The B10's Weaponization of clean cash is shifting power dynamics from south to north

fordman84 said:
Tell me which part of that chart he is going to liquidate to get that 3% of $35.1b
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You think that matters to an 80 year old dude who wants to see his team win a natty? Your wealth is nothing like his, so please stop it.
 
fordman84 said:
So someone that you think has enough money to throw around, bought A PLAYER. To win a natty you need an entire staff plus an entire team plus the depth to get through the season and into the expanded playoffs now.

How many wasteful ultra-billionaires would it take to field a championship team at that rate?
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Not every player is going to be worth that kind of money. We'll see some of this balance out at some point but I think a good chunk of a starting team can be bought by these people, and then supplemented outside of that.
 
cwerph said:
You think that matters to an 80 year old dude who wants to see his team win a natty? Your wealth is nothing like his, so please stop it.
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I'm not saying my wealth compares to his in any way other than neither of us have mattresses stuffed with dollars. You get wealthy by letting your money work for you. He literally has to take money out of a growth medium to spend it on a kid to play football. The kid then owes you nothing. It's a terrible investment, which is why the powerful NIL systems are made up of a large amount of donors like me and not some billionaire.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Not every player is going to be worth that kind of money. We'll see some of this balance out at some point but I think a good chunk of a starting team can be bought by these people, and then supplemented outside of that.
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Once the bar is set at a school, that's all there is. If you are a 5 star and you see a fellow 5 star land a $10m deal while you are getting $1m then there is going to be locker room issues.
 
fordman84 said:
I'm not saying my wealth compares to his in any way other than neither of us have mattresses stuffed with dollars. You get wealthy by letting your money work for you. He literally has to take money out of a growth medium to spend it on a kid to play football. The kid then owes you nothing. It's a terrible investment, which is why the powerful NIL systems are made up of a large amount of donors like me and not some billionaire.
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He's 80 and has a few years left to live while he's porking his 30 year old wife. You think he's going to see her wasting a few dollars on a football team and say "welp, they only won 8 games -- pull the funding!"
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
He's 80 and has a few years left to live while he's porking his 30 year old wife. You think he's going to see her wasting a few dollars on a football team and say "welp, they only won 8 games -- pull the funding!"
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You can't "pull the funding" but you can pass on writing another check.
 
fordman84 said:
You can't "pull the funding" but you can pass on writing another check.
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The 30 year old wife thing is overblown too, the guy could just buy himself another 30 year old wife if this one gets annoying with the football stuff.
 
fordman84 said:
I'm not saying my wealth compares to his in any way other than neither of us have mattresses stuffed with dollars. You get wealthy by letting your money work for you. He literally has to take money out of a growth medium to spend it on a kid to play football. The kid then owes you nothing. It's a terrible investment, which is why the powerful NIL systems are made up of a large amount of donors like me and not some billionaire.
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Berkshire Hathaway is sitting on over $300 Billion in cash right now which is just under 30% of their capitalization.

Like I said, I'm glad you do what works for you, but it isn't what ultra rich people necessarily do.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The 30 year old wife thing is overblown too, the guy could just buy himself another 30 year old wife if this one gets annoying with the football stuff.
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Maybe, who knows what their personal relationship is like.
 
cwerph said:
Berkshire Hathaway is sitting on over $300 Billion in cash right now which is just under 30% of their capitalization.

Like I said, I'm glad you do what works for you, but it isn't what ultra rich people necessarily do.
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And they would face a shareholder lawsuit in about a nano-second if the board authorized a million+ expense that has zero tangible return.
 
fordman84 said:
And they would face a shareholder lawsuit in about a nano-second if the board authorized a million+ expense that has zero tangible return.
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Changing the argument? They have been liquidating stocks all over the place and taking the tax hit. You said that rich people don't do that.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Every major program across the country can no longer stock pile depth. The days of developing guys for 3/4 years is over, even 3* who land at major programs are gone within a year or two if the path to starting is not there. This is not exclusive to the SEC. You have to rely on the portal to recover depth and even then that's not a easy task because most guys in the portal are looking to start somewhere, not be a rotational depth piece.

The portal is almost quickly becoming more important than HS recruiting. You'll have your main core of like maybe 10 HS recruits that actually play and stick around each class, but you are going to be filling 10-20 spots a year with the portal to replace the like 10-20 players you recruited out of HS who jet elsewhere after a year or two. Schools who don't play the portal right are really going to feel it.
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I don't see it that way, and nothing points to it based on the last few years. I will use your program as an example.

- tOSU is a top 3/5 high school recruiting program every year.
- Players still want to go to tOSU, like they do other top programs, because they can get paid, but also because the have a change to win, can get developed, have a better shot at the NFL, great facilities, etc.
- Most tOSU players who leave have been beaten out, or recruited over.
- tOSU uses NIL to retain talent to stay for 3-5 years - you did exactly that this past year and got key players to stay one more years. That is what Clemson, Bama, and UGA have done in the past that lead to championships.
- tOSU uses the portal to fill cracks - you only brought in 7 players last year, one a future QB and not an immediate asset. You didn't bring in 10-20. You don't have to because you recruit high school well and have all the other things going for you that you have always had that made you an elite program.
- Programs like your rarely get players they want poached.
- Top programs have less depth, but still way more depth that all the other non-top programs.
- Your team, likely to win the NC this year, has a ton of players who have been developed for 3/4 years.

The scenario you just pained simply hasn't shown to be the model. Top HS recruiting, NIL to retain your best players, the the portal to fill cracks, have a great coach, and be a top program is where you are going to get consistent success.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It is the world we live in now. I think we'll see some power schools come out in support of some sort of cap because at some point soon, schools aren't going to be able to compete in the market.
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This has always been the case - the wild west is not sustainable. The House clearinghouse is the first step, even if challenged. No one wants to see Billionaires coming in and buying teams. Ultimately, whether CBA or Clearinghouse, you are going to get where everyone has $20.5 million (or whatever number), plus real NIL. FWIW, Beck made $2.5 million in real NIL deals last year. That money is there. But no one wants to see billionaires come in and add $40 million a year to the revenue share and blow up the market.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't see it that way, and nothing points to it based on the last few years. I will use your program as an example.

- tOSU is a top 3/5 high school recruiting program every year.
- Players still want to go to tOSU, like they do other top programs, because they can get paid, but also because the have a change to win, can get developed, have a better shot at the NFL, great facilities, etc.
- Most tOSU players who leave have been beaten out, or recruited over.
- tOSU uses NIL to retain talent to stay for 3-5 years - you did exactly that this past year and got key players to stay one more years. That is what Clemson, Bama, and UGA have done in the past that lead to championships.
- tOSU uses the portal to fill cracks - you only brought in 7 players last year, one a future QB and not an immediate asset. You didn't bring in 10-20. You don't have to because you recruit high school well and have all the other things going for you that you have always had that made you an elite program.
- Programs like your rarely get players they want poached.
- Top programs have less depth, but still way more depth that all the other non-top programs.
- Your team, likely to win the NC this year, has a ton of players who have been developed for 3/4 years.

The scenario you just pained simply hasn't shown to be the model. Top HS recruiting, NIL to retain your best players, the the portal to fill cracks, have a great coach, and be a top program is where you are going to get consistent success.
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I will say from a recruiting standpoint, just in the last few years, OSU has lost at least 3 guys to NIL money from Miami - Mark Fletcher (RB), Justin Scott (DT), Marquise Lightfoot (DE). These guys were either already committed or considered heavy leans before Miami opened their wallet. This is only one school vs. one school. Also, the NIL era is still very young and programs are still developing their NIL networks. I think this is going to happen more and more. Not that teams like OSU are going to suddenly not recruit well, but I could see a shift from the top 4-5 classes taking like 75% of the 5* kids to it being spread out much more.
 
Across The Field said:
I will say from a recruiting standpoint, just in the last few years, OSU has lost at least 3 guys to NIL money from Miami - Mark Fletcher (RB), Justin Scott (DT), Marquise Lightfoot (DE). These guys were either already committed or considered heavy leans before Miami opened their wallet. This is only one school vs. one school. Also, the NIL era is still very young and programs are still developing their NIL networks. I think this is going to happen more and more. Not that teams like OSU are going to suddenly not recruit well, but I could see a shift from the top 4-5 classes taking like 75% of the 5* kids to it being spread out much more.
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This year we lost Offord at the last minute to a NIL bag as well. Dorian Brew was considered a Ohio State lock as well until Oregon swung the bag. 2 5* there

We lost a mid level DL recruit to a bag to Colorado as well.

Keeping Chris Henry Jr for 2026 is going to be a gigantic battle as well the bags are already being thrown.

We don't get "everyone" we want, it could be worse for sure but we have lost our fair share of recruits to bags from elsewhere. Anytime we are up against a Oregon Miami or Texas A&M type for a recruit or transfer I just assume we aren't getting them now.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
You COMPLETELY miss the point. These people who never otherwise put money into a schools sports program are going to want to see success with their money, if you take their money and it doesn't work out favorably they are much less likely to do it again. You say that money is "nothing to them" but is can assure you that they don't think this way.

Not everyone is Phil Knight who's completely obsessed with the sports program at a given school and will just keep writing blank checks regardless.
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Phil Knight is completely different as well. Due to the company he ran, Knight was actually getting RETURNS on his investments into Oregon by making them Nike U. He created Oregon into sort of a fashion and technology test center for Nike which worked out great for Oregon but that is a unique situation. Not many wealthy patrons can pull that off
 
cwerph said:
How much was Ohio State paying players before NIL started? When did that start?

Just curious. It must have started with Urban Meyer because Terelle Pryor, #1 QB recruit in the country, was paid "so much" that he had to trade autographs and memorabilia for tattoos.
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I will give you that they were "paid" in different ways before NIL and definitely less value. Quite a bit harder to hide a 250k bag before NIL
 
Across The Field said:
I will say from a recruiting standpoint, just in the last few years, OSU has lost at least 3 guys to NIL money from Miami - Mark Fletcher (RB), Justin Scott (DT), Marquise Lightfoot (DE). These guys were either already committed or considered heavy leans before Miami opened their wallet. This is only one school vs. one school. Also, the NIL era is still very young and programs are still developing their NIL networks. I think this is going to happen more and more. Not that teams like OSU are going to suddenly not recruit well, but I could see a shift from the top 4-5 classes taking like 75% of the 5* kids to it being spread out much more.
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But, recruiting like that is relative. You may not get all the ones you got in the past - NIL is definitely peeling off players here and there. That's why recruiting points are dropping and/or flattening out. But, relative to everyone else, you will still have a far more talented roster than Miami. The first team to buy a team that wins the NC will be the first. The top teams have been the top teams for a long time and that isn't going away. Just more parity and talent spread around more.
 
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