Good. I've just now forgotten what those hippies smell like.
Thee PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC (Alliance) are Dividing Up tOrphaned 8 As We Plorst.
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Which would be a perfect fit for Notre Dame and it's 5 game obligation.
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Will ND really ever feel forced to join a league with a 12 team playoff?
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Highly unlikely.
Their 5 ACC games added to their typical OOC opponents is on par with any of the traditional CFP teams.
I'd think the ONLY thing that would force ND into a conference is it's media rights revenues. They're lagging ALL of the P5 conferences at this point.
Even then they would be dragged kicking and screaming.
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Pot meets kettle. You are in denial on a lot of things. It is like you don't even read CFB news.
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Won’t happen.
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We are only talking about revenue and ratings.
PAC and ACC need both.
B1G needs ratings before their next contract.
That is what it is about.
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If other conferences go to 16 you think the ACC stands pat?
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the Pac 12 has not been down. it just hasnt been dominated by 1 team.
the perception of it being down is because they havent made the playoff.
the reality is outside of 2020 when they barely played half a season the Pac has just been the Pac
you say 5-6 years yet in 2019 Oregon and Utah were both a game away from the playoff. 2 teams over 10 wins and 2 teams ranked.
2018 2 teams over 10 wins 2 ranked. not to mention 3 more at 9 wins. point of reference SEC and Big 4 teams at 9 wins ranked and some how West Virginia at 8 wins was.
2017 2 at10 or more wins 3 ranked
2016 4 teams 10 or more wins 5 ranked
2015 2 over 10 wins and 3 ranked
2014 4 over 10 and 5 ranked
and you said 5-6 years which basically includes oregon and washington's play off births included.
2013 5 teams over 10 wins 6 ranked
2012 2 teams over 10 wins 3 ranked
2011 3 teams over 10 and 3 ranked
2010 2 teams over 10 and 2 ranked (pac 10)
its just while Oklahoma has won 6 in a row and and 7 of last 10 in Big XII 3 years where they didnt Baylor has solo and shared with TCU. Ok State has 1 K St has a shared.
and Clemson has won 6 in row and 7 of the last 10 in ACC. 3 others by 1 other school.
and Ohio State has won 4 in a row and 5 of the last 10 in Big Ten. 5 others by 3 schools.
and Alabama has 6 of the last 10 in the SEC. 4 others by 3 other teams.
the Pac 12 has Oregon with 2 in a row and 4 of the last 10. 6 others by 3 other teams.
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The Pac12 doesn't have any marquee non-conference wins, play-off wins, or National Titles in the last 5-6 years. I would call that "down" compared to where the Pac12 was with the Chip Kelly Oregon teams, Pete Carroll USC teams, etc.
That isn't necessarily an insult at the Pac12 but a defense. You guys haven't been playing as well lately as you have in the past as a league and you could potentially do better in the future.
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The best way for the B1G to get rankings is for Michigan, Penn State, etc. to start living up to hype and actually dethrone Ohio State every once in a while.
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If you look at it objectively it’s obvious that expansion without folding in ND as a full member makes no sense.
1. Expansion will not increase their revenue and thus decrease payouts to the other schools. Unless you think the networks are going to pay the ACC 20 million more for WV.
2. Having only 15 schools creates a scheduling problem ( note your 3 pod system is not something they will implement just to WV in). They also aren’t going to add two new schools because there is no one that moves the revenue needle (see comment one).
3. They don’t have to add WV until they are sure it’s the right move because you don’t have any other options.
The way this happens is ND is forced to join a conference and the ACC needs to balance the league. WV by themselves do not move the needle enough. ND literally controls your fate at this point.
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100% correct but having some regular match ups between:
Wisconsin
Michigan
Penn State
Ohio State
USC
Oregon
Washington
UCLA
FSU
Miami
Clemson
VT
No matter how you mixed them up would be well received in the market and increase ratings.
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The only addition That makes any sense was OU and Texas to the SEC. It makes zero sense for the PAC, B1G or ACC to expand With what’s available, yet here we are talking about it.
Of course WVU isn’t going to move the needle right now but with the popularity streaming has gained and the rivalries WVU has in the ACC it can come to a point where they could (marginally) move the needle. Considering the ACC has only one option that makes sense over WVU (ND) I wouldn’t say WVU is not in without ND if other power conferences move to 16.
So again, you think the ACC stands Pat if other Power conferences go to 16?
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in the Pete Carroll era people said the Pac sucked and called it USC and the 9 dwarves. dont try to use it as Pac puff up now. also the 9 dwarves thing was also a misconception based on no one team holding pace or stature for any kind of duration.
the pac from the BCS on had always been the most diverse and had the most parity compared to the rest of the conferences.
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Convenient 5-6 years is just out side when oregon did win a playoff game and made the championship. Pac overall still has more playoff wins than Big XII. Still has more teams make the playoff than the Big XII. Outside clemson and Ohio state what has the rest of the ACC and Big Ten done
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Florida State has a National Title in 2013 and made the playoffs the year after it. To be fair, though, no one has done a lot other than the SEC when it comes to parity. Even the SEC has been heavy Alabama but even if Alabama wasn't in the picture, other SEC teams may have won it (Georgia for example in 2017 or LSU in 2011).
I will say that the Pac12 has a tradition of not being as top heavy as other leagues. However, the SEC isn't as top heavy as you think. I will leave you with this note, in the last 10 years, every SEC School has finished in the top 25 at least once. Tennessee, despite all of its trouble, has won 4 bowl games in the last 8 years (includes full Butch Jones and Pruitt era).
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I would say the mid-tier USC years (2004-2006) the Pac12 wasn't that good. However, Oregon and Stanford got good in the later years of Pete Carrol's career and when he took over at USC, the Pac12 was strong because Washington State, Cal, and Oregon all had good squads. All three fell off for a while there. Arizona State was supposed to have good teams several years but they choked away top ten preseason rankings and finished with terrible records.
Stanford has been pretty consistent for a while although last 3-4 years they have been slightly down. Oregon took a hit after Chip Kelly left but are starting to comeback. Washington had some good years with Peterson but they are starting to slip a little. Utah has been decent and I think Colorado had a great squad a couple of years back. Other than that, the Pac12 has not been very good. USC underachieves a lot and UCLA hasn't been good since the 1990s other then a few years here and there. The Arizona teams haven't done anything in a while either.
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You mean 'read CFB news' from peeps that were completely in the dark for 7 months on the 'TX/OU to the SEC' move?
Literally the biggest story in 10 years, during the off season with no live action interference, and not one CFB news outlet got the story.
Those guys?
LMFAO!!!