Texas to use non profit charity to pay Offensive Linemen 50k a year

Something else you'll lose is education beyond high school. If you do this, these kids wont need to go to classes because they will negotiate a deal that allows them not to do so. And you'll see kids come out of high school, go to the University of their choosing for big money, and become a bust like happens every year. And then that kid is out his big money deal, no place to play, no education, and wondering why McDonalds doesnt pay thousands of dollars to sign on and a monthly pay of $50K. Yes, what you are speaking of is never going to sit well and will bankrupt some Universities trying to keep up with the big money boosters at a few schools. Essentially you'll see nothing but pro sports at different levels.
That might be true. It might be that football gets uncoupled from the colleges or that it’ll be like baseball where the very best go to a different league.
None of those consequences compare ethically to continuing an indentured servitude league where we laughable call ‘amateurs’ the principals in a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR industry.
 
I didn’t say scholarships wasn’t compensation. You wouldn’t accept others dictating to you your compensation in any monopsony or monopoly, no matter how nice some 3rd party random people thought that compensation to be. Your entire argument there is invalid.

your second argument of:
“can’t pay them because theyre amateurs. And why are they amateurs?
well, because we don’t Pay them”
… is so laughably tautological (circular logic) that I can’t believe you remember to breathe.
They are amateurs because they have never been payed to play that sport or any sport. Its not circular, it starts at Amateur status and progresses. The fact you think i was making a circular logic argument shows how detached you are.

I didnt like the NIL idea, but it seems to have been ok in its initial workings, so far. But what you are suggesting is compensation for playing, which negates the very meaning of amateur sports and makes these kids professional players. Some of these kids are barely able to play college ball at a decent to high level, and you want to pay them and negate the amateur status? It astounds me how they let you walk around without a helmet and your cheer jersey on.
 
They are amateurs because they have never been payed to play that sport or any sport. Its not circular, it starts at Amateur status and progresses. The fact you think i was making a circular logic argument shows how detached you are.

I didnt like the NIL idea, but it seems to have been ok in its initial workings, so far. But what you are suggesting is compensation for playing, which negates the very meaning of amateur sports and makes these kids professional players. Some of these kids are barely able to play college ball at a decent to high level, and you want to pay them and negate the amateur status? It astounds me how they let you walk around without a helmet and your cheer jersey on.
Lmao.
“They’re amateurs because we don’t pay them.
so pay them.
No.
Why not?
Because they’re amateurs”

Astounding
 
That might be true. It might be that football gets uncoupled from the colleges or that it’ll be like baseball where the very best go to a different league.
None of those consequences compare ethically to continuing an indentured servitude league where we laughable call ‘amateurs’ the principals in a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR industry.
And you keep using the indentured servitude line, but that does not fit college sports in its entirety. Indentured servants could be sold, loaned, or inherited, at least during the duration of their contract terms. This is not college football, so that simply does not fit. Kids are free to leave a University at any time and forego the remainder of their eligibility at that University. They cannot be sold, or loaned to another University. They cannot be bought by anyone else with more money. That logic is flawed from the very definition.
 
Lmao.
“They’re amateurs because we don’t pay them.
so pay them.
No.
Why not?
Because they’re amateurs”

Astounding
What is an amateur sports league? How do you define it? How do you define an amateur sport player?
Go ahead, lets see if you can get this correct. Its only been told to you a number of times in this thread alone, and its not circular as you suggest.
 
What is an amateur sports league? How do you define it? How do you define an amateur sport player?
Go ahead, lets see if you can get this correct. Its only been told to you a number of times in this thread alone, and its not circular as you suggest.
Amateur leagues are leagues for fun or fitness or whatever. Sometimes they sell tshirts and sodas to cover the cost of running the league, paying umps, paying the landscaper to keep the infield mowed etc.
It’s not MULTI MULTI BILLIONS for profit over the schools, coaches, admins, retailers, merchandisers, broadcasters, advertisers, etc etc etc.
MULTI BILLIONS for everyone except the actual principals doing the thing.

Your uncle’s slow pitch summer softball drinking league is amateur; not cfb.
 
College football is evolving into a great big circle jerk.
 
So basically what you are calling price fixing is nothing more than a bullshit argument to be able to pay players to play football. Hell, why not just bring back your old players that went pro. Its the same principle now. If the NCAA is neutered and rendered useless as an entity, then we will have a new pro league that will no longer give scholarships to students, it will render that model null and void and be paying its best players from past years to play. What you are seeking is the outright destruction of college football.

If you and people like you get your way, these kids wont have time to grow and become actual professional players because it will be next up to the highest bidder and the transfer portal will become a bidding war of top players. Only the ones with the deepest pockets will survive. The only issue is, if the University is making all the money, the coaches are making all the money, the players are making money, what do those big money boosters get for their hard earned cash? Do they get a share of the University pie? Will there be education included in these top players being brought in, or will the NCAA guidelines on education be gone as well. At what point do you start to see that none of this is good for college football? Hell, I have been against the increasing number of bowls. Back in my day, a Bowl was a reward for a good season, not a mediocre to average season.
What is happening to the sport we used to love and the sounds were unmistakable from a pro game, is now dissipating and turning into a big money contest where even players can make more than the Average person on the street. College is to educate students and prepare them for life after college, or atleast it used to be.
I'll stick to HS football if this happens.
 
Amateur leagues are leagues for fun or fitness or whatever. Sometimes they sell tshirts and sodas to cover the cost of running the league, paying umps, paying the landscaper to keep the infield mowed etc.
It’s not MULTI MULTI BILLIONS for profit over the schools, coaches, admins, retailers, merchandisers, broadcasters, advertisers, etc etc etc.
MULTI BILLIONS for everyone except the actual principals doing the thing.

Your uncle’s slow pitch summer softball drinking league is amateur; not cfb.
Do you think the Universities are being paid billions upon billions? Yes, money is changing hands. Why do you think that ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS and others are bidding to host these game, and why do you think you have to sit though a commercial break each time you watch a game. To pay for the rights to show you that game on live television. Its not free, and its not pay per view either, which might be coming if your idea gets put into use. The SEC will have its own television deal, and will make every game they show PPV and if you cant afford it, who fucking cares because someone will be able to. All because you felt like a kid should be paid to play an amateur sport. They were already being compensated with a shit ton of compensation, but you wanted to pay them to play, making it a pro sport.

I wont go into how the money chain works because if you are intelligent enough to see that money is changing hands and you dont have to pay to watch those games, then clearly you should be intelligent enough to know that these Universities are not making big money off these kids over the long haul. You factor in refreshing facilities once every few years, factor in adding on to stadiums, and upgrading even the smallest of facilities to entice a kid and many other forms of every day minutia that you dont see, because all you see if the five star athlete who got $250K dollars worth of compensation thrown at him simply because he might be a star player(its never guaranteed) that is not being paid to play the game.

The NIL was so kids could cash in on their name, image or likeness, not their playing time. What you are suggesting is paying kids to play, which makes them a professional player.
 
Literally go fuck your own face.
This guy is a major moron. My guess is he sits in his cheer jersey looking for ideas to ruin college sports because his team cant find ways to be relevant anymore. This will further cause him issues as that booster pool will dry up if they are not getting a piece of that money coming in.
 
Do you think the Universities are being paid billions upon billions? Yes, money is changing hands. Why do you think that ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS and others are bidding to host these game, and why do you think you have to sit though a commercial break each time you watch a game. To pay for the rights to show you that game on live television. Its not free, and its not pay per view either, which might be coming if your idea gets put into use. The SEC will have its own television deal, and will make every game they show PPV and if you cant afford it, who fucking cares because someone will be able to. All because you felt like a kid should be paid to play an amateur sport. They were already being compensated with a shit ton of compensation, but you wanted to pay them to play, making it a pro sport.

I wont go into how the money chain works because if you are intelligent enough to see that money is changing hands and you dont have to pay to watch those games, then clearly you should be intelligent enough to know that these Universities are not making big money off these kids over the long haul. You factor in refreshing facilities once every few years, factor in adding on to stadiums, and upgrading even the smallest of facilities to entice a kid and many other forms of every day minutia that you dont see, because all you see if the five star athlete who got $250K dollars worth of compensation thrown at him simply because he might be a star player(its never guaranteed) that is not being paid to play the game.

The NIL was so kids could cash in on their name, image or likeness, not their playing time. What you are suggesting is paying kids to play, which makes them a professional player.
You’re argument to me is that there are billions of dollars being exchanged? Ummm. That’s my argument. Are you having a stroke?

you can keep setting up straw man and specious arguments, but it’s not going to help you.

This multi billion dollar industry has for Decades kept the principals from negotiating for and enjoying compensation. That’s clearly unethical immoral unamerican
 
You’re argument to me is that there are billions of dollars being exchanged? Ummm. That’s my argument. Are you having a stroke?

you can keep setting up straw man and specious arguments, but it’s not going to help you.

This multi billion dollar industry has for Decades kept the principals from negotiating for and enjoying compensation. That’s clearly unethical immoral unamerican
But you are wrong, they have not kept the principals from negotiating compensation. The very nature of a scholarship is compensation. They are providing a service to the University for their free education that would cost you or I hundreds of thousands of dollars if we got the same perks football players did. That is a compensation package that is negotiated. and here is the kicker, if that person is injured on the job, that University is on the hook for that education no matter if they can play again or not. Same package, same deal, just under a medical compensation package at that point. The very nature of a scholarship is a deal between you and the University that is a form of compensation, and it can be broken by the player at any time they choose without a request for recompense from the University. Furthermore, the University is making a substantial investment in your work environment on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. They provide you with a laundry list of compensation items that is all part of your scholarship deal. Your very comment on indentured servants is negated by the fact these players cannot be sold, traded, bought by another team. The contract between the student and the University can be terminated, but it must be done so by the Student unless a situation arises that negates the terms of the contract based upon the wording of said students responsibility to that University. Indentured servants they are not.
 
But you are wrong, they have not kept the principals from negotiating compensation. The very nature of a scholarship is compensation. They are providing a service to the University for their free education that would cost you or I hundreds of thousands of dollars if we got the same perks football players did. That is a compensation package that is negotiated. and here is the kicker, if that person is injured on the job, that University is on the hook for that education no matter if they can play again or not. Same package, same deal, just under a medical compensation package at that point. The very nature of a scholarship is a deal between you and the University that is a form of compensation, and it can be broken by the player at any time they choose without a request for recompense from the University. Furthermore, the University is making a substantial investment in your work environment on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. They provide you with a laundry list of compensation items that is all part of your scholarship deal. Your very comment on indentured servants is negated by the fact these players cannot be sold, traded, bought by another team. The contract between the student and the University can be terminated, but it must be done so by the Student unless a situation arises that negates the terms of the contract based upon the wording of said students responsibility to that University. Indentured servants they are not.
I don’t think you know what the word negotiated means.
a single buyer (under ncaa monopsony)) setting the compensation is not negotiating. You can’t just come on here and use very common words incorrectly.

your entire post above is just wrong because you don’t know the basic meaning of the thing you purport to argue.

Again, no matter what you or I think of the compensation, scholarship, …nor what you or I think the players deserve, …principals in a multi billion dollar enterprise deserve to enjoy and negotiate for their compensation. Always. Otherwise would be unethical, illegal, immoral, unamerican. Every time.
 
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I don’t think you know what the word negotiated means.
a single buyer (under ncaa monopsony)) setting the compensation is not negotiating. You can’t just come on here and use very common words incorrectly.

your entire post above is just wrong because you don’t know the basic meaning of the thing you purport to argue.

Again, no matter what you or I think of the compensation, scholarship, not what you or I think the players deserve, principals in a multi billion dollar enterprise deserve to enjoy and negotiate for their compensation. Always. Otherwise would be unethical, illegal, immoral, unamerican. Every time.
the industry that is billions of dollars does not extend down to the University levels in many cases. This is why you keep failing to see the truth behind this. And that compensation package that is in place is not one size fits all in all cases. Yes, they do have standard packages, but I have heard of special compensation based upon less needs by the student such as off campus housing and the like. Its not always one size fits all.

The fact you think these Universities are making a shit ton of cash is laughable at best. yes, they might make money for deals in place, but the operating expenses and all university costs associated with that sport or entire sports department can eat money up in a hurry. add in many of these are state Universities and it gets even murkier.
 
Do you think the Universities are being paid billions upon billions? Yes, money is changing hands. Why do you think that ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS and others are bidding to host these game, and why do you think you have to sit though a commercial break each time you watch a game. To pay for the rights to show you that game on live television. Its not free, and its not pay per view either, which might be coming if your idea gets put into use. The SEC will have its own television deal, and will make every game they show PPV and if you cant afford it, who fucking cares because someone will be able to. All because you felt like a kid should be paid to play an amateur sport. They were already being compensated with a shit ton of compensation, but you wanted to pay them to play, making it a pro sport.

I wont go into how the money chain works because if you are intelligent enough to see that money is changing hands and you dont have to pay to watch those games, then clearly you should be intelligent enough to know that these Universities are not making big money off these kids over the long haul. You factor in refreshing facilities once every few years, factor in adding on to stadiums, and upgrading even the smallest of facilities to entice a kid and many other forms of every day minutia that you dont see, because all you see if the five star athlete who got $250K dollars worth of compensation thrown at him simply because he might be a star player(its never guaranteed) that is not being paid to play the game.

The NIL was so kids could cash in on their name, image or likeness, not their playing time. What you are suggesting is paying kids to play, which makes them a professional player.
Save your energy. You know what's going on here with all this "charity" stuff? Texas believes they can use their financial power to buy/spend/manipulate their way back to the top. I've talked to Texas fans who work in our organization and they give one example after another where Texas will now have an advantage over everyone else because they're richer than 6" up a bull's ass. They are elated that Texas will be able to buy coaches, players, anything to get on a level the rest of us can only envy. Coaches making 8-9 figures and players making 6-7 figures are the future!! Common sense and long term consequences are irrelevant. Maybe they're right. But I doubt it because I can picture how the rest of college football will eventually react.
 
jeez man.. just watch the interview with one of the guys that put this deal together

 
Why don’t they pull the scholarships from the kids making money from NIL? They’re making money, they can afford to pay for their education and give that scholarship to someone that doesn’t have the same means and/or athletic talent.
Why would they do that? Scholarships have NOTHING to do with NIL money. Are the schools sharing the TV contracts or stadium revenue with the players like the NFL or NBA does? Last time I checked, no.
 
Save your energy. You know what's going on here with all this "charity" stuff? Texas believes they can use their financial power to buy/spend/manipulate their way back to the top. I've talked to Texas fans who work in our organization and they give one example after another where Texas will now have an advantage over everyone else because they're richer than 6" up a bull's ass. They are elated that Texas will be able to buy coaches, players, anything to get on a level the rest of us can only envy. Coaches making 8-9 figures and players making 6-7 figures are the future!! Common sense and long term consequences are irrelevant. Maybe they're right. But I doubt it because I can picture how the rest of college football will eventually react.
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