USC and Oregon To B1G rumor....

Thiefery said:
it could work, it would be strange a little bit, but it could work.. grab the LA schools, stanford, Cal, Udub,Oregon and Colorado. Big winner in this mix could be the Big12 who at that point, could poach ASU, AZ, and Utah

BiG West/Pacific
SC
UCLA
Stanford
UDub
Cal
Oregon
CU

Weird part would be that the cross over games would not happy very often since a deal like this probably guarantees the 9 game conference schedule. Just gotta rotate 2 games vs schools in the other divisions every season (No home and home). You keep divisions for schedule sake, however you just throw out the top 2 schools regardless of divisions in the CCG. With something like this, they would have a few at large bids with the expanded playoff model.

Just wonder at the end of the day if the money is worth this headache? Or will the BiG put pressure on the ACC and eventually get Duke, UVA..maybe FSU?
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Also, the whole idea of bringing in the PAC would be to increase elite game (4+ million eyeballs) inventory. To do that you have to get all the teams playing each other. Pods for sure, with a plus one, gets you 4 games in the west, and then 5 in the east.

One of the things I like the most about TX and OU coming to the SEC is it will force us to (1) pods, (2) 9 IC games, and (3) playing everyone every other year. That is what fans want to see, and what the TV contracts want to see.
 
Thiefery said:
it could work, it would be strange a little bit, but it could work.. grab the LA schools, stanford, Cal, Udub,Oregon and Colorado. Big winner in this mix could be the Big12 who at that point, could poach ASU, AZ, and Utah

BiG West/Pacific
SC
UCLA
Stanford
UDub
Cal
Oregon
CU

Weird part would be that the cross over games would not happy very often since a deal like this probably guarantees the 9 game conference schedule. Just gotta rotate 2 games vs schools in the other divisions every season (No home and home). You keep divisions for schedule sake, however you just throw out the top 2 schools regardless of divisions in the CCG. With something like this, they would have a few at large bids with the expanded playoff model.

Just wonder at the end of the day if the money is worth this headache? Or will the BiG put pressure on the ACC and eventually get Duke, UVA..maybe FSU?
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This is the only way it could work. There would have to be a west coast pod. There's no way the Big Ten could just add USC and Oregon and call it good.

But I agree with your last thought. I think it's far more likely the Big Ten starts poaching the ACC. North Carolina and Virginia being the main targets.
 
PAC really needs SC to return to form and for Oregon to keep up.. Utah can't hold this conference up
 
My friend told me that he's reading off another message board that SC is looking to go independent, and sign an agreement with the BiG to schedule 5 games or so with their schools.
 
Thiefery said:
My friend told me that he's reading off another message board that SC is looking to go independent, and sign an agreement with the BiG to schedule 5 games or so with their schools.
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I am worried USC is pulling a Nebraska and is just panicking due to their recent struggles. The Pac12 definitely is hurting on ratings but there are decent programs in the Pac12: UCLA, the two Arizonas, Utah, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, etc. The Pac12 just needs to find a way to market its product better to the local population. There is enough people on the West Coast for it to compete with the B1G and SEC if they can just get the population to tune in.
 
Thiefery said:
My friend told me that he's reading off another message board that SC is looking to go independent, and sign an agreement with the BiG to schedule 5 games or so with their schools.
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lol
 
Volbound1700 said:
Funny how you guys say that but love to talk about your two wins against two of the worse teams in Tennessee's history when we had first year coaches (Derek Dooley and Butch Jones in their first year).
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thats all fine but even if they were above average teams Oregon likely still wins both. 48-13 49-14
 
Thiefery said:
My friend told me that he's reading off another message board that SC is looking to go independent, and sign an agreement with the BiG to schedule 5 games or so with their schools.
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Who gets to pick the 5? Will they pick the shitty teams, like Iowa, to beat up on and claim they have a good record against P5?
 
Thiefery said:
PAC really needs SC to return to form and for Oregon to keep up.. Utah can't hold this conference up
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From the PAC's perspective, those are the programs I'm least worried about it. Oregon has been solid for a while and they have the money and commitment to compete in the NIL era. USC appears to be committed financially by bringing in Riley and competing in the NIL game.

The PAC's big issue is trying to figure out who else is committed. It doesn't appear Washington is serious about competing in NIL. UCLA has recruited poorly under CK. The PAC really needs 4-5 teams to be highly competitive if they want to start closing the revenue gap.
 
duckboy33 said:
This is the only way it could work. There would have to be a west coast pod. There's no way the Big Ten could just add USC and Oregon and call it good.

But I agree with your last thought. I think it's far more likely the Big Ten starts poaching the ACC. North Carolina and Virginia being the main targets.
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I do believe that UNC and UVa would be huge targets for the B1G, but I just don't know what that brings them. Going out West opens up all sorts of markets, great marquee games. Adding UNC and UVa just doesn't move the needle in my mind. Remember, no one is growing just to grow. With the schools in the B1G getting 110 million each by 2026, they have to bring some juice if they want a share of that pie.

That also means while you definately would have a west coast "pod" you have to mix them ... no one is paying to watch the West teams play each other ... they are wanting to watch USC, UCLA, Ore v. tOUS, PSU, UM, etc.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I am worried USC is pulling a Nebraska and is just panicking due to their recent struggles. The Pac12 definitely is hurting on ratings but there are decent programs in the Pac12: UCLA, the two Arizonas, Utah, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, etc. The Pac12 just needs to find a way to market its product better to the local population. There is enough people on the West Coast for it to compete with the B1G and SEC if they can just get the population to tune in.
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I agree with most of this. However, Nebraska's move to the Big Ten made more sense IMO. They aren't as geographically isolated in the Big Ten as USC would be. The new TV deal is really important for the PAC. They won't close the revenue gap but they need more visibility for the conference. I think the conference has pretty good stability because of the geography. It's much harder to raid the PAC than it is to raid the ACC or Big 12. There's a reason no PAC 12 team has left the conference.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I do believe that UNC and UVa would be huge targets for the B1G, but I just don't know what that brings them. Going out West opens up all sorts of markets, great marquee games. Adding UNC and UVa just doesn't move the needle in my mind. Remember, no one is growing just to grow. With the schools in the B1G getting 110 million each by 2026, they have to bring some juice if they want a share of that pie.

That also means while you definately would have a west coast "pod" you have to mix them ... no one is paying to watch the West teams play each other ... they are wanting to watch USC, UCLA, Ore v. tOUS, PSU, UM, etc.
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Virginia and North Carolina are growing states and the Big Ten wants to expand their footprint. It's similar to when they added Maryland and Rutgers, which despite the jokes, made the Big Ten a lot of money.

I agree with your thinking about the west coast pod situation. In football, it makes a lot more sense to have teams fly across the country to play each other. People will tune in for the big matchups. However, you don't want to do that in non-revenue sports as frequently. This is where I think a PAC/B1G "alliance" could take off. You could schedule those games as part of your content, without actually combining the conferences.
 
duckboy33 said:
Virginia and North Carolina are growing states and the Big Ten wants to expand their footprint. It's similar to when they added Maryland and Rutgers, which despite the jokes, made the Big Ten a lot of money.

I agree with your thinking about the west coast pod situation. In football, it makes a lot more sense to have teams fly across the country to play each other. People will tune in for the big matchups. However, you don't want to do that in non-revenue sports as frequently. This is where I think a PAC/B1G "alliance" could take off. You could schedule those games as part of your content, without actually combining the conferences.
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I am not saying that UNC and UVa wouldn't be targets ... they would and with their academics and basketball would be natural fits. That said, they way that value of teams is measured these days I am pretty sure that marquee match-ups is valued over a geographical area. Geographical area was once important because of the cable deals, etc. I think instead they look to see how many games will draw over 4 million viewers (or just a lot of viewers in general). My gut tells me picking up an entire sector of the US, with some high end football (and basketball) teams is better than NC and VA.
 
Thiefery said:
My friend told me that he's reading off another message board that SC is looking to go independent, and sign an agreement with the BiG to schedule 5 games or so with their schools.
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It could work out unless four of those five games were Rutgers, Illinois, Maryland and Indiana. Might as well stay with Cal, Zona, Colorado and Az State. But if four of them were tOSU, Sparty, Wisky and Nebraska...that'd be a different story.

I think the big name schools would be better off with independence in football and conference members for other sports. If they scheduled right they could name their prices for media rights...but they'd have to "unbundle" 'em. If each game were negotiated on a stand alone basis, I think those figures would be outta sight when they all played each other. And they'd still be decent when they played the rest. I'm pretty sure Notre Dame vs USC draws a hell of a lot more viewers than Notre Dame vs NC State does. But Notre Dame vs NC State would still draw more than Virginia vs NC State.

Would the media pony up on an ala carte basis?
 
fordman84 said:
Who gets to pick the 5? Will they pick the shitty teams, like Iowa, to beat up on and claim they have a good record against P5?
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shitty teams like Iowa?
in recent years Iowa has been far better than A&M
 
Thiefery said:
it could work, it would be strange a little bit, but it could work.. grab the LA schools, stanford, Cal, Udub,Oregon and Colorado. Big winner in this mix could be the Big12 who at that point, could poach ASU, AZ, and Utah

BiG West/Pacific
SC
UCLA
Stanford
UDub
Cal
Oregon
CU

Weird part would be that the cross over games would not happy very often since a deal like this probably guarantees the 9 game conference schedule. Just gotta rotate 2 games vs schools in the other divisions every season (No home and home). You keep divisions for schedule sake, however you just throw out the top 2 schools regardless of divisions in the CCG. With something like this, they would have a few at large bids with the expanded playoff model.

Just wonder at the end of the day if the money is worth this headache? Or will the BiG put pressure on the ACC and eventually get Duke, UVA..maybe FSU?
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and Oregon state and Washington State to the Mountain West?
i would bet neither state governments would like that much
 
OlyDuck said:
shitty teams like Iowa?
in recent years Iowa has been far better than A&M
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OlyDuck said:
and Oregon state and Washington State to the Mountain West?
i would bet neither state governments would like that much
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No way. The 10th and 11th team in the SEC> winner of the B1G West.
 
Deep Creek said:
It could work out unless four of those five games were Rutgers, Illinois, Maryland and Indiana. Might as well stay with Cal, Zona, Colorado and Az State. But if four of them were tOSU, Sparty, Wisky and Nebraska...that'd be a different story.

I think the big name schools would be better off with independence in football and conference members for other sports. If they scheduled right they could name their prices for media rights...but they'd have to "unbundle" 'em. If each game were negotiated on a stand alone basis, I think those figures would be outta sight when they all played each other. And they'd still be decent when they played the rest. I'm pretty sure Notre Dame vs USC draws a hell of a lot more viewers than Notre Dame vs NC State does. But Notre Dame vs NC State would still draw more than Virginia vs NC State.

Would the media pony up on an ala carte basis?
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The numbers don't work. ND currently gets $15 million for the TV rights. That will get renegotiated in 2025. And they get some TV money from the ACC in non-football sports. About $5 million. So that's $20 million. Let's call it $25 and double it in 2025. That won't happen, but I am being way optimistic to show you why the numbers don't work for anyone else to be independent. If ND get's $50 million, no one will get close to that as an independent ... they are the top of the market. By 2026, even the B12 will be getting $55 million a year. So no school can get even as much as teams in the B12 will get without OU and TX. That's too much money to give up.
 
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