The Curse of Bob Nightengale

Guy Incognito said:
This doesn't mean that someone was "better" than Williams or whatever, just that the HOF voters used to have a legitimate excuse to say, "Oh, it's suck if Al Lopez fell off the ballot because everyone voted for Williams."

I don't agree with the logic, but at least it's defensible. There aren't five guys on this ballot, including PED users, that are surefire locks, so the guys now that come through and are all-time greats (Adrian Beltre, come on down) should be getting 100% of the vote. I don't care what writers did in the 50s when you were starting your first job.
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I was more remarking on how the writers vote pet peeves as opposed to "greatness". Bonds should have been 1st ballot, IMO. Same with Clemmons. And I can't stand either one of them.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
I don’t know if I can say who owes more to juicing, but I think I get what you’re saying. Bonds was absolutely on the track to HoF before he even started. Papi was a no body.

It’s a god damn Student Council vote….that’s all it is.
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Bonds never failed a PED test, Papi did.

Bonds obviously has the Game of Shadows trail. At the end of the '98 season, Bonds had 411 homers and 445 steals. No one else in history is 400/400. I think there's a couple 300/300 guys. He was hitting 30 homers and stealing 25-30 bases a season, and there's zero reason to believe he wouldn't have pressed to get to 500/500. If he went and died in the '98 off-season, there is zero chance a 400/400 guy with 3 MVPs isn't in the Hall.

Yeah, he absolutely cheated, and whatever. The league had a toothless policy and was cheerleading this shit anyway. Wasn't until he became a baseball cheat code that they legitimately started trying to get the stuff out of the game. And some of these fuckers probably voted for a notorious spitballer like Gaylord Perry.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Bonds never failed a PED test, Papi did.

Bonds obviously has the Game of Shadows trail. At the end of the '98 season, Bonds had 411 homers and 445 steals. No one else in history is 400/400. I think there's a couple 300/300 guys. He was hitting 30 homers and stealing 25-30 bases a season, and there's zero reason to believe he wouldn't have pressed to get to 500/500. If he went and died in the '98 off-season, there is zero chance a 400/400 guy with 3 MVPs isn't in the Hall.

Yeah, he absolutely cheated, and whatever. The league had a toothless policy and was cheerleading this shit anyway. Wasn't until he became a baseball cheat code that they legitimately started trying to get the stuff out of the game. And some of these fuckers probably voted for a notorious spitballer like Gaylord Perry.
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100% agreed with this post and your overall take on Bonds/Ortiz

Bud Selig is in the HOF. A truly horrible commissioner and the guy that was in charge when guys were juiced.

David Ortiz was good with the media, helped one of the baseball's biggest draws break an 86 year championship drought + didn't break any of north america's most prestigious records (single season HR, career HR, isn't a member of the 600 HR club) so he gets a pass

we'll even run cover for his failed drug test and say that there was an issue with the test itself
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
A fucking closer was the first ever unanimous HOFer
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Legit don't care.

The fact that anyone cares about this is half the problem. 100% isn't some sacrosanct number. Rivera doesn't have his own room in Cooperstown. Even the "first ballot" thing is meaningless now, it had a shred of meaning when there was a backlog of guys who belonged, but now that they're at least 15 years clear of a backlog and that drunk shithead Tony LaRussa has gotten Harold Baines enshrined ahead of Dick Allen, that doesn't even move the needle any more.

The asshole shitbag pompous fuckheads at the BBWAA let that 100% thing go on about 30 years more than it should have.
 
steelerssb said:
There's no bigger organization of people who think their farts smell good than the BBWA. Ortiz was a personable guy and Bonds was a meanie poopoo face, that's the difference between why Ortiz gets votes and Bonds won't because all these boomer writers have fragile egos.
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Illustrious Potentate said:
A fucking closer was the first ever unanimous HOFer
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"designated hitters don't take the field, but let's vote for a guy who throws ~60-70 innings and faces around 4-5 batters per innings."
 
PEDs were good until Hank Aaron's record was in jeopardy, even though he used greenies. And let's not forget that there's several spitballers in the HOF.
 
Just remembered that time Boob wanted someone thrown in jail and given a lifetime ban for sporting events for something they didn't do.
 
steelerssb said:
Just remembered that time Boob wanted someone thrown in jail and given a lifetime ban for sporting events for something they didn't do.
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he should have suspended for that, tbh

these sports writers use twitter as a platform for their careers. If they abuse that platform then they should be punished by their employer.
 
Montreal and Nashville just got the Nightengale kiss of death.

 
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling will easily make the Hall of Fame. David Ortiz will be out of the big leagues by 2003.

-Bob Nightengale in November 2001
 




Boob calling Joe West respectable is just too predictable.
 
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