USC and UCLA planning to leave for B10 by 2024!

Volbound1700 said:
In truth, the only consistent elite program in the 2010s has been Alabama
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CFB wins in the 2010's:
1. Alabama 124
2. Clemson 117
2. Ohio State 117

LSU has 103. If LSU is elite -- Is Wisconsin with 102 wins? Is Oregon with 101? Should they be on par with those 3?
 
Kburjr said:
You don't make me mad. I just disagree with your broad definition of Elite. Wisconsin is nor Elite. Penn State is not elite. A&M is not Elite. LSU is no longer Elite. Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State are Elite. They are in natty conversation every year.
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Wisconsin had 1 less win than LSU in the 2010's, so if LSU is in the top tier for elite teams -- So is Wisconsin. Don't sell yourself short.
 
Kburjr said:
Oh, Wisconsin ain't bad by no means. But, like Hall of Very Good level.
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Wisconsin is a very good program, but no one at Wisconsin would argue they belong on the same level as Ohio State.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
CFB wins in the 2010's:
1. Alabama 124
2. Clemson 117
2. Ohio State 117

LSU has 103. If LSU is elite -- Is Wisconsin with 102 wins? Is Oregon with 101? Should they be on par with those 3?
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Nooooo…..Oregon and Wisconsin don’t play in THE S-E-C, S-E-C…….
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Wisconsin had 1 less win than LSU in the 2010's, so if LSU is in the top tier for elite teams -- So is Wisconsin. Don't sell yourself short.
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did Wisconsin ever play for a BCS title in that stretch.. or for a CFP title?
 
Volbound1700 said:
One thought about Oregon in the Pac12. Oregon really isn't that close to Los Angeles. The distance is similar to South Carolina or Florida playing Texas A&M or Texas (which is some of the longer road trips in the SEC).

Geographically, Oregon doesn't provide that much of a closer opponent for travel purposes for UCLA and USC. This might be why Arizona teams have been in the discussion as well.

Definitely the constant long road games may hurt USC and UCLA similar to how they are hurting West Virginia in the Big12. However, at least they are a two-team instead of one-team combo.

Pac12 is pretty geographically spread out. This might be another reason the Pac12 tends to have more chaos in the league and less Elite teams. There is also not a lot of local teams to play OOC. I know this had to hurt the league both Financially and Competitively.
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Meh, most of the issues in the PAC were the result of the previous commissioner.

He insisted on promoting the Olympic sports over football. He insisted on launching the PAC network as an independent network instead of partnering with ESPN or Fox like the SEC and B1G Networks, then couldn't get all tv providers to carry it.

Even with the mistake of not partnering with a network wouldn't have been as bad except he had the network promoting the Olympic sports over football, basketball and even baseball. So the PAC gets to call itself the ''Conference of Champions'' because they win the sports no one cares about.

End result was paltry tv revenue. PAC schools get $30 million per year compared to $100 million for B1G schools. Hard to promote your conference when no one sees them play.
 
Kburjr said:
Didn't have a sub .500 season either
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would you rather have a sub .500 season knowing you would play for it all twice in a 9 year stretch? Including winning one?
 
Kburjr said:
No. Playing Jeckyll and Hyde is not an attribute of a top tier team
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lol.. think you'll be alone in that one then.. LSU has won 3 titles in a 20 year stretch, including finishing runner up in another.. Meanwhile Wi is known for ron dayne... and russell wilson.. who didn't come close to playing for it all..
 
Kburjr said:
No. Playing Jeckyll and Hyde is not an attribute of a top tier team
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If I was GUARANTEED a couple of National Championships every decade but the rest of the time OU would be a 5-6 win team I'd take it in a heartbeat. I've had enough of winning a thousand games but only 1 NC in the past 37 years.
 
Good for y'all. After going 25-26 years of thinking a 4 loss season was a great year, I'm not greedy. I'll take consistently relevant as opposed to up and down. Yeah, would I prefer a CFP championship but it is not worth suffering through a sub-.500 season.
 
Goldbug said:
If I was GUARANTEED a couple of National Championships every decade but the rest of the time OU would be a 5-6 win team I'd take it in a heartbeat. I've had enough of winning a thousand games but only 1 NC in the past 37 years.
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lol yeah i don't get the whole.. win 8/9 games a year for 30 years>>winning an actual MNC trophy..

the whole point is to win the whole thing, right??
 
Thiefery said:
lol yeah i don't get the whole.. win 8/9 games a year for 30 years>>winning an actual MNC trophy..

the whole point is to win the whole thing, right??
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No. It is to enjoy the entire season. I can buy a trophy. A Championship is the cherry on top the ice cream cone. I'll take the ice cream cone every year and you can have the cherry.
 
The goal is to win your conference, not finish 2nd and get a playoff spot. 9 years of CFP is not enough to be all-important
 
Kburjr said:
No. It is to enjoy the entire season. I can buy a trophy. A Championship is the cherry on top the ice cream cone. I'll take the ice cream cone every year and you can have the cherry.
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Who gives a damn about wins if you aren't getting the hardware? You think prospects are impressed with winning percentages? In my scenario, OU would have 8 more National Championship trophies to go with the 7 we already have. I would gladly take those trophies before I would be happy with beating a lot of other teams and walking away with nothing to show for it. I'd bet most schools would choose the same thing.
 
Thiefery said:
did Wisconsin ever play for a BCS title in that stretch.. or for a CFP title?
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I didn't realize that was the criteria.

So Auburn is in the top tier for elite teams with Bama, Clemson, Ohio State? What about Florida State? They have to be added in too. And LSU.

Just think the top tier in college football using your criteria, includes FSU, who is 8-13 the last two years. LSU, who is 11-12 the last two years and Auburn who is 12-12 the last two years.

Oh wait -- we have to put Oregon in their too. They have 101 wins and played for a national title. They look like a juggernaut compared to FSU, LSU and Auburn though, as they only have 7 losses the last two years.

I wonder if we must grandfather in Utah to the top tier of elite teams since they beat Oregon by like 250 points in their 2 meetings last year?
 
Goldbug said:
Who gives a damn about wins if you aren't getting the hardware? You think prospects are impressed with winning percentages? In my scenario, OU would have 8 more National Championship trophies to go with the 7 we already have. I would gladly take those trophies before I would be happy with beating a lot of other teams and walking away with nothing to show for it. I'd bet most schools would choose the same thing.
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If getting the hardware is all you care about -- you have to absolutely despise the move to the SEC. You went from being the big dog in the Big 12 to an underdog in the SEC.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If getting the hardware is all you care about -- you have to absolutely despise the move to the SEC. You went from being the big dog in the Big 12 to an underdog in the SEC.
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LOL.. we aren't the under dog, We are TEXAS.. we will get trolled, hated and despised. It comes with the territory.. and it's the best. Fuck the Big12, fuck the SEC while I'm at it BUT, I rather be there than playing games in East Lansing, Champagne, WI, MN, etc

and yes the hardware is what it's all about, but sure i guess it's cool to have a lot of winning seasons with nothing to show for it.. congrats on reaching your ceiling.. must be the BiG way... SAD!
 
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