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[osubuckeye89]

We are? By who? It won't be Ohio fans, they just got beat by a Michigan team with a walk on at QB. If they say anything -- all Michigan fans have to say is...........Davis Warren.

Literally every other fan base will be mocking you for spending 12 mil or whatever on a QB if that QB doesn't end up being a elite level player.

 

[osubuckeye89]

You think incorrectly. You're trying to use a very small number of games relative to the total numbers of games played over the last decade to try and prove your point. By and large, michigan has struggled to develop offensive players, and that's not really up for debate.

Also all the OSU game last season proved is that when one team does every single thing in their power to beat themselves, including completely overhauling their offensive scheme for no good reason, they can still somehow win if their kicker doesn't shank two chip shot FGs. If he does that, however, then even michigan can win.

They've been comically bad at developing WRs

This is going to be the biggest hurdle for Underwood. You can be the greatest QB alive but you are gonna get beaten down a lot if you have WRs who just can't get open.

 

[Across The Field]

They've been comically bad at developing WRs

This is going to be the biggest hurdle for Underwood. You can be the greatest QB alive but you are gonna get beaten down a lot if you have WRs who just can't get open.

Underwood is a special talent, for sure. He's far from the first though, and true freshmen QBs rarely ever put it all together year one and they definitely don't when they don't have talented receiving weapons. This is definitely going to be a hurdle for him.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Yeah man, you guys will be fucked. You've struggled mightily to develop offensive talent for the better part of the last decade, and you put all your eggs in the Underwood basket. If he doesn't prove to be elite, you guys are fucked.

We have? You should let the NFL know how much Michigan has struggled developing talent. Michigan has had 23 guys drafted from the offensive side of the ball since 2020, that includes 5 WR's, 4 TE's, 3 RB's.

 

[Across The Field]

We have? You should let the NFL know how much Michigan has struggled developing talent. Michigan has had 23 guys drafted from the offensive side of the ball since 2020, that includes 5 WR's, 4 TE's, 3 RB's.

LOL cool, how are those guys doing?

Nico Collins was saved by an OSU QB, obviously. How about the other WRs?
Any TEs or RBs doing anything other than providing depth?
What's hilarious is that your former HC went to the NFL and could have found a way to acquire any of those michigan RBs and instead chose an OSU RB to be his bellcow.

 

[osubuckeye89]

We have? You should let the NFL know how much Michigan has struggled developing talent. Michigan has had 23 guys drafted from the offensive side of the ball since 2020, that includes 5 WR's, 4 TE's, 3 RB's.

Not a single WR drafted above the 3rd round

3 of those 5 were in the 6th or 7th round. Lot's of mediocre college production gets drafted late on a flier hoping they might live up to the potential they were once thought to have had.

Some team took fucking Steve Bellisari in the 6th round for example.

 

[osubuckeye89]

LOL cool, how are those guys doing?

Nico Collins was saved by an OSU QB, obviously. How about the other WRs?
Any TEs or RBs doing anything other than providing depth?
What's hilarious is that your former HC went to the NFL and could have found a way to acquire any of those michigan RBs and instead chose an OSU RB to be his bellcow.

Players getting drafted in the 5th,6th,7th rounds are usually being drafted based off of possible projection, not necessarily because they were "developed well" in college, scouts think they might be able to get the production that wasn't there in college based off of measurables or whatever if they get them into their NFL system.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Donovan Peoples Jones was the #1 WR in the 247 composite in his class.

He ended up being drafted in the 6th round. I wouldn't call that good development.

He was drafted based off of possible protentional which was based off his measurables.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

LOL cool, how are those guys doing?

Nico Collins was saved by an OSU QB, obviously. How about the other WRs?
Any TEs or RBs doing anything other than providing depth?
What's hilarious is that your former HC went to the NFL and could have found a way to acquire any of those michigan RBs and instead chose an OSU RB to be his bellcow.

Nico Collins saved Stroud is what you should be saying. Collins went down hurt this year and Stroud was HORRIBLE. Finished the year with the same QBR as Aiden O'Connell. Stroud was so bad -- Justin Fields, who lost his starting job, had a higher QBR than Stroud.

For the love of god, stick to being an Ohio homer -- you obviously have ZERO IDEA how the NFL works. One -- Harbaugh doesn't acquire anyone, the general manager does. Two, players can just jump from the team to team -- they are under contract. Three, JK Dobbins was able to be signed, because his team let him go, because he couldn't stay healthy. Go figure, he missed 6 more games this year past year.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Donovan Peoples Jones was the #1 WR in the 247 composite in his class.

He ended up being drafted in the 6th round. I wouldn't call that good development.

He was drafted based off of possible protentional which was based off his measurables.

Would you like me to go thru the 5 star WR's on Ohio State who flopped? Putting one guy and saying -- they can't develop talent is laughable.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Not a single WR drafted above the 3rd round

3 of those 5 were in the 6th or 7th round. Lot's of mediocre college production gets drafted late on a flier hoping they might live up to the potential they were once thought to have had.

Some team took fucking Steve Bellisari in the 6th round for example.

Which potential?
Roman Wilson was the 38th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Ronnie Bell was the 167th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Nico Collins was the 29th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Cornelius Johnson was the 25th ranked WR coming out of HS.

This isn't their ranking nationally as a player -- This is their ranking for ONLY WR's. Now put up Ohio's who have been drafted.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Would you like me to go thru the 5 star WR's on Ohio State who flopped? Putting one guy and saying -- they can't develop talent is laughable.

Ohio State has had 12 WRs go in the 1st or 2nd round in the last 20 years

Michigan has had 2 (Braylon Edwards & Devin Funchess)

Ohio State gets more 5* WRs than Michigan so of course we have more that don't live up to their HS ranking. Not every 5* is going to always be successful.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Which potential?
Roman Wilson was the 38th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Ronnie Bell was the 167th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Nico Collins was the 29th ranked WR coming out of HS.
Cornelius Johnson was the 25th ranked WR coming out of HS.

This isn't their ranking nationally as a player -- This is their ranking for ONLY WR's. Now put up Ohio's who have been drafted.

Chris Olave was a 3* in the 247 composite (#399 OVR #68 WR) - Drafted #11 overall
Marvin Harrison Jr was the #14 WR in his class - Drafted #4 overall

JSN & Garrett Wilson were both 5*s but they were drafted in the 1st round, they didn't tank like DPJ

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Donovan Peoples Jones was the #1 WR in the 247 composite in his class.

He ended up being drafted in the 6th round. I wouldn't call that good development.

He was drafted based off of possible protentional which was based off his measurables.

Kamryn Babb -- #7 WR
Julien Fleming -- #1 WR
Gee Scott Jr. -- #5 WR
Jayden Ballard -- #4 WR
Kyion Graves -- #8 WR

Should I keep going on the flops at WR at Ohio? Does this mean Ohio is terrible at developing talent?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Kamryn Babb -- #7 WR
Julien Fleming -- #1 WR
Gee Scott Jr. -- #5 WR
Jayden Ballard -- #4 WR
Kyion Graves -- #8 WR

Should I keep going on the flops at WR at Ohio? Does this mean Ohio is terrible at developing talent?

How many other schools have 12 WRs taken in the 1st 2 rounds in the last 20 years? Guessing not many.

"development" at Michigan will get you drafted on day 3 lol.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Ohio State has had 12 WRs go in the 1st or 2nd round in the last 20 years

Michigan has had 2 (Braylon Edwards & Devin Funchess)

Ohio State gets more 5* WRs than Michigan so of course we have more that don't live up to their HS ranking. Not every 5* is going to always be successful.

At what point will the pea brained Ohio fans realize they recruit at a level Michigan has NEVER in the history of their program.

EVERY YEAR Ohio has more talent than Michigan -- Have you not figured this out yet? This past year, where Michigan beat Ohio for the 4th year in a row. Ohio had 92% blue chip recruits on their roster. Michigan had 52%. That means you have over FORTY extra 4 or 5 star recruits than Michigan!!!!!!!! That doesn't even count the guys you brought in the portal like Caleb Downs or Will Howard or whoever else.

Michigan develops talent, which is why we can't have a year like last year, where we lose 18 starters to the NFL. We can reload if it is just a few spots. Teams like Ohio, Bama, Georgia, they simply reload, because they have 4 and 5 star guys backing up, 4 and 5 star guys.

The difference now is -- those backups can be poached by other teams with NIL dollars, which is leveling the playing field across the board.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

How many other schools have 12 WRs taken in the 1st 2 rounds in the last 20 years? Guessing not many.

"development" at Michigan will get you drafted on day 3 lol.

All those guys I listed were drafted into the NFL, despite being ranked 20-140 spots behind the Ohio WR's. What does that say about Ohio's 'development'?!?!

Ohio has had that many drafted because of recruiting the best of the best. Now list all the top 10 WR's Michigan has signed in the last 10 years.

 

[Across The Field]

Nico Collins saved Stroud is what you should be saying. Collins went down hurt this year and Stroud was HORRIBLE. Finished the year with the same QBR as Aiden O'Connell. Stroud was so bad -- Justin Fields, who lost his starting job, had a higher QBR than Stroud.

For the love of god, stick to being an Ohio homer -- you obviously have ZERO IDEA how the NFL works. One -- Harbaugh doesn't acquire anyone, the general manager does. Two, players can just jump from the team to team -- they are under contract. Three, JK Dobbins was able to be signed, because his team let him go, because he couldn't stay healthy. Go figure, he missed 6 more games this year past year.

Stroud had a sophomore slump. When your top 3 WRs and RB1/2 miss a combined 26 games during the regular season, you're gonna see some regression.

Let's be clear, you have no idea how the NFL works. Teams can offer trades, sling blade. Oh, and who was it that was drafted in the 3rd round that the Chargers could have easily had? Blake something from michigan? Weird how he just let that go and decided on the OSU RB. Also, you're even more retarded than you let on if you think Harbaugh doesn't have influence over their roster. You're just upset I'm proving you wrong, as usual.

 

[osubuckeye89]

All those guys I listed were drafted into the NFL, despite being ranked 20-140 spots behind the Ohio WR's. What does that say about Ohio's 'development'?!?!

Ohio has had that many drafted because of recruiting the best of the best. Now list all the top 10 WR's Michigan has signed in the last 10 years.

Michael Thomas was a 3*
Brian Robiskie was a 3*
Anthony Gonzalez was a mid 4* DB as a recruit
Devin Smith was a lower 4* #33 WR in his class

These guys are all part of that 12 as well.

So we turned 3* and mid-low 4*s into 1st and 2nd rounders. Michigan turns them into day 3 picks. Nice!

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Stroud had a sophomore slump. When your top 3 WRs and RB1/2 miss a combined 26 games during the regular season, you're gonna see some regression.

Let's be clear, you have no idea how the NFL works. Teams can offer trades, sling blade. Oh, and who was it that was drafted in the 3rd round that the Chargers could have easily had? Blake something from michigan? Weird how he just let that go and decided on the OSU RB. Also, you're even more retarded than you let on if you think Harbaugh doesn't have influence over their roster. You're just upset I'm proving you wrong, as usual.

Some regression? Nothing better Ohio fan excuses. He was ATROCIOUS. His best games were when he could throw up 50/50 balls to Nico Collins to win.

This isn't fantasy football you clown. You don't put your multi-million dollar job on the line to trade for players because you like them. Dobbins was paid just above the league minimum to come to SD. I think he got 1.5 million for 1 year.

SD had way bigger needs than spending draft capital on any RB. And Harbaugh has some say, but the GM is calling the shots.

And all you are proving right now is how little you know about the NFL. But keep it up.