WEEK 9 LOL's!!!

Good info GB. But wasn't the main reason for the move to the SEC to use the difference in media revenue to help with the financing? Quite a few SEC schools have only had zero or occasional success in football but benefitted greatly from the money that comes from being a conference member.
Every sport at OU already has its hand out and is counting on the additional revenue that is supposed to come pouring in. They're already spending it in their own minds before it's received. Would Joe C......COULD Joe C.......keep other sports on a reasonably restricted budget in order to push more money into the football program? Remember, there are a lot of Karens and wokesters in college sports who would cry discrimination if he did that. And he would need a new wave of donors to kick in too. Bottom line, the investment that would be needed for the football program to get on top in the SEC and stay there is problematic. OU's not broke. It's just behind the curve and catching up with the Joneses may not be realistic in the foreseeable future. OU will be hoping it can catch lightening in a bottle but the SEC is a tough neighborhood. Kudos to all the other schools who have been swimming in these waters for a long, long time and have already figured out what works best for them.
 
paying coaches is one thing, paying players will become an issue. When you have TxTech paying a softball pitcher $1m for a season, the high NIL costs are spreading to sports that usually haven't seen a lot of money to players.
Hadn't heard that among my friends the rabid Raiders. While Tech is not the poorest or wealthiest athletic revenue school, there has to be a wealthy BMD softball fanatic willing to throw that kind of money at it. (Or many softball fanatics with money.) In the future, I could see that of thing happening just to keep non revenue sports afloat at some point. I've already heard from my old Red Raider alumni golfing buddy that Ludvig Aberg is willing to contribute some decent funds to the golf in order to prevent it from the chopping block or budget reduction.

But I'm thinking a version of this may happen a lot. I sat through the heat yesterday for the TCU/Tech game. I had a discussion with my Tech alumni son in law during the game. And it is obvious the main difference between Big 12 schools and SEC/B1G schools is the defensive line. Offensive lines to a lesser extent, but not near the difference in talent as the DLs.

Anyhoo, I asked him what he thought would be the fallout if TCU, Tech or other similar schools directed a disproportionatel amount of NIL money to those real MFers on the DL? (And maybe DBs). Except for those rare birds, talent among the skill players doesn't seem to be as disproportionate between 5*s and 3*s. At least in Texas. Hell, the Jeanty kid at Boise is from Frisco isn't he?

It was a good discussion. A few others around us joined in...and there were a lot of Red Raiders at the game.
 
Hadn't heard that among my friends the rabid Raiders. While Tech is not the poorest or wealthiest athletic revenue school, there has to be a wealthy BMD softball fanatic willing to throw that kind of money at it. (Or many softball fanatics with money.) In the future, I could see that of thing happening just to keep non revenue sports afloat at some point. I've already heard from my old Red Raider alumni golfing buddy that Ludvig Aberg is willing to contribute some decent funds to the golf in order to prevent it from the chopping block or budget reduction.

But I'm thinking a version of this may happen a lot. I sat through the heat yesterday for the TCU/Tech game. I had a discussion with my Tech alumni son in law during the game. And it is obvious the main difference between Big 12 schools and SEC/B1G schools is the defensive line. Offensive lines to a lesser extent, but not near the difference in talent as the DLs.

Anyhoo, I asked him what he thought would be the fallout if TCU, Tech or other similar schools directed a disproportionatel amount of NIL money to those real MFers on the DL? (And maybe DBs). Except for those rare birds, talent among the skill players doesn't seem to be as disproportionate between 5*s and 3*s. At least in Texas. Hell, the Jeanty kid at Boise is from Frisco isn't he?

It was a good discussion. A few others around us joined in...and there were a lot of Red Raiders at the game.
I don't think there is enough money to make it viable for the big12 schools to try to outbid the SEC schools. With the SEC there is already that understanding of the level of play you will get, and so its better for someone to take a little less money and go to the SEC to be surrounded by other great DL players that draw attention than it is to be the big fish in a little pond at a Big12 school. And buying a full DL of 4-5* is very pricey, ask this A&M fan how I know! :)

You are right though that getting the upper 3* kids, building a defensive mindset, then growing that into a 4* here or there and you never know how the narrative can change over a few seasons. But a DL is something that every starter can get drafted by having a good group of talent, UGA just did it.
 
I don't think there is enough money to make it viable for the big12 schools to try to outbid the SEC schools. With the SEC there is already that understanding of the level of play you will get, and so its better for someone to take a little less money and go to the SEC to be surrounded by other great DL players that draw attention than it is to be the big fish in a little pond at a Big12 school. And buying a full DL of 4-5* is very pricey, ask this A&M fan how I know! :)

You are right though that getting the upper 3* kids, building a defensive mindset, then growing that into a 4* here or there and you never know how the narrative can change over a few seasons. But a DL is something that every starter can get drafted by having a good group of talent, UGA just did it.
So CFB success will continue to be determined by who is best able to purchase the top notch DL. If you can’t, you’ll never win at a high level.

That was basically the discussion we had yesterday.
 
Barry Switzer also said about a month ago "I don't know how we can compete with Texas anymore. We're in a small state with 3.5 Million people and Texas has 35 Million people. That a big difference in where you get money". Barry can obviously see that money has trumped every other advantage OU used to have in college football.
This is what I've been saying in my "South Carolina West" thread. A lot of similarities between our schools. Small population states, fewer resources, and a poor or mediocre coach can compound those disadvantages. But boy do we fans love our schools
 
This is what I've been saying in my "South Carolina West" thread. A lot of similarities between our schools. Small population states, fewer resources, and a poor or mediocre coach can compound those disadvantages. But boy do we fans love our schools
So you and @Goldbug are inferring that, even with equal media revenue sharing that is very large in the BIG and SEC, some schools still have a financial advantage over others.
 
When we played y'all, and good game BTW, I thought that your Oline owed the QB apologies. Now I think the QB owes them one. He has to be sleeping with a couple of their sisters for blocking like that.
Brent Venables is 1-9 vs Top 25 teams. That's pitiful. Actually, pathetic.

I'm finished with this shit. Here's my take on the state of the program and I'll just watch and see if Joe C has the cajones to get OU back on the right track.

First, Barry Switzer was leery of joining the SEC. Here is what he told the Tulsa World. "I’m concerned. I want someone to raise their hand in a few years and say, ‘I’m the one who took us to the SEC. I don’t know who made the decision, how it was made or who was involved". Barry knows OU football better than anyone alive. He could see this coming. Hell, even I could finally figure out what was likely to happen and have posted my opinion for at least two years.

Second, OU football has a $100 Million problem. Yeah, no kidding. That's what it would take to get OU in a position to be at the top of the SEC. But Goldbug!!! $100 Million?! Yup. By the time we dumped Venables, his shitty staff, paid out all the settlements, hired a new PROVEN HC and paid what it would take to hire PROVEN coaches as coordinators and position coaches and then ponied up the NIL money it would take to buy the players we need, it's nearly $100 Million. Do the math yourself if you don't believe it.

Third, OU's mentality is still stuck in the Big XII while we are playing in the SEC. The emphasis is still on facilities, facilities, facilities with a piker's approach to raising the $$$ to hire the right mercenaries and coaches for getting to the top. Barry Switzer also said about a month ago "I don't know how we can compete with Texas anymore. We're in a small state with 3.5 Million people and Texas has 35 Million people. That a big difference in where you get money". Barry can obviously see that money has trumped every other advantage OU used to have in college football.

Fourth, while OU has spent a fortune on facilities, our coaches are still not top notch with the exception of the sports that are doing great: softball, gymnastics and golf. Yes, if you don't have the right coaches it's not going to be reasonable to expect great results. Again, that comes back to item #3, money.

I doubt the average OU fan is that concerned about winning a NC in basketball, or baseball or tennis or a lot of sports. What counts the most is football. Is Joe C willing to spend all the money necessary (if he can find it) even at the expense of other sports and his penchant for upgrading faculties in order to fund a football resurrection? Truthfully, I doubt it will happen. OU is having a hell of a time still trying to raise $2 Billion for the endowment. They have been trying for years and Joe Harroz (OU Prez) sends out regular appeals to donors. The well is running dry at Oklahoma and that's not even taking into consideration what's likely to happen with the national economy starting next year.

I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer. And whether anyone believes it or not, I've got a LOT of experience doing turnarounds and workouts with troubled companies. I'm one of the best there is and I see many of the same issues in OU sports that I've seen in a wide range of businesses. An outdated business model, fractured pricing structures, a bloated bureaucracy, underachieving executives, poor sales, liquidity problems and a tendency by the older managers to resist needed changes. The two most important issues are always upgrading senior and line management (coaches) and increasing the operating capital for OPEX (coaching salaries, NIL, etc.). If you can't at least do those two things it's not going to turn around or get appreciably better.

Don't be surprised if Joe C gets behind a push to introduce Private Equity $$$ into college sports. Then you would see schools like OU with a lot of money coming in through a a debt-like cost of capital structure — without any fixed payments — with its returns tied to new revenue generation. Private Equity would monetize the F out of everything and share in the increased revenues as its return on investment. Billions would be washing back and forth in college sports. And you wouldn't recognize it as anything we've always loved about college sports.
I really hope and think you are wrong. From where I sit, talent wise you guys could have played with and/or beat anyone on the schedule. No, injuries are not an excuse for losses but they are a valid reason to recalibrate your expectations, and y'all have had an abnormal number of injuries. For a simple exercise, look at your injuries by position per week and overlay those positions to other teams like UGA, Texas, Bama, UT and on down the list to us and MSST and see what you think anyone else would have done with the same positional injuries in the games they had. I doubt you will find any that would be much better off than you are today.
 
lol @ OU having a halftime lead over anybody.
If you get bowl eligible -- you may be able to take your frustration out on USC. That'd be an epic game to watch.
 
I:nonono:

Music City Bowl

Oklahoma (6-6) vs Nebraska (6-6)
I'd rather wait for both programs to be a good again before having them play. Though I definitely could see a bowl game really wanting to get this matchup.
 
USC fans aren't gonna travel to Nashville, TN, but Nebraska/Oklahoma fans will.
If it came down to it, the Music City Bowl would take Nebraska over USC, because bowl games are about filling hotels, restaurants, and putting butts in seats.
Two fan bases >>> One

BTW, the former PAC 12 teams are still eligible to fill the previous PAC bowl tie-ins and affiliations.

That would put the Las Vegas Bowl (PAC vs SEC) on the table.
USC fans would likely travel for that.
 
How in the hell do yall think we are going to win 2 more games? Have you seen our schedule and watched us play?

Y'all will beat Maine and Missouri.


Missouri couldn't even beat Gary Gibbs or Howard Schnellenberger OU teams.
They did beat a John Blake OU team once.
 
How in the hell do yall think we are going to win 2 more games? Have you seen our schedule and watched us play?

Y'all will beat Maine and Missouri.


Missouri couldn't even beat Gary Gibbs or Howard Schnellenberger OU teams.
They did beat a John Blake OU team once.
Depends on if your guys have their daubers down. Hell, you might win all four. Besides Maine and Mizzou, Bama couldn't win in Nashville so they might not win in Norman. And LSU may not recover from that total meltdown in the 2nd half at Kyle Field last night.
 
USC fans aren't gonna travel to Nashville, TN, but Nebraska/Oklahoma fans will.
If it came down to it, the Music City Bowl would take Nebraska over USC, because bowl games are about filling hotels, restaurants, and putting butts in seats.
Two fan bases >>> One

BTW, the former PAC 12 teams are still eligible to fill the previous PAC bowl tie-ins and affiliations.

That would put the Las Vegas Bowl (PAC vs SEC) on the table.
USC fans would likely travel for that.
I didn't realize the Music City Bowl was the only option for the teams. If that's the case, then I agree.
 
Y'all will beat Maine and Missouri.


Missouri couldn't even beat Gary Gibbs or Howard Schnellenberger OU teams.
They did beat a John Blake OU team once.
I sat in Faurot Field and watched it happen with my own eyes.
apocalypse now horror GIF by Maudit
 
I didn't realize the Music City Bowl was the only option for the teams. If that's the case, then I agree.

It's not the 'only' option, but based on pecking order.

Big 10 Bowl tie-ins.

Citrus Bowl: Big 10 vs SEC (Typically 8 or 9 win teams)
ReliaQuest Bowl: Big 10 vs SEC (Typically 8 win teams)
Music City Bowl: Big 10 vs SEC (Typically 6 or 7 win teams)

The Las Vegas Bowl is the 'only' PAC vs SEC tie-in.

I expect Music City takes Oklahoma off the board before it gets there. Particularly if Nebraska's also available.
 
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