TOP 25... Overrated & Underrated

Across The Field said:
I'd say at best you are in the 2nd tier but it's not because of recruiting. From 2019-2022, the average michigan recruiting class was 10th nationally while the average OSU class was 6th. Winning the B1G isn't an enormous accomplishment for a team with michigan's talent, or at least it shouldn't be.
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Stop it. The difference between a top 10 recruiting class or 10th in this case and a top 5 recruiting class, which OSU regularly brings in is ENORMOUS.

The one year we were 10th, you were 5th. It was the year we signed AJ Henning. He was our top recruit. If you put AJ Henning in OSU's recruiting class that year -- he would have been like the 8th or 9th ranked recruit. THAT is how big the difference is.

If UM were bringing in OSU recruiting classes every year -- I'd fully expect to punish OSU every year. Just the level of recruits and the amount of depth is leaps and bounds higher at OSU. That's what signing top 5 classes gets you.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Stop it. The difference between a top 10 recruiting class or 10th in this case and a top 5 recruiting class, which OSU regularly brings in is ENORMOUS.

The one year we were 10th, you were 5th. It was the year we signed AJ Henning. He was our top recruit. If you put AJ Henning in OSU's recruiting class that year -- he would have been like the 8th or 9th ranked recruit. THAT is how big the difference is.

If UM were bringing in OSU recruiting classes every year -- I'd fully expect to punish OSU every year. Just the level of recruits and the amount of depth is leaps and bounds higher at OSU. That's what signing top 5 classes gets you.
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LOLOL
 
Across The Field said:
LOL it's hilarious you keep trying to perpetuate this even though it's baseless.
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We threw for almost as many yards as we ran for last year. On top of that -- our #1 all-american RB didn't even play but one snap. Yet you STILL used that same strategy. Why do you think they did that? What happened to the front 7 of OSU the year before? I will give you a hint -- many of those same players were blown off the ball and couldn't hold up against UM's OL. How do you alleviate that issue? You bring more guys than the OL can block, which is what OSU tried to do, unsucessfully.

So you can call it baseless or whatever you'd like. The ONLY reason to use that defense against Michigan is if you have zero trust your defensive front could hold up. I will go a step further. How many other games during the year did you see OSU have their LB's shooting the run gaps and leaving their secondary alone the majority of the game?
 
Across The Field said:
LOLOL
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Here is to show you the difference between a top 5 and top 10 class. You said OSU was 5th and Michigan 10th over the last 4 years.

In that time period -- OSU has signed 16 five star recruits. Michigan has signed 4 five star recruits.
In that time period -- OSU has signed 31 top 100 recruits. Michgan has signed 9 top 100 recruits.

This is from 2019-2022. That is the ENORMOUS difference between a top 10 recruiting class and a top 5 recruiting class. It also shows how badly OSU has been out coached by UM, as they are vastly more talented. Give Harbaugh the classes OSU gets and the game would be a mismatch.
 
Voltaire said:
You will have to excuse me while I look at ohio state for what they are ... a team that has repeatedly being one of the best programs in the NCAA. That doesn't mean I don't hate ohio state it means that I respect the enemy. Only a fool would not.
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And I don't want to think I'm MnB -- I have the utmost respect for OSU. They have dominated the B1G and is one of the very few teams who can recruit with the likes of Bama and Georgia. Hell -- I WISH UM could recruit like they can, but know it will never happen, unless Michigan becomes a hot bed for high school talent, which will NOT be happening.

That being said -- 2024, imo, we will be back to Michigan being a big underdog to OSU, unless Jadyn Davis is truly an elite QB and can step on the campus ready to sling the ball around. With our backups both leaving -- we are left with little behind McCarthy. So we are in serious trouble in 2024 if we don't find a QB.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Here is to show you the difference between a top 5 and top 10 class. You said OSU was 5th and Michigan 10th over the last 4 years.

In that time period -- OSU has signed 16 five star recruits. Michigan has signed 4 five star recruits.
In that time period -- OSU has signed 31 top 100 recruits. Michgan has signed 9 top 100 recruits.

This is from 2019-2022. That is the ENORMOUS difference between a top 10 recruiting class and a top 5 recruiting class. It also shows how badly OSU has been out coached by UM, as they are vastly more talented. Give Harbaugh the classes OSU gets and the game would be a mismatch.
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LMAO oh man you have got me cackling over here with this.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
We threw for almost as many yards as we ran for last year. On top of that -- our #1 all-american RB didn't even play but one snap. Yet you STILL used that same strategy. Why do you think they did that? What happened to the front 7 of OSU the year before? I will give you a hint -- many of those same players were blown off the ball and couldn't hold up against UM's OL. How do you alleviate that issue? You bring more guys than the OL can block, which is what OSU tried to do, unsucessfully.

So you can call it baseless or whatever you'd like. The ONLY reason to use that defense against Michigan is if you have zero trust your defensive front could hold up. I will go a step further. How many other games during the year did you see OSU have their LB's shooting the run gaps and leaving their secondary alone the majority of the game?
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Dude stop acting like michigan was special. You had 3 pass plays that made up for JJ's entire day. Guys like Bennett, Taulia, and Clifford were WAY more impressive against OSU.
 
Across The Field said:
LMAO oh man you have got me cackling over here with this.
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Look what he has done to Day without all the high end recruits Ohio State has had at their disposal. You, in essence, have averaged 3 five star recruits and 5 top 100 recruits more than Michigan EVERY YEAR.

OSU, with the vast talent differential, shouldn't ever lose the B1G.
 
Across The Field said:
Dude stop acting like michigan was special. You had 3 pass plays that made up for JJ's entire day. Guys like Bennett, Taulia, and Clifford were WAY more impressive against OSU.
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You mean the 75 yard touchdown, the other 75 yard touchdown and the other 45 yard touchdown? Those "three plays"?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Look what he has done to Day without all the high end recruits Ohio State has had at their disposal. You, in essence, have averaged 3 five star recruits and 5 top 100 recruits more than Michigan EVERY YEAR.

OSU, with the vast talent differential, shouldn't ever lose the B1G.
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LOL we never should've lost to Iowa or Purdue the way we did either. College football is unpredictable. It is hilarious that you see two games and think you have Day entirely figured out though.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You mean the 75 yard touchdown, the other 75 yard touchdown and the other 45 yard touchdown? Those "three plays"?
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The one that was entirely YAC, the one where his WR was completely wide open and he still threw a shitty pass, or the one where the OSU DBs ran into each other while a third tripped and fell leaving a dude, yet again, entirely wide open? Your QB is as mediocre as they come, especially considering he was a 5* and your coach was supposed to be the genius with developing QBs lol
 
Red_Alert said:
This 4 page debate would be perfect in this other thread....

Just sayin'

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Across The Field said:
@Red_Alert Alright, thread's all yours.
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Obviously it wasn't.

8 of 9 pages now about past (off-topic) Michigan/Ohio St.

Y'all knuckleheads actually got two threads going arguing the same shit over and over.
Just take it to the Michigan/Ohio St thread so the rest of us don't have to scroll past page after page of the BS. TIA

 
Across The Field said:
The one that was entirely YAC, the one where his WR was completely wide open and he still threw a shitty pass, or the one where the OSU DBs ran into each other while a third tripped and fell leaving a dude, yet again, entirely wide open? Your QB is as mediocre as they come, especially considering he was a 5* and your coach was supposed to be the genius with developing QBs lol
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It is so funny how much you try to grasp at straws. My favorite is the JJ McCarthy comments, when the guy just gone curb stomping OSU by 3+ tds. You literally dared him to beat you and he did, ON YOUR HOME FIELD. He not only threw for 3 tds and almost 300 yards, he also ran for another td. So if he is "as mediocre as they come", what do you call OSU's defense, as a whole?
 
Across The Field said:
LOL we never should've lost to Iowa or Purdue the way we did either. College football is unpredictable. It is hilarious that you see two games and think you have Day entirely figured out though.
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It isn't two random games -- it is two games against the same team playing the exact same style. Then seeing Georgia do the same thing, who plays the same way Michigan does.

It really is a shame the defense is so soft under Day -- you have a national championship offense.
 
Clemson…. I’m honestly torn, My gut says give em the benefit of the doubt and have em top…3? 4? Or so, That QB looked good at times for a first year froshy, Dabo ain’t gonna let that offense look that bad again right?…

Then again, that offense was pretty brutal last year…
 
Voltaire said:
Let's get it back on track

#5 Penn State too high

#19 Oklahoma too low
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Now I'd have those reversed if anything. I think PSU at 5 is solid, I think they are going to be really good this year - like, win the conference and go 13-0 good. Oklahoma, meanwhile, is just getting by because of their history. This roster has nothing that seems impressive. I could see this season being similar to last year for them tbh.
 
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