Texas NIL Bill

[ralphiewvu]

In the 90s? FSU/ND/LSU/Miami were dominating TX recruiting for the bluechips.. After the death penalty blow to SMU, the SWC was labeled as a dirty conference .. didn't help that the best team at that point (sorry @fordman84 ) also got penalized in the FedEx shakedown.. they had some serious talent on the defensive side.. but they got not just bowl banned but also TV banned FWIW.

Nebraska to my knowledge didn't recruit Texas in their golden era before arriving to the Big12.. thought they recruited more national and really into CA.

However once the Big12 was formed and Mack started to rejuvenate UT football in the state.. it became heavily a Big12 recruiting ground. Oklahoma St recruited very well in Houston and also DFW.. ou always recruited DFW (it's their second home after Norman). What hurt the conference was when aggy left.. it opened the doors to schools like Ole Miss who took players that usually went to Oklahoma St or even Tech..

as the years went on it also hurt UT because they could not get consistent commits among bluechips on the lines.. their best players along the trenches were 3 stars..maybe low 4 stars that blossomed unexpectedly. The higher rated ones never seemed to pan out.

So if it was a heavily recruiting ground for the B12, why on Gods green earth would any school not in Texas or maybe Oklahoma agree to limited recruiting outside the office? That’s just stupid

 

[Thiefery]

So if it was a heavily recruiting ground for the B12, why on Gods green earth would any school not in Texas or maybe Oklahoma agree to limited recruiting outside the office? That’s just stupid

no one seemed to bitch about it other than Nebraska.. but they always felt that UT honey whispered into everyone's ear to take out the biggest threat to the TX stronghold, them.

 

[ralphiewvu]

no one seemed to bitch about it other than Nebraska.. but they always felt that UT honey whispered into everyone's ear to take out the biggest threat to the TX stronghold, them.

It makes literally no sense for teams like ISU, Mizzou, Colorado and the Kansas schools to vote for time limits if they are recruiting Tx heavily.

 

[Red_Alert]

In the 90s? FSU/ND/LSU/Miami were dominating TX recruiting for the bluechips.. After the death penalty blow to SMU, the SWC was labeled as a dirty conference .. didn't help that the best team at that point (sorry @fordman84 ) also got penalized in the FedEx shakedown.. they had some serious talent on the defensive side.. but they got not just bowl banned but also TV banned FWIW.

Nebraska to my knowledge didn't recruit Texas in their golden era before arriving to the Big12.. thought they recruited more national and really into CA.

However once the Big12 was formed and Mack started to rejuvenate UT football in the state.. it became heavily a Big12 recruiting ground. Oklahoma St recruited very well in Houston and also DFW.. ou always recruited DFW (it's their second home after Norman). What hurt the conference was when aggy left.. it opened the doors to schools like Ole Miss who took players that usually went to Oklahoma St or even Tech..

as the years went on it also hurt UT because they could not get consistent commits among bluechips on the lines.. their best players along the trenches were 3 stars..maybe low 4 stars that blossomed unexpectedly. The higher rated ones never seemed to pan out.

Nationally would be mainly California, New Jersey, and Florida.

Nebraska didn't recruit Texas as much as many think they did. However, over 50 years or so they did get a few All-Americans out of there. You'd probably recognize a few of these names.

Turner Gill (QB)
Aaron Graham (C)
Aaron Taylor (OT)
Junior Miller (TE)
Kris Brown (PK)
Broderick Thomas (DE)

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Who are the greatest Huskers from the Lone Star State? Editor Mike Babcock gives you a starting 22 plus two specialists made up of the best Nebraska's had from Texas.

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So if it was a heavily recruiting ground for the B12, why on Gods green earth would any school not in Texas or maybe Oklahoma agree to limited recruiting outside the office? That’s just stupid

The 'North Division' teams were easily persuaded because Nebraska had been beating them like rented mules for decades.

Naturally A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St were onboard the tejas proposal.

Nebraska had beaten Missouri 24 years straight from 1979 - 2002.

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As I stated, Nebraska's out-of-state recruits were primarily coming out of California, New Jersey, and Florida. Those were the places it would effect Nebraska most.

 

[Red_Alert]

It makes literally no sense for teams like ISU, Mizzou, Colorado and the Kansas schools to vote for time limits if they are recruiting Tx heavily.

They didn't have footprints in places like California, New Jersey, and Florida like Nebraska did.

Nothing has changed much in recruiting. The elite teams can recruit the blue chips nationally. Kids want to play where they have a chance to win conference and national titles. They also know those elite teams will give them exposure to get to the NFL.

Those teams were never gonna be nationally elite. They just wanted to be able to say they beat Nebraska once in a while and contend for the North Division title. It was more about Admin, Athletic Dept, Donors, and Fans.
i.e. Selling tickets and fundraising for those universities.

Even though Nebraska's been shit for 20 years, it's still a big deal to beat them just because of the name and blueblood status.

Iowa fans brag about beating (4-8) Nebraska teams all the time. To them it's an accomplishment, even though Troy beat the Huskers too.

 

[ralphiewvu]

They didn't have footprints in places like California, New Jersey, and Florida like Nebraska did.

Nothing has changed much in recruiting. The elite teams can recruit the blue chips nationally. Kids want to play where they have a chance to win conference and national titles. They also know those elite teams will give them exposure to get to the NFL.

Those teams were never gonna be nationally elite. They just wanted to be able to say they beat Nebraska once in a while and contend for the North Division title. It was more about Admin, Athletic Dept, Donors, and Fans.
i.e. Selling tickets and fundraising for those universities.

Even though Nebraska's been shit for 20 years, it's still a big deal to beat them just because of the name and blueblood status.

Iowa fans brag about beating (4-8) Nebraska teams all the time. To them it's an accomplishment, even though Troy beat the Huskers too.

But if those schools were recruiting Texas heavily, voting yes for time limits still gives the advantage to schools in Texas. It makes no sense for the schools I mentioned to do this. Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

 

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@ralphiewvu

See my points about tOSU on the last couple pages.

They can fill their roster with in-state talent better than any other team in the Big 10, but they only take appx 6 players from the state of Ohio. They don't recruit to win the Big 10, they recruit to be elite nationally. Big 10 CCG's are more easily attained when you're elite nationally.

 

[Red_Alert]

But if those schools were recruiting Texas heavily, voting yes for time limits still gives the advantage to schools in Texas. It makes no sense for the schools I mentioned to do this. Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

Yep. They just wanted to even the playing field against Nebraska. It worked.



Oklahoma and tejas still owned the conference because they were closer to the Texas recruiting grounds. When teams like Missouri would win the Big 12 North, they'd get their asses spanked against the Big 12 South Champs in the CCG.

Teams like Baylor and TTU got considerably better a few years after the ruling.

 

[Red_Alert]

Snyder (who was a damn good coach) had Kansas St competitive, but he was building his teams from in-state JUCO talent. Kansas has a lot of JUCO's. A lot of those JUCO players were from all around the country who didn't qualify academically to get recruited to an elite school.
A couple years in a JUCO school to get their academic credentials up and they could transfer to a university. Kansas JUCO's were a farm ground for Snyder.

A few years after the ruling (time for a recruiting cycle) Colorado and Missouri started competing for Big 12 North titles.

 

[Red_Alert]

CCG's

Oklahoma: 42
Colorado: 3

tejas: 70
Colorado: 3

Oklahoma: 38
Missouri: 17

Oklahoma: 62
Missouri: 21

It didn't matter to those North Division teams that they were gonna get spanked in the CCG by the South Division champ who had Texas recruiting grounds.
What mattered is that they could say they beat Nebraska and have a better chance at a Big 12 North trophy.

 

[ralphiewvu]

CCG's

Oklahoma: 42
Colorado: 3

tejas: 70
Colorado: 3

Oklahoma: 38
Missouri: 17

Oklahoma: 62
Missouri: 21

It didn't matter to those North Division teams that they were gonna get spanked in the CCG by the South Division champ who had Texas recruiting grounds.
What mattered is that they could say they beat Nebraska and have a better chance at a Big 12 North trophy.

That’s such a stupid freaking thing to do but to each their own I suppose.

 

[Red_Alert]

Snyder took the Kansas St (HC) job in 1989. It took him until 1998 to finally beat Nebraska. Two years into the new time limit rule.
Once they'd gotten the playing field leveled, KSU won 3 of the next 4 against Nebraska in 2002, 2003, and 2004.
Again... Snyder had a JUCO farm ground where Kansas St coaches didn't have to be out of the office much. He had a great recipe to counter the time limit rule that affected Big 12 North teams hugely.

 

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I'm unaware if that rule stayed in place once Nebraska was out of the picture in 2011.

I'm guessing not since the South teams (that it benefitted) had a 6-4 vote.

tejas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech, would have voted to keep the rule. (6)
Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa St, would have likely voted to toss it in the trash. (4)

A&M and Missouri left after 2011, but they added TCU and West Virginia in 2012, so the Southern teams still had a 6-4 vote to keep it.

tejas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, would have voted to keep the rule. (6)
Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa St, and WVU would have likely voted to toss it in the trash. (4)

That unequal (6-4) balance of voting power has stayed the same since 2012.

Now that tejas and Oklahoma are out of the picture in 2024 the rule could be tossed in the trash where it belongs. It would depend on the UCF vote.

Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston. (5)
Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa St, WVU, BYU, Cincinnati. (6)

UCF??????

UCF would be the only questionable vote since they're in the talent rich state of Florida where they don't have to travel far to recruit. Their roster is primarily Florida and Georgia (right next door) players. The rule would seemingly benefit them as much as it benefits the Texas teams.

If UCF opted to keep it, the vote would go 6-6 and not a majority to overturn the out-of-office time limit recruiting rule.

 

[Thiefery]

CCG's

Oklahoma: 42
Colorado: 3

tejas: 70
Colorado: 3

Oklahoma: 38
Missouri: 17

Oklahoma: 62
Missouri: 21

It didn't matter to those North Division teams that they were gonna get spanked in the CCG by the South Division champ who had Texas recruiting grounds.
What mattered is that they could say they beat Nebraska and have a better chance at a Big 12 North trophy.

Bro those teams were elite.. Colorado also beat UT in a stunner.. so did KSU beating ou like a season later

 

[Red_Alert]

Bro those teams were elite.. Colorado also beat UT in a stunner.. so did KSU beating ou like a season later

Bro the Big 12 South won the CCG 11 out of 15 times through 2010 when things finally fell apart.

Oklahoma: 7
tejas: 3
Tex A&M: 1

11 wins for the South Division

Nebraska: 2 (97, 99)
Colorado: 1 (2001)
Kansas St: 1 (2003)

4 wins for the North Division

The South Division won the next 7 straight (2004 - 2010).

Even after things fell apart and they renewed the Big 12 CCG in 2017 a Northern team only represented in the CCG twice.

South teams

Oklahoma: 4
Baylor: 2
TCU: 2
tejas: 1
Okie Jr: 1

10 times a South team represented.

North teams

Iowa St: 1 (2020 Lost)
Kansas St: 1 (2022 Won)

2 times a North team represented and only won 1 of the 6.

That recruiting time limit rule clearly was an advantage to the South teams and they knew it would be.

However, the North teams got what they wanted when they voted to pull the rug out from under Nebraska. They could say they were finally beating the Huskers.

 

[ELTEXAN]

Bro those teams were elite.. Colorado also beat UT in a stunner.. so did KSU beating ou like a season later

Do not ever reference Chris simms again. I will end thee.

 

[Thiefery]

Do not ever reference Chris simms again. I will end thee.

what was worse was that stupid freak play that knocked out El Ced early in the game.. If he didn't go down, I'm really confident that we would have won..

 

[ELTEXAN]

what was worse was that stupid freak play that knocked out El Ced early in the game.. If he didn't go down, I'm really confident that we would have won..

THAT ASSNUG HAD FOUR TURNOVERS IN ONE HALF!!!
WE HAD A RUN D, THE BEST WRs, & MAJOR APPLEWHITE. WE WOULD HAVE BEAT 2001 MIAMI !!! #pinkygate