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With the 25th anniversary of this coming up, what a perfect way to start this thread:

Everybody involved in the Montreal Screwjob was full of shit.

Bret Hart knew better. You are leaving a promotion. You drop the belt. The son of a promoter knows that.

That being said, fuck Vince! Who the hell is Vince to give a speech on time honored traditions. Vince tried to bribe Harley Race into skipping the first Starcade and take the NWA title to the WWF. He did get Ric Flair to send the WCW title to him so he could put that on WWF television. Vince"s time honored tradition speech may be the most hypocritical thing ever said on wrestler television.

Then there is the Headache Kid Who Lost His Smile. I don't fault Shawn for the match itself. You do what your boss tells you to do at work. But maybe all that could have been avoided if Michaels just thanked Bret for dropping the title to him at Wrestlemania instead of instructing the referee to tell Bret to "get the fuck out of my ring".

The Montreal Screwjob had no good guys. Only a couple prima donnas who were marks for themselves and a piece of shit promoter who didn't preach what he practiced.
 
Everyone wants to talk about "what killed professional wrestling." Was it Russo? Jim Herd? Vince McMahon?

None of the above.

A little while back there was a popular show on HBO called Game of Thrones. Some of you may have heard of that. Some of you may have watched it.

Did you know, people despised the Joffrey character so much that the actor who played him would receive death threats because of the actions of the character that he played.

People used to do that with wrestlers too.

Until smarks happened. Now, villains like Adam Cole and Kevin Owens are cheered because of their "work rate" and "five star matches". Fans knowing about "works" and "shoots" and "kayfabe" did more damage to the wrestling business than Katie Vick ever could.

What killed professional wrestling?

The creation of the "smark".
 
Texans? Never Heard of Them said:
With the 25th anniversary of this coming up, what a perfect way to start this thread:

Everybody involved in the Montreal Screwjob was full of shit.

Bret Hart knew better. You are leaving a promotion. You drop the belt. The son of a promoter knows that.

That being said, fuck Vince! Who the hell is Vince to give a speech on time honored traditions. Vince tried to bribe Harley Race into skipping the first Starcade and take the NWA title to the WWF. He did get Ric Flair to send the WCW title to him so he could put that on WWF television. Vince"s time honored tradition speech may be the most hypocritical thing ever said on wrestler television.

Then there is the Headache Kid Who Lost His Smile. I don't fault Shawn for the match itself. You do what your boss tells you to do at work. But maybe all that could have been avoided if Michaels just thanked Bret for dropping the title to him at Wrestlemania instead of instructing the referee to tell Bret to "get the fuck out of my ring".

The Montreal Screwjob had no good guys. Only a couple prima donnas who were marks for themselves and a piece of shit promoter who didn't preach what he practiced.
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Bret’s contract didn’t expire for 2 weeks after that.

He provided multiple ways to do it.

We have it on video want Vince and hbk did

This take just denies parts of reality
 
Texans? Never Heard of Them said:
Everyone wants to talk about "what killed professional wrestling." Was it Russo? Jim Herd? Vince McMahon?

None of the above.

A little while back there was a popular show on HBO called Game of Thrones. Some of you may have heard of that. Some of you may have watched it.

Did you know, people despised the Joffrey character so much that the actor who played him would receive death threats because of the actions of the character that he played.

People used to do that with wrestlers too.

Until smarks happened. Now, villains like Adam Cole and Kevin Owens are cheered because of their "work rate" and "five star matches". Fans knowing about "works" and "shoots" and "kayfabe" did more damage to the wrestling business than Katie Vick ever could.

What killed professional wrestling?

The creation of the "smark".
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Yes.

And anyone what says those things about midget boy Cole needs to be shot anyway
 
The most overrated current wrestlers

Becky Lynch
Bianca belaire
Adam Cole
Britt baker
Kevin Owens


The first two might be the two worst promos in all of wrestling. And are sloppy as all hell.

Cole is just impossibly overrated one every way.

Baker rips other people off. Nothing original about her and mediocre in the ring

Owens is fine. But he’s a solid upper card guy to help others get over.
 
The greatest work in the history of professional wrestling did not happen inside a wrestling ring.

In fact, it didn't even happen on a wrestling show.

It took place on the David Letterman show. It was the Jerry Lawler Andy Kaufman episode.

Wrestling fans thought it was real. Non wrestling fans thought it was real. The people who were totally convinced wrestling is fake thought it was real.

David Letterman even thought it was real.

Now that is how to do a work.
 
Montreal Screwjob was a work.

-Brett's life is pro-wrestling, he understands kayfabe, WWF/E, Vince meant the world to him, his entire family had a long standing good relationship with Vince and the WWF/E. Brett's whole life was the WWF.

-Brett coincidentally has a media crew following him around and documenting his last few months with the WWF, which was documenting him before it was even known for sure he was leaving for WCW.

-Vince simply could not afford to pay Brett what he was being offered at WCW. In the time, in the moment, Brett going to WCW was best for Brett, he would get paid more, he would be one of WCW's top stars. Letting Brett go to WCW was basically a gift from Vince to Brett and they worked together to send him off with controversy that would both benefit Brett, and WWF. I believe there was an agreement here that Brett and Vince worked together on the Screwjob. Think about it, Brett goes to WCW red hot with intrigue and a major buzz amongst wrestling fans, but at the same time WWF gets major buzz and coverage and it kicked off the Attitude Era.

-Brett has a documentary crew following him for months leading up to the Montreal Screwjob, then, they don't capture what would be the biggest moment of the documentary? The moment Brett punches Vince in the face? They dont capture that on film???

-Vince, after getting spat on, allows Brett Hart to continue to just destroy monitors and exhibit his rage as the cameras keep rolling? If this was legit, Vince cuts off the PPV after HBK takes the belt.

-The only thing about the Montreal Screwjob that I am unsure about is whether or not HBK knew about it. Maybe he does now, maybe they let him in on it years ago after he got clean, but at the time he very well could've thought it was real.

As years have gone on and the more and more i think about it, the more and more obvious it is that this was a work. I just wonder if one day we will ever be told the true story?
 
The least important concept in the history of professional wrestling is the so-called five star match.

So-and-so has had more five star matches than this wrestler or that wrestler.

Big deal.

To paraphrase Kevin Nash, how about five star merchandise sales?

Professional wrestling always has been and always will be about drawing money.

Hulk Hogan and Mr. T vs Roddy Piper and Mister Wonderful at Wrestlemania 1 will never be considered a five star match. But name one five star match in the last ten years that had as much importance to the wrestling industry as that match did.

Hogan-Andre at Wrestlemania 3 will never be called a five star match. But no five star match in the history of professional wrestling has ever meant as much to the business as that match did.

The creation of match star ratings was nothing more than a masturbatory practice of delusional self-importance made by a man who never wrestled a match or booked a show in his entire life.

Dave Meltzer.
 
Texans? Never Heard of Them said:
The least important concept in the history of professional wrestling is the so-called five star match.

So-and-so has had more five star matches than this wrestler or that wrestler.

Big deal.

To paraphrase Kevin Nash, how about five star merchandise sales?

Professional wrestling always has been and always will be about drawing money.

Hulk Hogan and Mr. T vs Roddy Piper and Mister Wonderful at Wrestlemania 1 will never be considered a five star match. But name one five star match in the last ten years that had as much importance to the wrestling industry as that match did.

Hogan-Andre at Wrestlemania 3 will never be called a five star match. But no five star match in the history of professional wrestling has ever meant as much to the business as that match did.

The creation of match star ratings was nothing more than a masturbatory practice of delusional self-importance made by a man who never wrestled a match or booked a show in his entire life.

Dave Meltzer.
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Love it

The best way to tell if someone is selling merch is how many products they have on wwe shop

If you have one shirt, you ain’t moving dick and they’re probably propogandaizing someone for their own reasons if they claim otherwise
 
The women should have their own show outside of raw or smackdown

Ideally on peacock, like main event

Only need one belt rather than two.


Gives peacock content from wwe and woke points

Keeps trash like Becky and Bianca off my screen


Everyone wins
 
Texans? Never Heard of Them said:
The least important concept in the history of professional wrestling is the so-called five star match.

So-and-so has had more five star matches than this wrestler or that wrestler.

Big deal.

To paraphrase Kevin Nash, how about five star merchandise sales?

Professional wrestling always has been and always will be about drawing money.

Hulk Hogan and Mr. T vs Roddy Piper and Mister Wonderful at Wrestlemania 1 will never be considered a five star match. But name one five star match in the last ten years that had as much importance to the wrestling industry as that match did.

Hogan-Andre at Wrestlemania 3 will never be called a five star match. But no five star match in the history of professional wrestling has ever meant as much to the business as that match did.

The creation of match star ratings was nothing more than a masturbatory practice of delusional self-importance made by a man who never wrestled a match or booked a show in his entire life.

Dave Meltzer.
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The only real 5 star match of all time is Wrestlemania 18 with Hogan and the Rock.
 
wazzu31 said:
The only real 5 star match of all time is Wrestlemania 18 with Hogan and the Rock.
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This match was incredible

That crowd was electric
 
The Q said:
This match was incredible

That crowd was electric
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Which is I say it is the only 5 star match ever. Meltzer hated it but no one in wrestling ever can say they drew that much money and had a match as perfect as that match was. Ever look those guys had during the match got bigger pops than anything Meltzer has given a 5 star for.
 
wazzu31 said:
Which is I say it is the only 5 star match ever. Meltzer hated it but no one in wrestling ever can say they drew that much money and had a match as perfect as that match was. Ever look those guys had during the match got bigger pops than anything Meltzer has given a 5 star for.
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Yeah. It was almost perfect for what it was
 
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