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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
We need an official acc doomsday clock countdown lol
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In response to @MAIZEandBLUE09. Might as well give it a thread.

Well, IDK. Most of me agrees wholeheartedly with you on this, but too many what ifs.

ESPN is getting a great deal on the ACC contract and everybody knows it which is why the ACC schools are so pissed about it.

What if ESPN financial woes continue but they stay viable until the next SEC contract and they just can't give another lucrative contract like they have now. How much less would SEC accept? Or does SEC go shopping for another partner at that time? And if so, will that increase what is available to ACC and Big12(16 or whatever) such that maybe everyone calms down about realignment and are happy with the money available at that time?

Too early to tell, but if I had to guess, I am now leaning to more per team payout parity coming down the pipe in the next decade to the point where I suspect the ACC survives.

A month ago I thought ACC and PAC were sitting ducks and it was only a matter of time, as well as that Big12 seems to be OK and would be just fine. Now with the info that ESPN can't even save the PAC and their financial issues, I wonder.

It will be 6-7 more years before anyone in ACC can get financially serious about leaving (notwithstanding this weird Hail Mary FSU is foolishly pondering). By that time we will know the details about ESPN and SEC contract.

NOTE: Before any SEC fans get bent out of shape, I am not suggesting ACC is worth the money that SEC is or that SEC doesn't deserve what they are getting. I am merely stating that I don't think ESPN can continue to pay SEC what they are getting now.
 
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Its Happening The Office GIF by NBC
 
Why is it always ESPN/FOX/CBS/ABC?

Why doesn’t NBC come off of some of their money and make a big boy deal with the ACC?
 
Regarding GOR from another board...

FWIW, the original ACC Grant of Rights is available online. The only thing that changed in the 2016 update is the end date of the GoR.
It's beauty is in its simplicity. It is only 3 1/2 pages long.


The key part is right at the beginning


"Each of the Member Institutions acknowledges that the grant of Rights during the entire Term is irrevocable and effective until the end of the Term regardless of whether the Member Institution withdraws from the Conference during the Term or otherwise ceases to participate as a member of the Conference,"

Basically this means that if a program choses to leave not only does it lose the money it would receive from the ACC media deal, they also forfeit any media rights money from their new conference.
It's basically a poison pill provision that makes any school that leaves not valuable to a new conference because that conference would not receive any media money from the new addition - it would all go to the ACC, since the ACC holds the media rights for that school.

Also, quite importantly, there is no mechanism within the GoR for a school to exit the GoR. Not like a coaching contract where they have to pay some sort of an exit fee. There is nothing there.
If you want to leave, you are going to have to go to court to try to force a way out. Good luck on that since every school has twice signed off on it willingly.

There is also nothing in it about needing a certain number of schools to vote to end it.

Finally, it has a provision that any new school has to agree to the GoR to join the conference.


Also, I guess the UNC AD had a meeting with the UNC athletic department yesterday where he said they have no plans to leave the conference, just to make it stronger.

 
CoalTrain said:
Why is it always ESPN/FOX/CBS/ABC?

Why doesn’t NBC come off of some of their money and make a big boy deal with the ACC?
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ESPN's got the ACC bent over a barrel until 2036. NBC couldn't get in there if they wanted to.

NBC has partial Big 10 (thru 2029/2030) and Notre Dame through 2024.
 
Red_Alert said:
ESPN's got the ACC bent over a barrel until 2036. NBC couldn't get in there if they wanted to.

NBC has partial Big 10 (thru 2029/2030) and Notre Dame through 2024.
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Yea but they can be preparing a deal to get the ACC by that time no? The ACC + ND for the peacock brand(s)? How close could they get them as far as money?
 
CoalTrain said:
Yea but they can be preparing a deal to get the ACC by that time no? The ACC + ND for the peacock brand(s)? How close could they get them as far as money?
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NBC ain't touching the ACC between now and 2036.

They know the conference is gonna get poached by the SEC and Big 10 when that GOR expires and nobody worth a damn is going to commit to a new one.
The ACC could very well being in the PAC's shoes regarding finding a media rights deal to replace ESPN.
 
Florida State will not be in the ACC for the 2026 season.
 
duckboy33 said:
Florida State will not be in the ACC for the 2026 season.
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Good. That's an extra ~3mm per year for 13 years each acc school gets from their part of GOR and exit fee. And it won't be negotiated down.

Oh and good luck B1G or SEC wanting to add such whiners and complainers especially since they will be tied up in financial lala land and possibly lawsuit. The Big2 aren't that dumb.
 
So umm....enlighten me. Would the only way ACC teams could get out of their conference early without penalty be if 8 teams vote to dissolve it?

- Because I can imagine 8 teams (maybe more) that *might would,

Miami
FSU
Clemson
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State
UNC
Duke
 
duckboy33 said:
Florida State will not be in the ACC for the 2026 season.
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If they try to leave it will be 2026 before they have the hearing to decide which state has jurisdiction for the court case.
 
Fredmccallyrtr said:
So umm....enlighten me. Would the only way ACC teams could get out of their conference early without penalty be if 8 teams vote to dissolve it?

- Because I can imagine 8 teams (maybe more) that *might would,

Miami
FSU
Clemson
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State
UNC
Duke
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There's mixed messaging on it, but based on the legal documents floating out there on the interwebz, it appears they need a simple majority to dissolve the conference so it would be 8 schools. Notre Dame is also a voting member despite not being in the ACC for football. But "might" is the key word. Of the schools, only FSU, Miami, and Clemson would for sure have guaranteed spots in the P2. That is to say, if for whatever reason they were on the market, BIG or SEC would take them. The others its much more up in the air. It's possible they could. It's also possible they could end up in the Big 12 with no better deal than what it is now. Instead of 8 schools getting invites somewhere, it could just be 4 or 5 and those other schools that voted to dissolve get left out. So its not so simple. Also, doesn't help that a large part of the reason the ACC is in this mess is because much of the schools and leadership lack foresight. So they aren't really thinking proactively.

FWIW, the ACC is dead. Given the state of the sport, there's no growth here or even preserving status quo. The question is whether they are gonna choose to die a slow death or recognize the real world, blow it up, and let each school do what's best themselves. The longer they wait, the less value each school is gonna have.
 
rfjeff9 said:
In response to @MAIZEandBLUE09. Might as well give it a thread.

Well, IDK. Most of me agrees wholeheartedly with you on this, but too many what ifs.

ESPN is getting a great deal on the ACC contract and everybody knows it which is why the ACC schools are so pissed about it.

What if ESPN financial woes continue but they stay viable until the next SEC contract and they just can't give another lucrative contract like they have now. How much less would SEC accept? Or does SEC go shopping for another partner at that time? And if so, will that increase what is available to ACC and Big12(16 or whatever) such that maybe everyone calms down about realignment and are happy with the money available at that time?

Too early to tell, but if I had to guess, I am now leaning to more per team payout parity coming down the pipe in the next decade to the point where I suspect the ACC survives.

A month ago I thought ACC and PAC were sitting ducks and it was only a matter of time, as well as that Big12 seems to be OK and would be just fine. Now with the info that ESPN can't even save the PAC and their financial issues, I wonder.

It will be 6-7 more years before anyone in ACC can get financially serious about leaving (notwithstanding this weird Hail Mary FSU is foolishly pondering). By that time we will know the details about ESPN and SEC contract.

NOTE: Before any SEC fans get bent out of shape, I am not suggesting ACC is worth the money that SEC is or that SEC doesn't deserve what they are getting. I am merely stating that I don't think ESPN can continue to pay SEC what they are getting now.
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Wait wait wait.. ESPN is having financial woes based on them not saving the PAC conference?!?

What?? ESPN had a tier 2 deal with them.. Fox controlled thier Tier1.. Fox is the one who steered SC/UCLA to the BiG. Without those schools where is the true value? Oregon and Udub wanted out immediately when the LA schools announced to leave..

ESPN saved the Big12 if anything with reupping their deal, paying more mind you, a year sooner than it was supposed to go to negotiations.

Conferences have no power anymore, they've signed their media rights over to either ESPN or Fox.. Sure NBC and CBS have rights. But they got those from Fox 👀

Don't confuse "financial woes" with overspending for almost no value
 
Thiefery said:
Wait wait wait.. ESPN is having financial woes based on them not saving the PAC conference?!?

What?? ESPN had a tier 2 deal with them.. Fox controlled thier Tier1.. Fox is the one who steered SC/UCLA to the BiG. Without those schools where is the true value? Oregon and Udub wanted out immediately when the LA schools announced to leave..

ESPN saved the Big12 if anything with reupping their deal, paying more mind you, a year sooner than it was supposed to go to negotiations.

Conferences have no power anymore, they've signed their media rights over to either ESPN or Fox.. Sure NBC and CBS have rights. But they got those from Fox 👀

Don't confuse "financial woes" with overspending for almost no value
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My mistake - ESPN is not the same to PAC that it is to Big12/ACC/SEC.

I never said ESPN was having problems based solely on the PAC.

ESPN financial woes are an issue regardless of anything to do with PAC. It's been in the news for weeks nkw.
 
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Thiefery said:
Wait wait wait.. ESPN is having financial woes based on them not saving the PAC conference?!?

What?? ESPN had a tier 2 deal with them.. Fox controlled thier Tier1.. Fox is the one who steered SC/UCLA to the BiG. Without those schools where is the true value? Oregon and Udub wanted out immediately when the LA schools announced to leave..

ESPN saved the Big12 if anything with reupping their deal, paying more mind you, a year sooner than it was supposed to go to negotiations.

Conferences have no power anymore, they've signed their media rights over to either ESPN or Fox.. Sure NBC and CBS have rights. But they got those from Fox 👀

Don't confuse "financial woes" with overspending for almost no value
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FOX sports wanted UO and UW in the Big Ten so they made it happen.
 
wildturkey said:
There's mixed messaging on it, but based on the legal documents floating out there on the interwebz, it appears they need a simple majority to dissolve the conference so it would be 8 schools. Notre Dame is also a voting member despite not being in the ACC for football. But "might" is the key word. Of the schools, only FSU, Miami, and Clemson would for sure have guaranteed spots in the P2. That is to say, if for whatever reason they were on the market, BIG or SEC would take them. The others its much more up in the air. It's possible they could. It's also possible they could end up in the Big 12 with no better deal than what it is now. Instead of 8 schools getting invites somewhere, it could just be 4 or 5 and those other schools that voted to dissolve get left out. So its not so simple. Also, doesn't help that a large part of the reason the ACC is in this mess is because much of the schools and leadership lack foresight. So they aren't really thinking proactively.

FWIW, the ACC is dead. Given the state of the sport, there's no growth here or even preserving status quo. The question is whether they are gonna choose to die a slow death or recognize the real world, blow it up, and let each school do what's best themselves. The longer they wait, the less value each school is gonna have.
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I can see Notre Dame and Stanford being added to the Big Xii for either all sports OR with a football deal like ND has - with ND and Stanford being partial members for football (4-5 games each per year) and being a combined NBC package (if they are all willing to re-negotiate).
 
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