USC and UCLA planning to leave for B10 by 2024!

[Goldbug]

We have a home on the West Coast and I hate, repeat hate, the Pacific Time Zone. 4 time zones is just too much to handle when you're trying to do business all over the U.S. My personal opinion is teams in the PAC would be insane to start hopping all over the B1G express train too quickly. It makes a helluva lot more sense to gut the Big XII. People keep talking about BOR hurdles but all that can be overcome with a little time and patience plus some $$$. The CFP is going to expand; we all know that. Beef up the PAC 10 with new teams from the Big XII and it would be a lot smarter for Oregon, Cal, Stanford, Washington, etc. This crap of creating empires sounds exciting but give it enough time and everyone will be talking about breaking them up.

 

[CoalTrain]

As to your first sentence, there is no reason to expand just to expand. You expand only if you see the B1G go after some teams that the SEC has an interest in.

Your second sentence is spot on, but not sure it makes a difference. Because the GOR is about media rights and ESPN is the media for the SEC and the ACC, it might be that something could be brokered to make sense. The problem is that if a team goes from the ACC to the SEC, the ACC basically collapses and I doubt it has enough worth for ESPN to fund that.

Yea on the first thought I’m thinking the Clemson’s /FSU/UNC ect. the schools/brands that would bring more money (the reason for any expansion for any conference) to stay competitive with the BIG from the ACC may find their way into the SEC’s crosshairs. I can’t see the SEC sitting tight while the BIG makes moves to put them ahead (possibly way ahead) financially in this environment.

The GOR has been and so far still is iron clad for these conference’s but this may be different situation with one entity controlling the rights anyway.

I remember when the BigEast was raided there was a certain number/percentage of schools that could be taken/leave ect. That it took for the conference to just dissolve and all the exit fees ect. Went away but I don’t know if 1. The ACC is structured that way or 2. If they have enough attractive brands for the SEC/BIG to pick the ACC that clean enough to do that anyway.

 

[fishinabarrel]

So about that The Alliance thing....

 

[Wishbone]

So about that The Alliance thing....

 

[NinerSpartan]

As to your first sentence, there is no reason to expand just to expand. You expand only if you see the B1G go after some teams that the SEC has an interest in.

Your second sentence is spot on, but not sure it makes a difference. Because the GOR is about media rights and ESPN is the media for the SEC and the ACC, it might be that something could be brokered to make sense. The problem is that if a team goes from the ACC to the SEC, the ACC basically collapses and I doubt it has enough worth for ESPN to fund that.

its probably just cheaper to buy the rights for an SEC that includes Clemson, FSU, UNC (Big Ten would be a better fit for them), VT, etc. than buy the rights for both the current SEC and current ACC

when the time is right, ESPN will lead the way in the SEC poaching the ACC dry

 

[Knight&Day]

I’m curious as to why the ACC & Pac12 aren’t taking teams from the G5’s and the FCS with all of this happening.

The ACC adding any of App St., ECU, ULL, Liberty, Memphis, Navy, WKU, etc. would work. So would any of AFA, BST, USU, either/both of the SDSU’s, UMT, NDSU, etc. to the Pac12.

No, it’s not like adding USC or ND but it’s better than nothing and it would help to stay afloat (I think).

Or do their commish’s/board members just not give a shit?

 

[outofyourmind]

So we can go back to calling it the PAC 10?

 

[duckboy33]

I’m curious as to why the ACC & Pac12 aren’t taking teams from the G5’s and the FCS with all of this happening.

The ACC adding any of App St., ECU, ULL, Liberty, Memphis, Navy, WKU, etc. would work. So would any of AFA, BST, USU, either/both of the SDSU’s, UMT, NDSU, etc. to the Pac12.

No, it’s not like adding USC or ND but it’s better than nothing and it would help to stay afloat (I think).

Or do their commish’s/board members just not give a shit?

ACC has 14 members. They don't need to add anyone at the moment unless they can lure in ND (unlikely).

PAC will probably add SDSU now but the current PAC members are probably more focused on leaving than adding teams

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I’m curious as to why the ACC & Pac12 aren’t taking teams from the G5’s and the FCS with all of this happening.

The ACC adding any of App St., ECU, ULL, Liberty, Memphis, Navy, WKU, etc. would work. So would any of AFA, BST, USU, either/both of the SDSU’s, UMT, NDSU, etc. to the Pac12.

No, it’s not like adding USC or ND but it’s better than nothing and it would help to stay afloat (I think).

Or do their commish’s/board members just not give a shit?

The ACC seems to have been caught sitting on their hands both times, and my guess is that this was a shock to the Pac12 who thought they were building an "alliance" with the B10 to prevent this exact thing from happening.

The real question is what happens now?

Of the teams left, there's some pretty high performing teams on the board. I think what happens to Clemson, FSU and Oregon are going to dictate where this sport goes. Are we headed to 2 superconferences? 3? Are the SEC and B10 going to form their own championship that excludes everyone else?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

ACC has 14 members. They don't need to add anyone at the moment unless they can lure in ND (unlikely).

PAC will probably add SDSU now but the current PAC members are probably more focused on leaving than adding teams

It's the quality of those members and the money they're able to draw that's the problem. THIS is their problem, and this was before the news yesterday.

 

[duckboy33]

It's the quality of those members and the money they're able to draw that's the problem. THIS is their problem, and this was before the news yesterday.

Correct, adding more teams doesn't necessarily raise the payout. ACC's contract essentially locks those schools in until 2035. At that time, the ACC likely implodes or becomes greatly diminished.

 

[NinerSpartan]

I think you are correct...and I think it has always been that way. The Texas/OU, Bama/Auburn, Ohio State/Michigan games have always drawn big numbers. Those are givens. But any of those six playing the K-States, South Carolinas and Indianas of the world still draw more than games such as K-State/Texas Tech, South Carolina/Kentucky and Indiana/Maryland. So the more big names a conference has the better the inventory overall. Same goes for OOC games. Ohio State/USC is much more attractive than Ohio State/Cal or USC/Purdue. But even the latter two are better than Cal/Purdue.

They draw big numbers, sure, but there's a lot of fans of these smaller schools that are going to stop watching the sport once their teams get left out. If enough smaller/less desirable schools get stuck in a cfb wasteland, then it is going to make the sport less popular.

I'm a UNCC alum, but I don't give a shit about UNCC sports. I certainly don't plan my Saturday around them. I'm only a Wake Forest fan because they were the closest team to my hometown and they are a member of the ACC. When the ACC dies, nobody is picking Wake Forest up. If NC State somehow gets left out, then college football + college basketball in the state is completely dead.

The appeal to college sports are dying. They are no longer an alternative to the NFL and the NBA. They are just becoming a diet version of those leagues.

 

[rfjeff9]

Correct, adding more teams doesn't necessarily raise the payout. ACC's contract essentially locks those schools in until 2035. At that time, the ACC likely implodes or becomes greatly diminished.

The Tobacco Road Cabal never gave a damn about football. They took Miami, BC, and VT but they never wanted VT, they wanted Syracuse. Miami wanted BC to come with, and Virginia wouldn't allow anything to happen without VT being part of the package.

The point is, outside of Miami it's been a basketball addition strategy, but thats not where the money is. Good basketball conference but who really cares?

It's not like the pickings were good for the region anyway, though. Adding Cuse and Pitt weren't bad. Nothing else out there geographically that makes sense. Does Army and/or Navy move the needle? ND would help alot and they have to join the ACC if they join anywhere.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Doesn't make much sense, imo. Too much unnecessary travel.

Not sure why the B1G would want USC...we will just win the conference every year anyway.

You don't win the PAC every year, now you are going to win the B1G every year?

 

[RubinRock]

They draw big numbers, sure, but there's a lot of fans of these smaller schools that are going to stop watching the sport once their teams get left out. If enough smaller/less desirable schools get stuck in a cfb wasteland, then it is going to make the sport less popular.

I'm a UNCC alum, but I don't give a shit about UNCC sports. I certainly don't plan my Saturday around them. I'm only a Wake Forest fan because they were the closest team to my hometown and they are a member of the ACC. When the ACC dies, nobody is picking Wake Forest up. If NC State somehow gets left out, then college football + college basketball in the state is completely dead.

The appeal to college sports are dying. They are no longer an alternative to the NFL and the NBA. They are just becoming a diet version of those leagues.

I'm not gonna be the guy that says he's never going to watch college football again. But the appeal of it has definitely waned over time with the lack of regionality and traditions/rivalries slowly dying. I'll always watch Clemson, but I can definitely see a day where they are really the only team I watch on Saturdays.

With college trying to become a mini version of the NFL, I'll just stick with the one that has the better players.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We have a home on the West Coast and I hate, repeat hate, the Pacific Time Zone. 4 time zones is just too much to handle when you're trying to do business all over the U.S. My personal opinion is teams in the PAC would be insane to start hopping all over the B1G express train too quickly. It makes a helluva lot more sense to gut the Big XII. People keep talking about BOR hurdles but all that can be overcome with a little time and patience plus some $$$. The CFP is going to expand; we all know that. Beef up the PAC 10 with new teams from the Big XII and it would be a lot smarter for Oregon, Cal, Stanford, Washington, etc. This crap of creating empires sounds exciting but give it enough time and everyone will be talking about breaking them up.

It sounds like a good idea about using the Big XII to beef up the PAC, until you realize the four biggest draws in the PAC and Big XII are now gone (OU, Texas, USC and UCLA)

Whatever the leftover teams who don't join the B1G and SEC do -- it is going to be a vastly inferior conference and likely will on the outside looking in for the CFP.

I think we see the B1G go after Washington, ND, Stanford, possibly Oregon if they can figure something out about the academic side.

The SEC will go after Clemson, FSU and either NC/NCst or Viriginia/VirginiaTech

 

[Deep Creek]

It used to be you just needed a team in the area, the cable company carried the conference network and you made a bunch of money. I don't think that model is the one off of which money is made today. There is a poster who kind of bitch slapped me about this a year and half ago. Maybe he will jump in.

Those "area" or "regional" draws won't attract "national" fans unless there are marquee teams involved...whether a person is a CFB nut like all of us that post or just the casual CFP fan. There are a lot of good games televised that do not involve "marquee" teams. But, if they are paired against a game that has at least one marquee team, the casual fan outside the "area" will choose the latter game because of name recognition, tradtion, etc. As bad as USC has been lately, a national fan would still choose to check in on crummy game involving them that they would barn burner game between Texas Tech and TCU. I'd probably watch the latter. But only because I'm in "the area". The guy in Fort Wayne, Indiana is gonna be drawn to the USC game. JMO.

 

[Goldbug]

It sounds like a good idea about using the Big XII to beef up the PAC, until you realize the four biggest draws in the PAC and Big XII are now gone (OU, Texas, USC and UCLA)

Whatever the leftover teams who don't join the B1G and SEC do -- it is going to be a vastly inferior conference and likely will on the outside looking in for the CFP.

I think we see the B1G go after Washington, ND, Stanford, possibly Oregon if they can figure something out about the academic side.

The SEC will go after Clemson, FSU and either NC/NCst or Viriginia/VirginiaTech

The playoff is going to 12 teams so nobody's going to be "looking in". It's inevitable. You could put together a good conference cherry picking the PAC or the Big XII. The teams on the West Coast are idiots for getting into a position where they have to travel cross country for all their events. Nobody wants to say that now because everyone's all excited about the new changes but give it a few years and all we'll hear about is constant bitching about the travel, travel, travel. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. USC and UCLA are going to relearn that lesson.

 

[Deep Creek]

Correct, adding more teams doesn't necessarily raise the payout. ACC's contract essentially locks those schools in until 2035. At that time, the ACC likely implodes or becomes greatly diminished.

Houston didn't add one dime to the Big 12 pile of money. UCF, Cincy and BYU helped to offset some of the lost revenue from Texas/OU leaving. But, Houston......................

 

[Deep Creek]

They draw big numbers, sure, but there's a lot of fans of these smaller schools that are going to stop watching the sport once their teams get left out. If enough smaller/less desirable schools get stuck in a cfb wasteland, then it is going to make the sport less popular.

I'm a UNCC alum, but I don't give a shit about UNCC sports. I certainly don't plan my Saturday around them. I'm only a Wake Forest fan because they were the closest team to my hometown and they are a member of the ACC. When the ACC dies, nobody is picking Wake Forest up. If NC State somehow gets left out, then college football + college basketball in the state is completely dead.

The appeal to college sports are dying. They are no longer an alternative to the NFL and the NBA. They are just becoming a diet version of those leagues.

I think that is already happening....and not just with "smaller" schools. If there isn't some more "variety" of playoff teams it will continue. Even if new teams get eliminated in early rounds, at least they had a chance.