent. That simply isn't going to happen on a consistent basis. And, if he is that good, he will get snatched up by better programs that have better access to the more fertile recruiting grounds.

You can call that low hanging fruit all you want ... but that's 20 years of history that says I am right. Frost was your best chance in a long time as he appeared to be that type of dynamic coach, plus he had ties that said he would stay. You guys should give him all the time he needs in the new free agency/NIL era of football to see what he can do. It will be hard for you to find someone better. The simple fact is that all the advantages you had don't exist any more:

- Scholarship limitations limit the players you have have on a team a redshirt (that set Bama back for a while, too).
- Hugh crowds - everyone has them now, the south as many if not more.
- Southern pipeline is shutdown, and can't see that re-opening.
- A lot of the rivalries you had (OU in particular) are gone with the move to the B1G
- Other than tOSU, what non-southern schools are flourishing? Whatever is causing that, you have to deal with it.
- No TV advantage by being a blue-blood ... everyone is on TV all the time.

I have no idea how one overcomes that. I hope you do. You are in good company.
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The best advantage that I pointed out that Nebraska has which he seemed to miss or dismiss as Low-Hanging Fruit is that he plays in a division that really doesn't have a major powerhouse. You can maybe argue Wisconsin but really Wisconsin and Iowa are their two biggest opponents. He calls them low hanging fruit but both have owned Nebraska since the Huskers joined the B1G. Beating both of those programs (plus Minnesota and Northwestern) on a regular bases would give Nebraska the appearance of being back. That is all they have to do. However, it is apparently a lot harder than it sounds for the Huskers.
 
Volbound1700 said:
The best advantage that I pointed out that Nebraska has which he seemed to miss or dismiss as Low-Hanging Fruit is that he plays in a division that really doesn't have a major powerhouse. You can maybe argue Wisconsin but really Wisconsin and Iowa are their two biggest opponents. He calls them low hanging fruit but both have owned Nebraska since the Huskers joined the B1G. Beating both of those programs (plus Minnesota and Northwestern) on a regular bases would give Nebraska the appearance of being back. That is all they have to do. However, it is apparently a lot harder than it sounds for the Huskers.
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I could be wrong, but I believe his use of "low hanging fruit" is the criticism that we point to their inability to recruit. Who knows what he means by it. It makes sense to him, I suppose.
 
Red_Alert said:
So you're going to explain how to pick low hanging fruit to me once again? LMFAO!!

For every one northern school that could/should be 'elite' but are not, there are 30+ southern schools that are not 'elite' that could/should be by feasting on your low hanging fruit.

Southern Cal hasn't been 'elite' in 12 years.
Texas hasn't been 'elite' in 11 years.
Miami hasn't been 'elite in 17 years.
Florida hasn't been 'elite' in 11 years.
Georgia (other than one year) hasn't been 'elite' in 18 years.
Auburn (other than two years) hasn't been 'elite' in 16 years.
Texas A&M hasn't been 'elite' in well..... Ever
Florida St hasn't been 'elite in 6 years. Other than 4 'elite' years of Jimbo Fisher they hadn't been 'elite for 11 years prior.
etc... etc.... etc... etc.... All feasting on your low hanging fruit.

Bama, Clemson, and Ohio St (elite) aren't the ONLY schools beating those teams. If they were you would have an extremely valid point.

Get the picture?
Probably not because there's a reason I refer to your thought process regarding Nebraska, Michigan, Penn St as 'low hanging fruit'.
Nebraska's very foundation has crumbled to where they've got to get back to 9 wins to even think about making the next step to 'elite'.

Put Saban, Dabo, or Meyer, in Michigan, Penn St, or any one of those other schools I mentioned and they quickly become 'elite'.
Enjoy your low hanging fruit if it makes you feel better.
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A bunch of word salad. You aren't capable of discussing things rationally, so I won't try.
 
Wild Turkey said:
They organize violence like one and their leadership somewhere pulling strings. It’s amazing how you are willing to turn a blind eye to that type of bullshit and believe the propaganda they are feeding you.
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Don't waste your time with that moron. He's just another duck fan standing there gland in hand thinking how masks aren't enough and wishing he could find a whole body condom on Amazon.
 
Red_Alert said:
That's fine. If bringing low hanging fruit to the table is the best you can do to make yourself feel better, then so be it.
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You can't refute anything I listed in my last post ... you simply keep typing "low hanging fruit" as if that is some genius response. Actually make a substantive post and I'll respond. Otherwise you're trolling. No time for trolls. Too many other good posters to interact with.
 
Only 6 of the 22 in Ohio St's 2021 (#2 nationally ranked recruiting class) were from the state of Ohio. That's just 22%.
Only 4 were from 'SEC country'.
Even saying "SEC country" is a stretch being Missouri and Kentucky aren't true Dixie.
Kentucky borders Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri.
Missouri borders Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Kentucky

States represented in Ohio St's 2021 class

Washington: 2 (Not D.C. dumbasses. That state located in the extreme northwest part of the US)
Virginia: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Texas: 1
Missouri: 1
Georgia: 1
North Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 1
Kentucky: 1
Arizona: 1
Indiana: 1
Colorado: 1
Australia: 1

"BuT oHiO AiN't iN tEh SouF"

If even 50% of that class were from Ohio and the other 50% from SEC country, you knuckleheads would have a point, but they're not and you don't.
What you do have is low hanging fruit to distract from your team's NOT being 'elite'. Even though you're in said 'SEC country'.
 
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Red_Alert said:
Only 6 of the 22 in Ohio St's 2021 (#2 nationally ranked recruiting class) were from the state of Ohio. That's just 22%.
Only 4 were from 'SEC country'.
Even saying "SEC country" is a stretch being Missouri and Kentucky aren't true Dixie.
Kentucky borders Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri.
Missouri borders Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Kentucky

States represented in Ohio St's 2021 class

Washington: 2 (Not D.C. dumbasses. That state located in the extreme northwest part of the US)
Virginia: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Texas: 1
Missouri: 1
Georgia: 1
North Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 1
Kentucky: 1
Arizona: 1
Indiana: 1
Colorado: 1
Australia: 1

"BuT oHiO AiN't iN tEh SouF"

If even 50% of that class were from Ohio and the other 50% from SEC country, you knuckleheads would have a point, but they're not and you don't.
What you do have is low hanging fruit to distract from your team's NOT being 'elite'. Even though you're in said 'SEC country'.
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OlyDuck said:
"Right-wing media blames antifa members for rioting and looting. Democrats have also condemned such violence, but many on the left say the rhetoric about antifa is greatly exaggerated, and that it's less of an organized movement than just something of "an idea."

But much of what politicians say about antifa isn't quite true."

"Despite the media portrayal of a deranged, bloodthirsty antifa… the vast majority of anti-fascist tactics involve no physical violence whatsoever. Anti-fascists conduct research on the far right online, in person, and sometimes through infiltrations; they dox them, push central milieux to disown them, pressure bosses to fire them…"

"But it's also true that some of them punch Nazis in the face and don't apologize for it."
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It’s smart to offer themselves shade while they break things and hurt people. At the end of the day whatever it is they are enabling bad things to happen against innocent people, no matter how you slice it.
 
Why does Columbus, Ohio that spends 5 months a year in frozen tundra get such a highly rated class made up of such national diversity?

Because they're fucking successful, that's why.

They're successful because Tressel and Meyer were 'elite coaches', in a blueblood program, playing for and winning natty's.
That's why kids from all over want to play there.

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