The annual postseason top 10 coaches in the country list

[Illustrious Potentate]

Yes they do....their talent just has a higher starting point than most of the others do.

And you are correct. The road is scattered with coaches that don't develop talent very well.

Kirby has developed at least 3 3 star afterthoughts into first round picks(Deandre Baker, Erik Stokes and Jordan Davis)

The QB that won back to back natties was a former walk on and the top two receivers were both 3 stars, one was a no star until UGA offered him.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

That's the point I've been trying to make. Many seem to think it is not an advantage at all...much less a huge one.

Nobody is disputing that, you’re acting like it’s the end all be all and that Kirby and Saban wouldn’t improve the recruiting classes of any school they went to immediately

Put it this way, UGA lost 15 players to the draft, another 13 to the portal and added zero from the portal and still won the natty. Call it what you want, but that’s a hell of a coaching job IMo

 

[fishinabarrel]

That's the point I've been trying to make. Many seem to think it is not an advantage at all...much less a huge one.

Its a crazy advantage but it's not as easy as "well stock any coach at Ohio State, Georgia, or Alabama and he will recruit like that" either like some want to make it out as

 

[Deep Creek]

Nobody is disputing that, you’re acting like it’s the end all be all and that Kirby and Saban wouldn’t improve the recruiting classes of any school they went to immediately

Put it this way, UGA lost 15 players to the draft, another 13 to the portal and added zero from the portal and still won the natty. Call it what you want, but that’s a hell of a coaching job IMo

Nooooooooooooo, I'm "acting like" Kirby and Saban wouldn't be able to recruit the same level of talent at places like Cal and Iowa State than they do at Georgia and Alabama. I'm in agreement that the recruiting classes would be better at those places if they were at places like those, but they still wouldn't be to the same level they are at Georgia and Alabama.

 

[Deep Creek]

Its a crazy advantage but it's not as easy as "well stock any coach at Ohio State, Georgia, or Alabama and he will recruit like that" either like some want to make it out as

Didn't say that. Still a lot easier to recruit to the Ohio States of the world than to the Texas Techs of the world.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Nooooooooooooo, I'm "acting like" Kirby and Saban wouldn't be able to recruit the same level of talent at places like Cal and Iowa State than they do at Georgia and Alabama. I'm in agreement that the recruiting classes would be better at those places if they were at places like those, but they still wouldn't be to the same level they are at Georgia and Alabama.

And who said they would be?

 

[fishinabarrel]

Didn't say that. Still a lot easier to recruit to the Ohio States of the world than to the Texas Techs of the world.

Yep. Certain colleges will recruit themselves into the top 10-15 pretty much by themselves. The right coach and staff is what push it to the top 1-5.

No coach is getting a school like Texas Tech, Michigan State, Cal, etc into the top 5 without a whole lot of sustained and major success first (Clemson like)

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

r

Georgia has been producing a ton of football talent my entire life.

Kirby keeps more talent at home is the answer, and he recruits nationally

Not that hard of a concept, but I’m not surprised a Michigan fan is struggling with it

As I already stated -- those schools in states with a ton of blue chip talent know very little about actual recruiting, because they think it is the norm to have 30,40,50 blue chip recruits a year in state. Then they want to talk about how good their coach is at recruiting. Newsflash -- if you put Kirby Smart in a state with little to no talent, he'd struggle to get a top 25 recruiting class. And the reason he can recruit nationally like he can at Georgia -- it is because all the 5 star, top 50, top 100 recruits from Georgia they sign from their backyard, they are recruiting guys at every camp they go to. Life is WAY easier when you have a built in advantage in your backyard and SO MANY blue chip recruits, you can hand pick which one's you want and don't want. The top players want to play with the other top players. It is that simple.

Here is an exert that explains how Georgia has changed just from 2000 until today. They have between 250% to 350% more top 100 recruits A YEAR in just that short time period. That's what 2.5 million more residents will do to a football hot bed state.

Georgia now produces more top 100 recruits than Florida and California, all while having exactly one major P5 program who can pick and choose who they want, as these kids are all growing up as Georgia fans and watching Georgia on TV.

So yes, it is impressive for Kirby Smart to win back to back championships, but what Sonny Dykes did at TCU is more impressive coaching than what Kirby Smart did. Kirby Smart had the most talented roster in all of CFB.

From 2000 to 2004, the state of Georgia produced a total of 25 top-100 recruits across those five recruiting classes, per 247Sports.

In 2020 alone, the state had a national-best 15 top-100 recruits.

As of the current 247Sports Composite rankings, there are 12 top-100 prospects from Georgia in the 2021 recruiting class – second only to the state of Texas, which has 15 – and the Bulldogs have received commitments from the top three in-state recruits and seven of the top 12.

Georgia is a state that used to be a peer of Alabama, Louisiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, in terms of the number of top-100 recruits it produced on an annual basis, but it has recently joined the exclusive recruiting neighborhood that was previously limited to California, Florida and Texas.

Not just anyone can enter that neighborhood, but Georgia has made a rare leap, as shown in the line graph below. Georgia has now outpaced both Florida and California in the number of top-100 recruits that each state has produced in both the 2020 and 2021 recruiting classes, after Georgia had a lower output than Pennsylvania and Louisiana in 2001.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

r

As I already stated -- those schools in states with a ton of blue chip talent know very little about actual recruiting, because they think it is the norm to have 30,40,50 blue chip recruits a year in state. Then they want to talk about how good their coach is at recruiting. Newsflash -- if you put Kirby Smart in a state with little to no talent, he'd struggle to get a top 25 recruiting class. And the reason he can recruit nationally like he can at Georgia -- it is because all the 5 star, top 50, top 100 recruits from Georgia they sign from their backyard, they are recruiting guys at every camp they go to. Life is WAY easier when you have a built in advantage in your backyard and SO MANY blue chip recruits, you can hand pick which one's you want and don't want. The top players want to play with the other top players. It is that simple.

Here is an exert that explains how Georgia has changed just from 2000 until today. They have between 250% to 350% more top 100 recruits A YEAR in just that short time period. That's what 2.5 million more residents will do to a football hot bed state.

Georgia now produces more top 100 recruits than Florida and California, all while having exactly one major P5 program who can pick and choose who they want, as these kids are all growing up as Georgia fans and watching Georgia on TV.

So yes, it is impressive for Kirby Smart to win back to back championships, but what Sonny Dykes did at TCU is more impressive coaching than what Kirby Smart did. Kirby Smart had the most talented roster in all of CFB.

Georgia has always produced talent, Georgia has always bordered Florida, which produces talent.

Kirby Smart coming off an 8-5 first season landed the best recruiting class in program history by a wide margin at the time. What was Richt’s excuse towards the end?

You can write novels and repeat yourself all you want, but fact remains if you put Saban or Kirby at any school in the country(other than the other premiere programs) and in year one, they’ll land the best recruiting class in that program’s history.

UGA wasn’t at a disadvantage, but IMO, repeating after losing 15 players to the draft, losing 13 to the portal and adding zero through the portal is pretty good coaching. Add in the 3 star afterthoughts he turns into major contributors, and you have a damn good coach

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Its a crazy advantage but it's not as easy as "well stock any coach at Ohio State, Georgia, or Alabama and he will recruit like that" either like some want to make it out as

It is an ENORMOUS advantage. And..........yes, you can pretty much plug in any number of head coaches in those jobs and they'd still pull in top 5 or top 10 recruiting classes. The only coach at Michigan who didn't pull in top 10, top 20 classes was Rich Rod and it was by choice, as he recruited guys he felt fit his offense and defense. Brady Hoke had two top 5 recruiting classes at Michigan when he had zero P5 coaching experience.

The top school can offer the kids luxuries the other schools cannot. To think coaches like Saban or Smart would go to a school with a budget that is much less than the schools they are at, offer less amenities, and have little to no in state talent and they'd pull in top 5 recruiting classes is crazy talk. It just wouldn't happen. They may take a team who has a top 30 recruiting classes and have them in the top 25, but you will not see a team in the top 5 recruiting consistently unless they have a backyard filled with blue chip recruits.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Georgia has always produced talent, Georgia has always bordered Florida, which produces talent.

Kirby Smart coming off an 8-5 first season landed the best recruiting class in program history by a wide margin at the time. What was Richt’s excuse towards the end?

You can write novels and repeat yourself all you want, but fact remains if you put Saban or Kirby at any school in the country(other than the other premiere programs) and in year one, they’ll land the best recruiting class in that program’s history.

UGA wasn’t at a disadvantage, but IMO, repeating after losing 15 players to the draft, losing 13 to the portal and adding zero through the portal is pretty good coaching. Add in the 3 star afterthoughts he turns into major contributors, and you have a damn good coach

Producing 3 or 4 top 100 recruits a year to today where you are producing 12-15 top 100 recruits a year -- it took Georgia to a completely different level.

And teams like Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. -- they can lose a dozen guys to the draft and have a slew of 5 star recruits waiting in the wings to take over. The QB position is the toughest position to replace from year to year -- the rest of the positions can be almost interchangeable, especially with the recruiting classes those teams bring in each year.

And Saban was at MSU -- he turned a .500 team into a .500 team after 4 years. Then he had a year where the bounces went his way, won 9 games and left in the middle of the night to go to a school in a state with a ton of talent.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Producing 3 or 4 top 100 recruits a year to today where you are producing 12-15 top 100 recruits a year -- it took Georgia to a completely different level.

And teams like Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. -- they can lose a dozen guys to the draft and have a slew of 5 star recruits waiting in the wings to take over. The QB position is the toughest position to replace from year to year -- the rest of the positions can be almost interchangeable, especially with the recruiting classes those teams bring in each year.

And Saban was at MSU -- he turned a .500 team into a .500 team after 4 years. Then he had a year where the bounces went his way, won 9 games and left in the middle of the night to go to a school in a state with a ton of talent.

And Georgia has always produced talent and so has Florida, and again, what was Richt’s excuse towards the end?

And you know that second ranked 2023 UGA class? There’s only 4 out of 26 recruits from Georgia in it, because you know, Kirby recruits nationally

And Saban and Kirby leaving for Iowa State and Kansas State now after they’ve established championship and NFL producing reputations is gonna be a major boost to both schools recruiting classes, but using Saban at Mich State before he established himself as an all time great doesn’t work.

Yes, it’s easier to recruit in certain places, but if you can’t recruit nationally, and if you can’t develop, you’re not gonna win shit

 

[fishinabarrel]

It is an ENORMOUS advantage. And..........yes, you can pretty much plug in any number of head coaches in those jobs and they'd still pull in top 5 or top 10 recruiting classes. The only coach at Michigan who didn't pull in top 10, top 20 classes was Rich Rod and it was by choice, as he recruited guys he felt fit his offense and defense. Brady Hoke had two top 5 recruiting classes at Michigan when he had zero P5 coaching experience.

The top school can offer the kids luxuries the other schools cannot. To think coaches like Saban or Smart would go to a school with a budget that is much less than the schools they are at, offer less amenities, and have little to no in state talent and they'd pull in top 5 recruiting classes is crazy talk. It just wouldn't happen. They may take a team who has a top 30 recruiting classes and have them in the top 25, but you will not see a team in the top 5 recruiting consistently unless they have a backyard filled with blue chip recruits.

In his four years Hoke pulled in a class in the 30s, then his 6 and 4, then back up in the 20s.

No one recruited at Bama like Saban.

No one recruited at Ohio State like Meyer and now Day. Cooper came close.

It's ignorant to say "just put any coach in there and they can do the same"

They may pull in a top 10 class here and there but these guys have been consistently top 5 over and over

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

And Georgia has always produced talent and so has Florida, and again, what was Richt’s excuse towards the end?

And you know that second ranked 2023 UGA class? There’s only 4 out of 26 recruits from Georgia in it, because you know, Kirby recruits nationally

And Saban and Kirby leaving for Iowa State and Kansas State now after they’ve established championship and NFL producing reputations is gonna be a major boost to both schools recruiting classes, but using Saban at Mich State before he established himself as an all time great doesn’t work.

Yes, it’s easier to recruit in certain places, but if you can’t recruit nationally, and if you can’t develop, you’re not gonna win shit

If you don't have the blue chip recruits in your backyard -- you aren't going to have a top 5 recruiting class and it will be extremely tough to get to the top 10. And you had 5 guys from Georgia in your 2023 class -- that's essentially 20% of your recruiting class from your backyard. And 14 of the 26 are from Georgia and the state you border (Florida). So yes -- LOCATION.

It is why I've said Nebraska is the one team who will have the toughest battle to compete nationally in today's CFB, because they don't have any in state talent and they don't have any blue chip talent in surrounding states. So they truly have to recruit nationally and they have the biggest disadvantage of any of the national brand programs.

If Kirby went to Iowa State -- his state now borders Wisconsin, South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, who if you added all of their blue chip recruits combined, I'd bet it would be less than 5.

 

[fishinabarrel]

And Saban was at MSU -- he turned a .500 team into a .500 team after 4 years. Then he had a year where the bounces went his way, won 9 games and left in the middle of the night to go to a school in a state with a ton of talent.

Very transparent of you to forget to mention Michigan State was under sanctions from the previous coaching staff when Saban was there

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

If you don't have the blue chip recruits in your backyard -- you aren't going to have a top 5 recruiting class and it will be extremely tough to get to the top 10. And you had 5 guys from Georgia in your 2023 class -- that's essentially 20% of your recruiting class from your backyard. And 14 of the 26 are from Georgia and the state you border (Florida). So yes -- LOCATION.

It is why I've said Nebraska is the one team who will have the toughest battle to compete nationally in today's CFB, because they don't have any in state talent and they don't have any blue chip talent in surrounding states. So they truly have to recruit nationally and they have the biggest disadvantage of any of the national brand programs.

If Kirby went to Iowa State -- his state now borders Wisconsin, South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, who if you added all of their blue chip recruits combined, I'd bet it would be less than 5.

And Kirby has proven to be able to recruit nationally with the best of em. Is he gonna land too 5 classes at Iowa State? Probably not. Is he gonna land the best recruiting classes in the programs history? Absolutely.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Very transparent of you to forget to mention Michigan State was under sanctions from the previous coaching staff when Saban was there

They were stripped of 9 total scholarships over 4 years. So 2 a year. Now bowl bans, no TV bans. It was essentially a slap on the wrist.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

If any coach could land elite recruiting classes year after year just because of their location, Auburn would be loaded every year, since they’re pretty much on the Georgia line, is closer to Florida than UGA and Alabama and Mississippi produce a decent amount of talent too

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

And Kirby has proven to be able to recruit nationally with the best of em. Is he gonna land too 5 classes at Iowa State? Probably not. Is he gonna land the best recruiting classes in the programs history? Absolutely.

You do realize that those school don't have all the bells and whistles he has at Georgia. Those schools don't have the blank check to do what he pleases with the program, right? Or do you think Iowa State also gives every single player on the team a base of $50,000 to do "charity work"?

At those schools without talent in or around the school -- you don't have blue chip kids helping recruit other blue chip kids. At those schools, you don't have the bag man handing out cash, as Georgia fans admitted on here they did prior to NIL.

You seem to think CFB is a level playing field and Kirby Smart is just selling these kids on the experience and education of Georgia.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If any coach could land elite recruiting classes year after year just because of their location, Auburn would be loaded every year, since they’re pretty much on the Georgia line, is closer to Florida than UGA and Alabama and Mississippi produce a decent amount of talent too

Auburn is the 2nd choice in their own state. In Georgia, there is no 2nd choice, unless you want an engineering degree from GT.