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You're retarded, you're always going to be coming up short in your quest.
The Athletic reporting on NIL craziness ...
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1. There is no way any of the collectives will make a profit. It isn't why they are being set up for. Depending on how they are setup, they are getting donations from alumni to distribute to athletes.
2. The Bryce Young thing is a "traditional" NIL scenario. It's what a lot of people think NIL was supposed to be. Your scenario is what it appears NIL will turn out to be ... pay for play and an inducement to go to a particular school. That is the difference. That is why you and UTjr are catching shit.
3. You are truly projecting here. This is about the third post where you have talked about being "mean" and "sour grapes." As to being mean, give me a break. I'm 62 ... I've had parents die at 50, a child with a brain tumor, family die young, and all sorts of other shitty things happen in life. Most of us have. That's "mean." There is no such thing as being "mean" on a sports board where random people talk and give each other shit. If this place, or any of the other sports board ever affected me mentally, I'd be out of here so fast it wouldn't be funny. You have to see others as being mean to you for you to insists so often that you think you are being mean to me. That's a problem you have, not me.
I am not nervous about UTjr at all, especially because you landed one 5* QB. You've had highly rated QBs before who didn't work out ... hell, so have we. It takes more than one player to make a difference. You will very likely beat is from time to time in the next decade ... even Bama loses games to the likes of Ole Miss, ATM, and even UGA. So, losses happen, and you will have good teams from time to time. Whether you become a dominant program again is another question.
I have been following CFB for 55 years ... I know for a fact it's cyclical, and I know no teams will always be on top. Not even the Bama we all see today. I have never had any doubt that my team will go up and down, nor that our most hated rivals will also go up and down. I know UF will back one day. I think UTjr will be, although I am not as certain of that as I am of UF due to their guilt in recruiting advantage.
4. Puleez ... I am doing fine financially in my life. If I got an offer for a guaranteed $8 million dollars tomorrow from a mediocre company in a town I wasn't excited about, the only thing I would ask is when do you want me to start. If your QB4 had not accepted the offer I'd think he was an idiot.
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If that was too long for you I have to reconsider the quality of an ATM education. I'll take that as "I got nothing in response."tl;dr have a gif
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Rumor was that Bryce's Dad called Saban upset about him talking about his sons projected NIL value. Whether it was really a million or not, he was not happy. Saban hasn't brought up NIL and Bryce 's name ever since.
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Let's just agree to disagree. You are obviously bothered by this move by Tennessee or else you wouldn't be in here arguing it.
I think this article sums things up well on how the situation: Monday was a monumental turning point for Tennessee Vols football
The Alabama situation is similar because Alabama went public to brag about NIL to help recruiting. That is what you are failing to understand. I am NOT talking about before or after recruiting, both moves had the SAME PURPOSE. Tennessee is effectively doing the same thing and as most articles reference, this Nico Iamaleava is looking to bring friends. He event stated he committed early and went public about the deal to help sway other big-time recruits he interacts with to come on board.
Here is the thing, our communications are limited in chat boards. To be honest, you would probably like talking to me offline and the conversation wouldn't even be heated. It is hard to express on a chat board versus face-to-face but I do disagree with some of your points above. You complain about our past administration, well the new administration and the boosters are finally doing something different and it looks like they might be ahead of the game for once.
For #4, I think you are wrong. I think other schools would have paid money to him as well. He had a lot of meetings with Heupel and likes the offense as well. Is money a major factor? Yes but it isn't the only one. Honestly, none of us will know unless we are Nico Iamaleava. Obviously, you don't believe the words from his mouth that a lot of other intangibles were a part of his decision as well.
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Bryce's dad is a tax cheat, huh? I KNEW IT!
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Would you please stop with the "I must be bothered" nonsense. How many times do I have to tell you ... I talk on sports boards all the time. Discussing something doesn't mean I am bothered by it. The ACC screwing up the CFP, yeah, that bothered me. Me talking about Bama beating us in overtime, yeah, that bothered me. Me talking NIL, and the fact you bought an $8 million QB, I find it interesting and somewhat amusing, but it really doesn't bother me. You guys beat us a few times, put together 4 years of top recruiting classes and get back to where you were 25 years ago, that might bother me. This, no. You seem not to want to take me at my word, and as excited about this as you are, I assure you this doesn't bother me.
The fact that you think this is a heated conversation is where you are way off. I don't get heated on a sports board. I cuss, and go back and forth with people, but I have never let what is said on a sports board affect my real life. Damn, man, if you are heated because of this you need to reevaluate your life priorities. As for this discussion, what do you mean I would like talking to you offline, hell, I enjoy our banter online. Even in this thread. If I wasn't enjoying being here I wouldn't be here. I really think you are projecting the way you think about this on me. Don't do that because we apparently look at this way differently.
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Anyone disagrees with you and you immediately say they are bothered. You write these convoluted bullshit novels and want to pretend you aren't all rustled.
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If Spry has to make a profit -- it is a company that won't be around too long, as paying a kid who hasn't played a down twice as much a year as the Heisman Trophy winner isn't a sound business deal. It is a genius move by the kid. Now he is guaranteed millions and he can go out and sign whatever other deals he'd like and make even more.
And again -- Alabama didn't give the kid 900+k a year to come to Bama -- Young signed with CAA, which is one of the largest entertainment companies which has helped broker deals with a bunch of different companies -- from steakhouse's to cash app to trading card companies. It is light years different than what Tennessee did. That's why Bama was public about it -- They have national companies giving deals to Young.
What Tennessee did was pay a kid to go to Tennessee, then publicly announced it. What will happen is -- EVERY elite recruit is going to have their hand out at Tennessee if Tennessee wants them to sign with them. They will simply say -- You gave the money to that QB, so what deal are you going to give me to sign with you.
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Interesting, you must be God to know all of this information as fact. You don't know this stuff unless you are a party of the contracts.
Alabama's reason for bragging about Bryce Young was to support recruiting and you know it. That was the purpose of the boast. It is the same logic as Tennessee.
Also this won't be limited to Tennessee, players are going to want handouts from everyone know.
Also, you can definitely make up the money in merchandise sells/licensing agreements. I don't think you realize the level of profit that can be made of merchandising/brands. What Spyre is doing is no different than all of these companies merchandising Lebron James out of high school. I am sure, in the case of Lebron James, the companies made far more back then what they paid for the deal.
$ 8 Million will be easy for them to get back in this market. The only way it wouldn't work is if Nico was just a major flop. Even then, they can probably sell enough product going into the season and do enough deals (speaking arrangements, appearances, etc.) to get it back.
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Jimmies not rustled here.Anyone disagrees with you and you immediately say they are bothered. You write these convoluted bullshit novels and want to pretend you aren't all rustled.
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I think you way overestimate merchandising. Let's say that you can sell T-shirts for $25 (that is what they cost ... the $5 you mentioned the other day doesn't exist). Let's say the player, after everyone gets a cut get's $5 ... that's 20%. He's getting $2 million a year. That's 400,000 T-shirts. No one sells 400,000 T-shirts for one player. Then think that you have to sell T-shirts for everyone else you paid money to. Then you have to do it again next year. If the player is really good, maybe he gets some deals like Bryce, but even Bryce isn't making $2 million a year. This shouldn't be a surprise ... they value the players have isn't in selling stuff ... it's pressing flesh, making appearances. The collective won't make anything off that other than more contributions which is what it is all about.
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You could almost do that at one Tennessee Football game since the crowd is roughly ~ 100,000.
Merchandise/Sports stores have been the hardest hit group since Tennessee's rough run. I was talking to an owner of a sports merchandise store in my hometown and he was complaining about it. Even though he sells all teams, he told me Tennessee is really the main money driver in the area.
In reality, they would just sell the shirts to various Sports stores, Walmarts, etc. around the state of Tennessee and surrounding areas and probably make it up off that. They would also sell more than just shirts and they would have other outlets for money such as appearance at events, radio guest appearances, commercials, etc.
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Here is what you don't seem to grasp. You are comparing a kid who is the 4th ranked QB in the class of 2023 to a generational talent who was nicknamed King James at a 15 year old. If the contract given to the kid was a lifetime contract -- then yes, recouping $8 million would be easy. If it were Arch Manning with the name recognition, the #1 ranking, a member of the Manning family -- then yes -- i could see them recouping that money.
If the contract is only for the 3-4 years he is at Tennessee -- I would wager there isn't a chance they recoup the money they gave them, let alone profit off it. What you don't seem to grasp is -- if they sell a jersey for $100 at a store. It isn't $100 profit. You have to pay whoever sponsors Tennessee a licensing fee for every jersey you sell. You have to pay the overhead on the storefront, employees, etc. or if they simply pay for floor space to sell them. My friend has a huge online sports store thru E-Bay/Amazon now (used to only be thru E-Bay) -- He brings in around $5,000,000 a year in sales. After licensing fees, overhead, website fees, storage facility, etc. -- He makes between 150k-200k a year.
I think you believe that if they sell 10,000 jerseys for 100 a pop -- that's $1 million dollars right there. When in actually -- the profit would only be a fraction of that.
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I can't tell if you are serious. You think the fans -- who are all dressed up in their orange tennessee clothes already, are ALL going to buy a tennessee t-shirt and then do this game after game after game?
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I don't 100% believe it but I was making a point. This is a team that has struggled and still almost fills a 100k stadium. If they get good again they are worth 100s of millions based on variety of factors. Assume Nico does help Tennessee turn things around, I think Sprye will get its investment back.
Not only that. One of 'em is bi-polar because he went to Baylor as an undergrad and UT Law school.
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What you fail to realize is -- those people filling the stadium are already buying Tennessee football gear. The same way I've bought Detroit Tiger gear, Detroit Lions gear, etc even though they were/are not good.
You are banking on the bandwagon fans to spend all this extra money. To do that -- you are going to need to beat the Bama's and the Georgia's on the field, which is highly unlikely, as the talent disparity is quite large.
I wish Tennessee the best of luck. I'd love to see the contract breakdown because the only way I could see them recouping part of the money is if he signed away any and all NIL rights and Spyre negotiates deals for him and instead of the money going to the kid, it all goes to Spyre.
It isn't rocket science -- the #1 guy in NIL deals is the Heisman trophy winning QB at Alabama -- getting a little over 900k a year. If Bryce Young is only pulling in that for NIL, while having deals with a ton of national companies -- a Tennessee QB who hasn't played a snap will pull in a small fraction of that, yet you are convinced he will pull in twice the revenue as Young?!?! That seems logical to you?