Texas to use non profit charity to pay Offensive Linemen 50k a year

[ELTEXAN]

Not sure the "schools will find ways" but the boosters/alumni will damn sure find ways. Boosters/alumni were the ones who started this one at Texas.

And as long as there isn't an entity that has the teeth to police them, it'll be the wild, wild, west. Right now the only enforcement group(s) that I see are the Department of Labor, IRS, etc. The NCAA has been neutered in the NIL and other areas.

It will be the Wild West. And that’s why a new entity will emerge. Allow myself to quote myself…

What I’ve written on other threads:
My assumption is that because of status quo AND big monies’ hesitance to try new things AND no other entity being big enough to pull off anything new AND the NFL already enjoying a free minor league (cfb)…
That the top ~64-80 teams will form a de facto minor league:
- It’ll still be tied to colleges.
- The NCAA will not be involved. They wouldn’t bring anything to this new table.
- They will have rules for revenue sharing, media interaction, transfer protocols, player compensation, etc… just like any other for-profit sports league.
They will do this because of the threat of governmental involvement and to survive as a legitimate and viable sports league given the new environment.
Also, this should have happened decades ago.

 

[moxie]

Why don’t they pull the scholarships from the kids making money from NIL? They’re making money, they can afford to pay for their education and give that scholarship to someone that doesn’t have the same means and/or athletic talent.

 

[Deep Creek]

It will be the Wild West. And that’s why a new entity will emerge. Allow myself to quote myself…

You think 64-80 are wealthy enough to pull it off? I see a number more like 1/2 that size.

 

[fordman84]

Why don’t they pull the scholarships from the kids making money from NIL? They’re making money, they can afford to pay for their education and give that scholarship to someone that doesn’t have the same means and/or athletic talent.

I wonder when this will happen. It won't be punishment but there are ways around scholarship caps now. Of course there has to be at least the facade of "this is not the school, but a booster" that pays the non-scholly money but considering there is no real enforcement that shouldn't be difficult.

 

[Deep Creek]

I wonder when this will happen. It won't be punishment but there are ways around scholarship caps now. Of course there has to be at least the facade of "this is not the school, but a booster" that pays the non-scholly money but considering there is no real enforcement that shouldn't be difficult.

 

[fordman84]

You think 64-80 are wealthy enough to pull it off? I see a number more like 1/2 that size.

Is the question if they are wealthy enough to compete with Bama? If so I say no. Are they wealthy enough to compete in their own, for lack of better term with all the conference shuffling, "weight class" then yes. In the 64-80 range you only need one or two 4* players to really make a huge difference.

 

[Deep Creek]

Why don’t they pull the scholarships from the kids making money from NIL? They’re making money, they can afford to pay for their education and give that scholarship to someone that doesn’t have the same means and/or athletic talent.

Some probably will.

 

[moxie]

Some probably will.

Welcome to the real world where nothing is free

 

[ELTEXAN]

You think 64-80 are wealthy enough to pull it off? I see a number more like 1/2 that size.

It still has to get past the politicians. And we can factor in status quo momentum. 64 would be a good size.

 

[Deep Creek]

Is the question if they are wealthy enough to compete with Bama? If so I say no. Are they wealthy enough to compete in their own, for lack of better term with all the conference shuffling, "weight class" then yes. In the 64-80 range you only need one or two 4* players to really make a huge difference.

If his "semi pro" league idea is modeled after MLB, then I could see a farm system or "weight" class as you describe it with possibly even more than 80. AAA, AA and A in MLF. Like my Cardie Birds have in Memphis, Springfield, Palm Beach, Peoria.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

No. My metaphor works perfectly fine. The NCAA has forever limited the compensation of the principals, the players.
you trying to say that because they don’t limit the coaches, that’s somehow a justification to limit the players is outright sophistry. It’s laughable argumentation.

then you state that ‘amateurism’ is a feature of their model. Lol. Yes, a feature of their unethical model. Literally rejected by the SCOTUS as assanine argumentation (scroll and read earlier in the superthread)…

“Businesses like the NCAA cannot avoid the consequences of price-fixing labor by incorporating price-fixed labor into the definition of the product. Or to put it in more doctrinal terms, a monopsony cannot launder its price-fixing of labor by calling it product definition”

So basically what you are calling price fixing is nothing more than a bullshit argument to be able to pay players to play football. Hell, why not just bring back your old players that went pro. Its the same principle now. If the NCAA is neutered and rendered useless as an entity, then we will have a new pro league that will no longer give scholarships to students, it will render that model null and void and be paying its best players from past years to play. What you are seeking is the outright destruction of college football.

If you and people like you get your way, these kids wont have time to grow and become actual professional players because it will be next up to the highest bidder and the transfer portal will become a bidding war of top players. Only the ones with the deepest pockets will survive. The only issue is, if the University is making all the money, the coaches are making all the money, the players are making money, what do those big money boosters get for their hard earned cash? Do they get a share of the University pie? Will there be education included in these top players being brought in, or will the NCAA guidelines on education be gone as well. At what point do you start to see that none of this is good for college football? Hell, I have been against the increasing number of bowls. Back in my day, a Bowl was a reward for a good season, not a mediocre to average season.
What is happening to the sport we used to love and the sounds were unmistakable from a pro game, is now dissipating and turning into a big money contest where even players can make more than the Average person on the street. College is to educate students and prepare them for life after college, or atleast it used to be.

 

[ELTEXAN]

So basically what you are calling price fixing is nothing more than a bullshit argument to be able to pay players to play football. Hell, why not just bring back your old players that went pro. Its the same principle now. If the NCAA is neutered and rendered useless as an entity, then we will have a new pro league that will no longer give scholarships to students, it will render that model null and void and be paying its best players from past years to play. What you are seeking is the outright destruction of college football.

If you and people like you get your way, these kids wont have time to grow and become actual professional players because it will be next up to the highest bidder and the transfer portal will become a bidding war of top players. Only the ones with the deepest pockets will survive. The only issue is, if the University is making all the money, the coaches are making all the money, the players are making money, what do those big money boosters get for their hard earned cash? Do they get a share of the University pie? Will there be education included in these top players being brought in, or will the NCAA guidelines on education be gone as well. At what point do you start to see that none of this is good for college football? Hell, I have been against the increasing number of bowls. Back in my day, a Bowl was a reward for a good season, not a mediocre to average season.
What is happening to the sport we used to love and the sounds were unmistakable from a pro game, is now dissipating and turning into a big money contest where even players can make more than the Average person on the street. College is to educate students and prepare them for life after college, or atleast it used to be.

Just insert any other industry into your sophistry above. You’d laugh aloud.

 

[ELTEXAN]

So basically what you are calling price fixing is nothing more than a bullshit argument to be able to pay players to play football. Hell, why not just bring back your old players that went pro. Its the same principle now. If the NCAA is neutered and rendered useless as an entity, then we will have a new pro league that will no longer give scholarships to students, it will render that model null and void and be paying its best players from past years to play. What you are seeking is the outright destruction of college football.

If you and people like you get your way, these kids wont have time to grow and become actual professional players because it will be next up to the highest bidder and the transfer portal will become a bidding war of top players. Only the ones with the deepest pockets will survive. The only issue is, if the University is making all the money, the coaches are making all the money, the players are making money, what do those big money boosters get for their hard earned cash? Do they get a share of the University pie? Will there be education included in these top players being brought in, or will the NCAA guidelines on education be gone as well. At what point do you start to see that none of this is good for college football? Hell, I have been against the increasing number of bowls. Back in my day, a Bowl was a reward for a good season, not a mediocre to average season.
What is happening to the sport we used to love and the sounds were unmistakable from a pro game, is now dissipating and turning into a big money contest where even players can make more than the Average person on the street. College is to educate students and prepare them for life after college, or atleast it used to be.

Yes. Some entity will arise. It can’t be the Wild west. That’s unsustainable. That’s no excuse to continue a monopsony that keeps principals in a multi-billion dollar industry from negotiating for proper compensation

further, the only reason why you’re bemoaning the current few-months state of things is because it’s an outcome from the FOREVER unethical unamerican way things were.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

Just insert any other industry into your sophistry above. You’d laugh aloud.

Industries hire employee's. Your idea that these students are employees is absurd to the level of stupidity. Again, if you pay someone to do something, they are either an employee, or a professional athlete. If you pay these linemen money to play the game from a charity, then clearly they will be paid employees and will no longer be amateur players. Its a simple thought process that you are convoluting with a bullshit argument to get around the fact that your Universities boosters will be slush funding money to kids to get them to play for the University.

 

[ELTEXAN]

Industries hire employee's. Your idea that these students are employees is absurd to the level of stupidity. Again, if you pay someone to do something, they are either an employee, or a professional athlete. If you pay these linemen money to play the game from a charity, then clearly they will be paid employees and will no longer be amateur players. Its a simple thought process that you are convoluting with a bullshit argument to get around the fact that your Universities boosters will be slush funding money to kids to get them to play for the University.

It’s out in the open. I don’t know what point you’re attempting to make here.
My point is that the entire system should be geared to where the principals get paid and the league is sustainable. Like all other for profit endeavors.
I’ve said that exact thing on these forums, the previous hoopla forums, and before then on the ESPN forums since 1999.

There is no profit industry where It’s acceptable ethically to prevent the principals from negotiating for and enoying compensation.

Paying Players Superthread

There is nothing ‘amateur’ about college football (except you wanting to call it that). It’s a multi-billion dollar industry where the schools, athletic departments, coaches, vendors, tv stations, merchandisers, etc all make millions upon millions. The principals, the players actually doing the...

hooplanation.com

 

[BandwagonBo2]

Yes. Some entity will arise. It can’t be the Wild west. That’s unsustainable. That’s no excuse to continue a monopsony that keeps principals in a multi-billion dollar industry from negotiating for proper compensation

further, the only reason why you’re bemoaning the current few-months state of things is because it’s an outcome from the FOREVER unethical unamerican way things were.

Wow, imagine that. Someone wanting to see Amateur sports remain amateur sports. My god, the fucking horror of this all. Imagine the headlines in five years, " Top QB in college football makes $15 million per season, he decides to skip his pro career since he can make that much in college football". If you want to see pro football, we have that already. If you want to watch college football, why do you want to make it a pro league? How much do you intend on paying the band members? Or the college basketball players, or track stars, or etc, etc... You do get that this wont end well and a once amateur sport that we all loved will be ruined, all because someone dared to open Pandora's box. It is sad, and I can see this being a bad thing, when you apparently think the highest bidder type situation is going to work out best for your University. Dont be shocked if that doesnt happen for you.

 

[ELTEXAN]

Wow, imagine that. Someone wanting to see Amateur sports remain amateur sports. My god, the fucking horror of this all. Imagine the headlines in five years, " Top QB in college football makes $15 million per season, he decides to skip his pro career since he can make that much in college football". If you want to see pro football, we have that already. If you want to watch college football, why do you want to make it a pro league? How much do you intend on paying the band members? Or the college basketball players, or track stars, or etc, etc... You do get that this wont end well and a once amateur sport that we all loved will be ruined, all because someone dared to open Pandora's box. It is sad, and I can see this being a bad thing, when you apparently think the highest bidder type situation is going to work out best for your University. Dont be shocked if that doesnt happen for you.

It’s not amateur in any way except you wanting to use that word. It’s a multi billion dollar industry.

definitely going to be different. And probably lose some things we like and enjoy. One of the things we’ll lose is indentured servitude.
principals in a multi billion dollar industry not being able to negotiate for and enjoy compensation is wholly unethical, the consequences of change notwithstanding

 

[BandwagonBo2]

It’s out in the open. I don’t know what point you’re attempting to make here.
My point is that the entire system should be geared to where the principals get paid and the league is sustainable. Like all other for profit endeavors.
I’ve said that exact thing on these forums, the previous hoopla forums, and before then on the ESPN forums since 1999.

There is no profit industry where It’s acceptable ethically to prevent the principals from negotiating for and enoying compensation.

Paying Players Superthread

There is nothing ‘amateur’ about college football (except you wanting to call it that). It’s a multi-billion dollar industry where the schools, athletic departments, coaches, vendors, tv stations, merchandisers, etc all make millions upon millions. The principals, the players actually doing the...

hooplanation.com

And lets venture down that avenue a bit. These college players get plenty of money sent their way for accepting a scholarship. Per diem when on the road, swag bags, cash for living expenses, scholarships worth big ass money, living quarters, free room and board, all utilities included, and countless other monetary perks that the University can legally give, including medical, dental, counseling services, the list could go on and on. Yet you dont think this is compensation? Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me, yet you think they deserve to be paid now. To pay a player for their services on the filed makes it a professional sport. Its the very definition "Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance." Once you go down a rabbit hole, you are stuck.

 

[ELTEXAN]

And lets venture down that avenue a bit. These college players get plenty of money sent their way for accepting a scholarship. Per diem when on the road, swag bags, cash for living expenses, scholarships worth big ass money, living quarters, free room and board, all utilities included, and countless other monetary perks that the University can legally give, including medical, dental, counseling services, the list could go on and on. Yet you dont think this is compensation? Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me, yet you think they deserve to be paid now. To pay a player for their services on the filed makes it a professional sport. Its the very definition "Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance." Once you go down a rabbit hole, you are stuck.

I didn’t say scholarships wasn’t compensation. You wouldn’t accept others dictating to you your compensation in any monopsony or monopoly, no matter how nice some 3rd party random people thought that compensation to be. Your entire argument there is invalid.

your second argument of:
“can’t pay them because theyre amateurs. And why are they amateurs?
well, because we don’t Pay them”
… is so laughably tautological (circular logic) that I can’t believe you remember to breathe.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

It’s not amateur in any way except you wanting to use that word. It’s a multi billion dollar industry.

definitely going to be different. And probably lose some things we like and enjoy. One of the things we’ll lose is indentured servitude.
principals in a multi billion dollar industry not being able to negotiate for and enjoy compensation is wholly unethical, the consequences of change notwithstanding

Something else you'll lose is education beyond high school. If you do this, these kids wont need to go to classes because they will negotiate a deal that allows them not to do so. And you'll see kids come out of high school, go to the University of their choosing for big money, and become a bust like happens every year. And then that kid is out his big money deal, no place to play, no education, and wondering why McDonalds doesnt pay thousands of dollars to sign on and a monthly pay of $50K. Yes, what you are speaking of is never going to sit well and will bankrupt some Universities trying to keep up with the big money boosters at a few schools. Essentially you'll see nothing but pro sports at different levels.