Under the Porch with the Guide Bear!

Often times in these situations we tend to focus only on our own feelings and frustrations, never considering what the other party(ies) we are in conflict with may be feeling or what frustrates them.

The old saying "It takes two to tango" is very apt in these situations. Sometimes we need to try and see things as they may be seeing them. Try looking at the dynamic of your father son relationship from his perspective and it may be a humbling experience and may just maybe, let you understand the son is a product of his parents parenting skills.

So at the risk of upsetting you maybe I can also enlighten you to other things to consider.

Now granted I know nothing of the true dynamics of the real facts or even when you became disabled or how old all the parties were when it happened...... but consider some things that may not be getting considered.

Now then, your son probably feels you judge him unfairly....and this may or may not have been something he has felt for many, many years. His lack of ambition may be a result of his low-self esteem from years of being judged in a negative manner. So he may feel he can never satisfy your expectations for him so he doesn't even try anymore. So he feels like you judge him as "less" of a son than other people's sons. How could he not when he hears you compare his lack of accomplishments or abilities with other men his age. And I can tell you are actually ashamed of him and consider him an embarrassment. He probably knows all this if in fact it is the case and now you should consider what that may be like...or was like as he was coming up.


Now then....Let's consider YOUR defects in this situation. (This the part that may upset you so be ready)

In all your own strongly held beliefs that your son was coming up short in his role as your son...have you considered how you may have come up short as his father?

You think he doesn't measure up to other "sons" his age but have you also judged yourself as a father to him against all the other fathers he may have come in contact with over the years?

Like I mentioned earlier in this post, It takes two to tango. There is always another side to the coin.
I'm not sure if this even applies not knowing when you became disabled, but if it was when he was just a boy, he may have dealt with things you haven't considered. Have you considered that maybe he was picked on as a child because of your disability? If it's fair for you to judge him coming up short as his son, perhaps he is judging you as coming up short as his father. It sounds cruel, but is judging him not also cruel?

There seems to be a common thread in these conflicts you are having with your family and hers....you are quick to judge them and then label them as something less than desirable.

But I wonder what the boy thought all those years his father was unable to do "Father and son things" he observed others doing that his father was incapable of doing because of his disability.

Does he call you a cripple or judge you negatively because of your disabling condition? I mean to be fair...if you can judge him and call him names why would he feel obligated to be nice?

Your disability, whether you acknowledge it or not, affected you, Bunny and the son. It's not just you that is a victim.

Now like I said....maybe none of that above applies and I'm just trying to get you to see things from another perspective in the hopes it may resonate with you.

Sounds like your son has issues with you. Sounds like Bunny has issues with you too. If she is the love of your life and the boy is your heir, you should try to do whatever you can to make things better between everyone involved. But first we have to recognize our own shortcomings and try to change the things we are doing that may be causing conflict with the family we have. It's just unavoidable that something has to change. That change may have to come through you.
 
Often times in these situations we tend to focus only on our own feelings and frustrations, never considering what the other party(ies) we are in conflict with may be feeling or what frustrates them.

The old saying "It takes two to tango" is very apt in these situations. Sometimes we need to try and see things as they may be seeing them. Try looking at the dynamic of your father son relationship from his perspective and it may be a humbling experience and may just maybe, let you understand the son is a product of his parents parenting skills.

So at the risk of upsetting you maybe I can also enlighten you to other things to consider.

Now granted I know nothing of the true dynamics of the real facts or even when you became disabled or how old all the parties were when it happened...... but consider some things that may not be getting considered.

Now then, your son probably feels you judge him unfairly....and this may or may not have been something he has felt for many, many years. His lack of ambition may be a result of his low-self esteem from years of being judged in a negative manner. So he may feel he can never satisfy your expectations for him so he doesn't even try anymore. So he feels like you judge him as "less" of a son than other people's sons. How could he not when he hears you compare his lack of accomplishments or abilities with other men his age. And I can tell you are actually ashamed of him and consider him an embarrassment. He probably knows all this if in fact it is the case and now you should consider what that may be like...or was like as he was coming up.


Now then....Let's consider YOUR defects in this situation. (This the part that may upset you so be ready)

In all your own strongly held beliefs that your son was coming up short in his role as your son...have you considered how you may have come up short as his father?

You think he doesn't measure up to other "sons" his age but have you also judged yourself as a father to him against all the other fathers he may have come in contact with over the years?

Like I mentioned earlier in this post, It takes two to tango. There is always another side to the coin.
I'm not sure if this even applies not knowing when you became disabled, but if it was when he was just a boy, he may have dealt with things you haven't considered. Have you considered that maybe he was picked on as a child because of your disability? If it's fair for you to judge him coming up short as his son, perhaps he is judging you as coming up short as his father. It sounds cruel, but is judging him not also cruel?

There seems to be a common thread in these conflicts you are having with your family and hers....you are quick to judge them and then label them as something less than desirable.

But I wonder what the boy thought all those years his father was unable to do "Father and son things" he observed others doing that his father was incapable of doing because of his disability.

Does he call you a cripple or judge you negatively because of your disabling condition? I mean to be fair...if you can judge him and call him names why would he feel obligated to be nice?

Your disability, whether you acknowledge it or not, affected you, Bunny and the son. It's not just you that is a victim.

Now like I said....maybe none of that above applies and I'm just trying to get you to see things from another perspective in the hopes it may resonate with you.

Sounds like your son has issues with you. Sounds like Bunny has issues with you too. If she is the love of your life and the boy is your heir, you should try to do whatever you can to make things better between everyone involved. But first we have to recognize our own shortcomings and try to change the things we are doing that may be causing conflict with the family we have. It's just unavoidable that something has to change. That change may have to come through you.
That's a lot to digest, oh my, and it's very sobering too. I'm not at all upset about anything you wrote, just the opposite. I will be coming back to your comment numerous times to gather information that will help me get this fixed. I got the ball rolling yesterday on getting the VA involved with my situation so I'm gonna stay hopeful and keep doing things around the house. I told Bunny she should keep me around as a handy man and it made her laugh.

She won't be laughing when I back-charge her for that filthy stinking no good kitchen! :laugh:
 
Honestly you are doing him a disservice by not helping him see it. In a way you are enabling the denial by supporting him and making him think it’s ok.
You are SO full of shit! Not so much because you could be right or wrong but the reason you are SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT is because you think you have all the answers to EVERY THING!

I see right through you now and I have for a while. You are a dumb fuck busy body know-it-all. And you lie too.
 
You are SO full of shit! Not so much because you could be right or wrong but the reason you are SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT is because you think you have all the answers to EVERY THING!

I see right through you now and I have for a while. You are a dumb fuck busy body know-it-all. And you lie too.

Proverbs 25:17

This may be a good topic for your Sunday Sermon.
 
I’m not judging.... him as I understand why the anger issues are there but read the thread and he is in denial of them, ....even makes fun of it
God Damn it you are a stupid motherfucker! In the same sentence you say, 'not judging' you motherfuckin judge me!

So yeah, yer god damn right, I will 'make fun' of you for it.
 
God Damn it you are a stupid motherfucker! In the same sentence you say, 'not judging' you motherfuckin judge me!

So yeah, yer god damn right, I will 'make fun' of you for it.
You're in defense mode now and lashing out.

I actually haven't judged you but I did point out your anger issues within this thread. I followed it up with I get it but the real problem is your denial to see it.

You've done this before and gone ape shit saying I wanted you to fail on the DYI thread and nothing I said came anywhere close to that. You are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions and honestly, a lot of it doesn't make sense.

I mean if it makes you feel better to call me stupid and a liar then go right ahead, but that isn't going to get any traction because most of these guys have known me for over a decade and they know none of that is true. If you want what you type to be credible try taking your emotions off your sleeve and respond in a civil way.
 
You're in defense mode now and lashing out.

I actually haven't judged you but I did point out your anger issues within this thread. I followed it up with I get it but the real problem is your denial to see it.

You've done this before and gone ape shit saying I wanted you to fail on the DYI thread and nothing I said came anywhere close to that. You are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions and honestly, a lot of it doesn't make sense.

I mean if it makes you feel better to call me stupid and a liar then go right ahead, but that isn't going to get any traction because most of these guys have known me for over a decade and they know none of that is true. If you want what you type to be credible try taking your emotions off your sleeve and respond in a civil way.

you seriously think you didn’t judge him?
 
Proverbs 25:17

This may be a good topic for your Sunday Sermon.
You aren't helping this guy and you need to think that through. He is at a tipping point where he could still salvage his situation if he would do the counseling and take it seriously and try to sincerely fix the issue. It's not a joke anymore and the guy isn't your pet.

You've let this go a little too far this time.
 
you seriously think you didn’t judge him?
Pointing out his anger issues (that I've experienced) is not judging. Like I said he has a right but it would be wise to see it and how it could affect others. You can't ignore the obvious.
 
You aren't helping this guy and you need to think that through. He is at a tipping point where he could still salvage his situation if he would do the counseling and take it seriously and try to sincerely fix the issue. It's not a joke anymore and the guy isn't your pet.

You've let this go a little too far this time.

how am I “not helping him”? First, I pointed out (more than once) that he may have a common law marriage right. Second, I DID acknowledge he has an issue with anger (hell, he’s acknowledged that himself). All I said was YOU need to have some empathy for him and his situation. I think you were dead wrong the first time you put this guy on “full blast” and got called out by @Peter Gozintite for it and I think you’re dead wrong to continue doing it.

You have no idea about this guys life. All you know is what he’s posted here and for some stupid reason you’re JUDGING him about his whole life. Maybe you’re upset about “the ratings he’s giving you” (you mentioned that) or maybe you’re upset with him bc of his religion jokes (wouldn’t be the first time you’ve done that to somebody). Who knows but for the most part you’ve just blasted away at the guy and haven’t offered anything constructive. You think you blasting away at him is “helping him”? You really think that’s “helping him” with his “anger”? And you’re doing it PUBLICLY. You REALLY think that’s “helping him”?

people come here for all types of reasons but mostly because it’s enjoyable for them. It’s an escape from every day life. The dude is dealing with a lot. He’s putting it out there. Stop being a dick. You don’t know this guy any more or any less than you claim he knows you. You call him out but the second he calls you out you pull this “you don’t know me shit”? You don’t know him so stop acting like you do.

You’ve been out of line this entire discussion and didn’t take the hint the first time you were called out on it. Stop… stop being a dick. If you really wanna “help him” send him a PM. Offer your “advice” there.

Pretty ironic that the church guy isn’t the one giving him empathy but someone else is. He knows what his issues are. HE’S SAID IT. All you’re doing is piling on the guy.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself
 
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Pointing out his anger issues (that I've experienced) is not judging. Like I said he has a right but it would be wise to see it and how it could affect others. You can't ignore the obvious.

this shows how out of touch you really are
 
how am I “not helping him”? First, I pointed out (more than once) that he may have a common law marriage right. Second, I DID acknowledge he has an issue with anger (hell, he’s acknowledged that himself). All I said was YOU need to have some empathy for him and his situation. I think you were dead wrong the first time you put this guy on “full blast” and got called out by @Peter Gozintite for it and I think you’re dead wrong to continue doing it.

You have no idea about this guys life. All you know is what he’s posted here and for some stupid reason you’re JUDGING him about his whole life. Maybe you’re upset about “the ratings he’s giving you” (you mentioned that) or maybe you’re upset with him bc of his religion jokes (wouldn’t be the first time you’ve done that to somebody). Who knows but for the most part you’ve just blasted away at the guy and haven’t offered anything constructive. You think you blasting away at him is “helping him”? Helping him with his “anger”? And you’re doing it PUBLICLY. You REALLY think that’s “helping him”?

people come here for all types of reasons but mostly because it’s enjoyable for them. It’s an escape from every day life. The dude is dealing with a lot. He’s putting it out there. Stop being a dick. You don’t know this guy any more or any less than you claim he knows you. You call him out but the second he calls you out you pull this “you don’t know me shit”? You don’t know him so stop acting like you do.

You’ve been out of line this entire discussion and didn’t take the hint the first time you were called out on it. Stop… stop being a dick. If you really wanna “help him” send him a PM. Offer your “advice” there.

Pretty ironic that the church guy isn’t the one giving him empathy but someone else is. He knows what his issues are. HE’S SAID IT. All you’re doing is piling on the guy.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself
You win.
 
how am I “not helping him”? First, I pointed out (more than once) that he may have a common law marriage right. Second, I DID acknowledge he has an issue with anger (hell, he’s acknowledged that himself). All I said was YOU need to have some empathy for him and his situation. I think you were dead wrong the first time you put this guy on “full blast” and got called out by @Peter Gozintite for it and I think you’re dead wrong to continue doing it.

You have no idea about this guys life. All you know is what he’s posted here and for some stupid reason you’re JUDGING him about his whole life. Maybe you’re upset about “the ratings he’s giving you” (you mentioned that) or maybe you’re upset with him bc of his religion jokes (wouldn’t be the first time you’ve done that to somebody). Who knows but for the most part you’ve just blasted away at the guy and haven’t offered anything constructive. You think you blasting away at him is “helping him”? You really think that’s “helping him” with his “anger”? And you’re doing it PUBLICLY. You REALLY think that’s “helping him”?

people come here for all types of reasons but mostly because it’s enjoyable for them. It’s an escape from every day life. The dude is dealing with a lot. He’s putting it out there. Stop being a dick. You don’t know this guy any more or any less than you claim he knows you. You call him out but the second he calls you out you pull this “you don’t know me shit”? You don’t know him so stop acting like you do.

You’ve been out of line this entire discussion and didn’t take the hint the first time you were called out on it. Stop… stop being a dick. If you really wanna “help him” send him a PM. Offer your “advice” there.

Pretty ironic that the church guy isn’t the one giving him empathy but someone else is. He knows what his issues are. HE’S SAID IT. All you’re doing is piling on the guy.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself
Lot of words.

Some truth to some of it to be fair.
- Not sure about the "full blast and Peter calling me out' so bump that for reference.
- Don't like the disrespecting the Catholic Mass part so that is true
- Never said he didn't know shit about me because I don't care, just pointed out I'm not a liar and you know that to be true
- It comes naturally to be a dick so I'll own that
- You did give some very good legal advice so props
- Don't care about negative ratings as Peter gives me more than anyone on this site!

My main point of contention with you on this thread is this guy looks up to you and Peter (no issue with that as it could so much worse) and I think you have an opportunity here to really encourage him to take advantage of the counseling at the VA and to take it seriously. Let's be honest if he is lashing out at home like he is at some the posters here on this treads, and it's 0 to 100 mph in 2 seconds, learning some coping skills would be a great thing.

I'd actually like that you guys have adopted him and it was actually kind of you (although encouraging him to disrespect the Mass to bug me and share intimate details of his sexual life were a bit much). It was a fun read to see it play out until it got way too REAL. Take a step back, remember you have a potential opportunity to make a positive difference and let's get this guy into that counseling and encourage him to swallow the anger for a bit and work on fixing this instead of walking away.

Just my two cents.

You guys might be able to pull this off and it would be super cool.
 
Lot of words.

Some truth to some of it to be fair.
- Not sure about the "full blast and Peter calling me out' so bump that for reference.
- Don't like the disrespecting the Catholic Mass part so that is true
- Never said he didn't know shit about me because I don't care, just pointed out I'm not a liar and you know that to be true
- It comes naturally to be a dick so I'll own that
- You did give some very good legal advice so props
- Don't care about negative ratings as Peter gives me more than anyone on this site!

My main point of contention with you on this thread is this guy looks up to you and Peter (no issue with that as it could so much worse) and I think you have an opportunity here to really encourage him to take advantage of the counseling at the VA and to take it seriously. Let's be honest if he is lashing out at home like he is at some the posters here on this treads, and it's 0 to 100 mph in 2 seconds, learning some coping skills would be a great thing.

I'd actually like that you guys have adopted him and it was actually kind of you (although encouraging him to disrespect the Mass to bug me and share intimate details of his sexual life were a bit much). It was a fun read to see it play out until it got way too REAL. Take a step back, remember you have a potential opportunity to make a positive difference and let's get this guy into that counseling and encourage him to swallow the anger for a bit and work on fixing this instead of walking away.

Just my two cents.

You guys might be able to pull this off and it would be super cool.

Peter has given him excellent advice IMO. Almost each time he did I gave his advice a positive ratings. I didn’t feel it was appropriate to repeat what Peter said so instead I tried to be make him laugh with some humor. I tried to lighten his mood. To me that was my way of “helping him”.

IMO you never tried to “help him”. You took his real life situation as an opportunity to get “back at him” for his jokes about religion. YOU were the one who took that stuff too seriously. YOU were the one who had a problem with it. It was YOU who came back at him… hard (no, I’m not gonna repeat it. It’s there for you to read). You did it NOT to help him but bc you were pissed off. He claims he saw right thru you. Maybe that’s what he meant.

If you don’t like what’s in a thread either ignore it or don’t go to the thread but stop kicking the guy when he’s down.
 
I think WTs heart is in the right place, and being Catholic is going to make him judgemental, and vengeful by nature. Not really his fault.

I think parka acknowledges he isn't perfect. Would like to see him use the therapy to work on himself. It can't hurt to vent to someone, and I think takes a tremendous amount of courage to fully trust another person, and be honest/vulnerable enough to actually seek help.
 
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