Tournament Thread - B1G Tournament

[duckboy33]

A foul by definition is breaking the rules. What you’re saying is that it’s not against the rules to purposefully break the rules.

People break the rules intentionally in football all the time if it’s to their advantage to do so.

 

[Wamu]

A foul is not "breaking the rules" it's simply a foul. There is no rule against fouling. There is a rule that if you foul the other team gets rewarded somehow. Whether it's by possession or free throws and if you foul too much you have to sit out the rest of the game.

Do you get mad at football when a DB who just got beat deep grabs the receiver to prevent a touchdown? How bout a team taking a delay of game to get the FG kicker a better angle or the punter more space?

Did you know Ohio State "breaks the rules" each time they beat meeeechegan?

 

[fishinabarrel]

Love the fight though, playing a bad game, Liddell was awful, Young out. Gotta play better in the tourney though but with Washington playing like this it gives them a chance in most games at best

Washington has showed up big for them against every tough opponent they face pretty much. I love that kids game.

I like the fight against a very hot Illinois team. Got down big early and clawed their way back in despite Lidell playing awful and Young being out. Can't wait for the Tourney to start.

Congrats on the win Illinois and @SJ76 . B1G postseason and co-season champs (lol)

 

[SJ76]

Washington has showed up big for them against every tough opponent they face pretty much. I love that kids game.

I like the fight against a very hot Illinois team. Got down big early and clawed their way back in despite Lidell playing awful and Young being out. Can't wait for the Tourney to start.

Congrats on the win Illinois and @SJ76 . B1G postseason and co-season champs (lol)

Dam right man good luck to you all in the dance. I’ll break off the kybosh on EJ so he will light it up in the tourney.

 

[hawkfan]

OSU covers on that last second 3

Fuck you

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

People break the rules intentionally in football all the time if it’s to their advantage to do so.

Like? A lot of football rules are set up to purposefully stop this. Hence coaches being able to decline most penalties. It's pretty rare that someone finds a situation where they can do something against the rules to gain an advantage. They've also implemented 10 second runoffs to do this as well. I'd love that shit in basketball, coaches being able to take or decline a foul and just get the ball back with a reset shot clock. There, problem solved.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

A foul is not "breaking the rules" it's simply a foul. There is no rule against fouling. There is a rule that if you foul the other team gets rewarded somehow. Whether it's by possession or free throws and if you foul too much you have to sit out the rest of the game.

Do you get mad at football when a DB who just got beat deep grabs the receiver to prevent a touchdown? How bout a team taking a delay of game to get the FG kicker a better angle or the punter more space?

It's a foul because it's against the rules of basketball to do. They're using fouls to gain a clock advantage down the line. I think the college rule of PA is a bad one, in the NFL that very thing is mostly stopped by giving people a spot foul or if done in the end zone, putting it on the 1 yard line. A delay of game penalty can be declined in football.

 

[duckboy33]

Like? A lot of football rules are set up to purposefully stop this. Hence coaches being able to decline most penalties. It's pretty rare that someone finds a situation where they can do something against the rules to gain an advantage. They've also implemented 10 second runoffs to do this as well. I'd love that shit in basketball, coaches being able to take or decline a foul and just get the ball back with a reset shot clock. There, problem solved.

DBs grabbing a WR when they get beat because they only want to give up the 15 yards. Taking a delay of game because you want to run the clock down. It happens all the time

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Aren't you being a little overly technical? You're just looking for reasons to not like basketball. But you never answered my question from yesterday. Do you like watching cars drive in circles?

I gave you the primary reason, the game means nothing in the first half and really the first 10 minutes of the second half. Unless it's a complete and utter blowout (20+ points) the only tihng that really matters is the last 10 minutes.

 

[jontaejones]

I gave you the primary reason, the game means nothing in the first half and really the first 10 minutes of the second half. Unless it's a complete and utter blowout (20+ points) the only tihng that really matters is the last 10 minutes.

It just depends which sport you like.

I can watch teenagers at the park playing pickup. I love the game.

As far as your point ... it's the same with all the other sports. You can watch Alabama play Clemson or the Yankess play the Sox and as long as the score is close at the end ... you didn't really miss anything. soccer would be the exception. I actually like the ebb and flow of basketball. You can see the runs coming.

Unlike say soccer ... one mistake and you're done...

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It just depends which sport you like.

I can watch teenagers at the park playing pickup. I love the game.

As far as your point ... it's the same with all the other sports. You can watch Alabama play Clemson or the Yankess play the Sox and as long as the score is close at the end ... you didn't really miss anything. soccer would be the exception. I actually like the ebb and flow of basketball. You can see the runs coming.

Unlike say soccer ... one mistake and you're done...

Football is the only sport where I can watch a random Thursday night game in the Conference USA. I would probably rank watching hockey next, but only if it's a team I follow, I can't watch baseball on TV but love it in person an basketball is probably last for me. I just can't get into the first half because it truly has no impact on what happens in the second half.

Like I watched Michigan blank OSU in hockey last night.

 

[Wamu]

I gave you the primary reason, the game means nothing in the first half and really the first 10 minutes of the second half. Unless it's a complete and utter blowout (20+ points) the only tihng that really matters is the last 10 minutes.

The game means nothing in the first half or the first ten minutes of the second half? Anyone that knows the game would disagree with you.

 

[Wamu]

It just depends which sport you like.

I can watch teenagers at the park playing pickup. I love the game.

As far as your point ... it's the same with all the other sports. You can watch Alabama play Clemson or the Yankess play the Sox and as long as the score is close at the end ... you didn't really miss anything. soccer would be the exception. I actually like the ebb and flow of basketball. You can see the runs coming.

Unlike say soccer ... one mistake and you're done...

mNb09 said in a different comment that the game means nothing in the first half and only the last ten minutes of the game matters. It would easier for him to say he hates basketball rather than saying something that's incorrect.

 

[jontaejones]

I just can't get into the first half because it truly has no impact on what happens in the second half.

You could argue the same exact thing for football.

A team can be getting trounced in the 1st half and then just turn on the jets and be a different team.

Happens all the time. It's no different.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The game means nothing in the first half or the first ten minutes of the second half? Anyone that knows the game would disagree with you.

I know this is a very small anecdotal sample size, but I think it proves my point. Michigan Ohio State, game was basically even at halftime. With about 9 minutes left OSU had a 10 point lead. OSU basically kept that lead until about 2:50 left in the game where htey had a 9 point lead. In hte next 2 minutes and 51 seconds through a combination of quick scoring and clock manipulation through fouling, Michigan ended up with a shot to win the game in the final seconds. Nothing in that game mattered except the final 3 minutes.

I think what I don't like is that no lead is protected in basketball unless it's massive 25+ points. It's common for the exact scenario above to play out in the last 5 minutes and usually a result of the clock manipulation of fouling. I hate it.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You could argue the same exact thing for football.

A team can be getting trounced in the 1st half and then just turn on the jets and be a different team.

Happens all the time. It's no different.

It's a bit different though and I think the difference is that in basketball scores are regular and consistent. It's a game of keep up and the team that doesn't keep up with the scoring, probably loses. Unless the game is really close, it rarely comes down to the final 5 minutes or so. In basketball it's rare that a game doesn't come down to the final 5 minutes.

 

[rmilia1]

I know this is a very small anecdotal sample size, but I think it proves my point. Michigan Ohio State, game was basically even at halftime. With about 9 minutes left OSU had a 10 point lead. OSU basically kept that lead until about 2:50 left in the game where htey had a 9 point lead. In hte next 2 minutes and 51 seconds through a combination of quick scoring and clock manipulation through fouling, Michigan ended up with a shot to win the game in the final seconds. Nothing in that game mattered except the final 3 minutes.

I think what I don't like is that no lead is protected in basketball unless it's massive 25+ points. It's common for the exact scenario above to play out in the last 5 minutes and usually a result of the clock manipulation of fouling. I hate it.

Using that logic nothing in any close sporting event matters til the last 3 minutes . OSU got outscored late but won the game BECAUSE of the first 38 minutes.

Every sport has close games and blowouts

Every sport let's the teams who are behind use a different game plan from what they normally would to try and catch up

In basketball you foul late to stop the clock

In football you intentionally ground the ball to stop the clock

In hockey you pull your goalie

In baseball you see pinch hitters, pinch runners and 3 pitchers on one inning

 

[Wamu]

I know this is a very small anecdotal sample size, but I think it proves my point. Michigan Ohio State, game was basically even at halftime. With about 9 minutes left OSU had a 10 point lead. OSU basically kept that lead until about 2:50 left in the game where htey had a 9 point lead. In hte next 2 minutes and 51 seconds through a combination of quick scoring and clock manipulation through fouling, Michigan ended up with a shot to win the game in the final seconds. Nothing in that game mattered except the final 3 minutes.

I think what I don't like is that no lead is protected in basketball unless it's massive 25+ points. It's common for the exact scenario above to play out in the last 5 minutes and usually a result of the clock manipulation of fouling. I hate it.

You wouldn't be saying any of this had meeeechegan won. This reminds me a little how you insisted for about a year and half that meeechegan beat Ohio State in 2016.

 

[Kburjr]

Hach-a-shaq. Fouling to gain advantage. Valid strategy

 

[jontaejones]

It's a bit different though and I think the difference is that in basketball scores are regular and consistent. It's a game of keep up and the team that doesn't keep up with the scoring, probably loses. Unless the game is really close, it rarely comes down to the final 5 minutes or so. In basketball it's rare that a game doesn't come down to the final 5 minutes.

That's exactly what makes the sport good. The scores are so detailed and you can make the spreads detailed. It's the best sport to bet on. Betting on baseball is a nightmare.

Football is a good sport too, but the new OT rules in college football stink.