Who is winning a natty on a platter on Signing Day?

WhosYourDawggy said:
He doesn’t follow recruiting - that’s a compliment - so he doesn’t understand how rankings work. UF was not third … they were 12th.

As for the rankings, obviously upsets happen. But the higher recruiting teams win far more often because they are more talented.

Michigan is doing very well in the transfer portal so far.

I know this because I follow recruiting - that’s not a compliment - and am a loser.
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I like that 247 has a feature to add transfers to the overall rankings but I still feel like they don’t totally know how to quantify the impact transfers make. In their defense, the emergence of the portal and immediately eligibility is still new
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You are confusing star averages and point totals. … Blah blah blah ….
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No I’m not. I specifically mentioned star average, and when you asked again, I said it again.

Im well aware that everyone has Georgia ranked higher in recruiting. I never disputed that fact.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
He doesn’t follow recruiting - that’s a compliment - so he doesn’t understand how rankings work. UF was not third … they were 12th.

As for the rankings, obviously upsets happen. But the higher recruiting teams win far more often because they are more talented.

Michigan is doing very well in the transfer portal so far.

I know this because I follow recruiting - that’s not a compliment - and am a loser.
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Michigan is doing well NOW in the portal. Post-ass blasting Ryan Day and the Just For Men gang...its the new version of a recruiting band wagon
 
Gatorchip said:
No I’m not. I specifically mentioned star average, and when you asked again, I said it again.

Im well aware that everyone has Georgia ranked higher in recruiting. I never disputed that fact.
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Well, I tried. You keep mentioning star average as if that means anything. It doesn’t. But, congrats on finishing 3rd in star average. That’s awesome for guys.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Well, I tried. You keep mentioning star average as if that means anything. It doesn’t. But, congrats on finishing 3rd in star average. That’s awesome for guys.
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You tried what? Explaining that I’m wrong about something I never said?

It meant something to you until I backed up my comment with data. Now it means nothing… lol okay.
 
Gatorchip said:
You tried what? Explaining that I’m wrong about something I never said?

It meant something to you until I backed up my comment with data. Now it means nothing… lol okay.
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Why did you say UF was third in star average, and post a list of star averages? Do you agree it’s meaningless? Or did you post that because you thought it meant something?
 
Gatorchip said:
Because they are

Because you didn’t believe me

So you think if UGA filled their roster with 2-star recruits, they will keep winning?
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Do you understand the difference between high and low rated 4*? I laid it out above for you as to why star average is not that matters.

Your question is obvious. No, and we don’t take 2*. We also take highly rated 4* compared to your low rated 4*. Therein lies the difference.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Do you understand the difference between high and low rated 4*? I laid it out above for you as to why star average is not that matters.

Your question is obvious. No, and we don’t take 2*. We also take highly rated 4* compared to your low rated 4*. Therein lies the difference.
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I like how you belittle me due to your ineptitude. Remember when you said that there was “No way” that Florida can have the 3rd average star rating, then you said it didn’t matter after seeing the data?

Prop up that straw man all you like.
 
Knight&Day said:
Recruiting rankings really don’t matter as much as people like NewPhoneWhoDis think they do.

RB Josh Jacobs was only a 3-star. Otoh, D’Wan Mathis was a 5-star.
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You will have guys who are 5 star that flop and you will have 3 stars who become superstars. It is no different than the NFL, but you have a WAAAAAY higher chance of a player turning into a superstar that is a highly ranked recruit than you do if you are only bringing in 3 star kids.

And with the never ending supply of national camps, 7 on 7's, individualized position coaches, personal trainers, etc. -- the recruiting rankings are more accurate than they have ever been. That's why schools spend a fortune recruiting to bring those kids in. That being said -- D'Wan Mathis wasn't a 5 star (unless you are talking about a different D'Wan Mathis) -- he played about 20 minutes from me -- he was a low 4 star and I thought that was generous for him, as he wasn't even a good HS QB.

The kids who come out better than their recruiting ranking are usually kids like Sauce Gardner -- He was 6'1" 163 lbs as a high school senior, he ran a 4.7 40. He played at Detroit King and Michigan/Michigan State didn't even offer him. Cincy was the highest profile offer he had. He grew 2 inches in college, put on 40 lbs of muscle and dropped his 40 time to 4.3/4.4. For every 3 star who makes that jump, you have thousands and thousands of them who don't improve.

So yes -- in theory, a team could hit the lottery with a bunch of 3 star recruits at the same time, like Cincy did. But you saw what happened when they played Bama. MSU did the same when they got to the CFP, you saw what happened when they faced Bama. I can't say without hesitation -- if recruiting rankings didn't matter -- you wouldn't see the same handful of teams fighting over the same recruits at the top of those recruiting rankings and those schools wouldn't spend millions on recruiting if it didn't matter. Now with NIL -- you wouldn't have schools shellinng out a fortune for recruits if it didn't matter.

Recruiting isn't the end all be all. See Texas A&M's train wreck. You need the coaching staff as well. But it doesn't matter how good your coaching and development is if you aren't bringing in elite recruiting classes.
 
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PeoplesChicken said:
Michigan is doing well NOW in the portal. Post-ass blasting Ryan Day and the Just For Men gang...its the new version of a recruiting band wagon
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I keep waiting for an article where one or more of this portal guys are denied entrance by the administration. So bizarre for UM to go from next to no one from the portal to 5 or 6 guys in a year.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You will have guys who are 5 star that flop and you will have 3 stars who become superstars. It is no different than the NFL, but you have a WAAAAAY higher chance of a player turning into a superstar that is a highly ranked recruit than you do if you are only bringing in 3 star kids.

And with the never ending supply of national camps, 7 on 7's, individualized position coaches, personal trainers, etc. -- the recruiting rankings are more accurate than they have ever been. That's why schools spend a fortune recruiting to bring those kids in. That being said -- D'Wan Mathis wasn't a 5 star (unless you are talking about a different D'Wan Mathis) -- he played about 20 minutes from me -- he was a low 4 star and I thought that was generous for him, as he wasn't even a good HS QB.

The kids who come out better than their recruiting ranking are usually kids like Sauce Gardner -- He was 6'1" 163 lbs as a high school senior, he ran a 4.7 40. He played at Detroit King and Michigan/Michigan State didn't even offer him. Cincy was the highest profile offer he had. He grew 2 inches in college, put on 40 lbs of muscle and dropped his 40 time to 4.3/4.4. For every 3 star who makes that jump, you have thousands and thousands of them who don't improve.

So yes -- in theory, a team could hit the lottery with a bunch of 3 star recruits at the same time, like Cincy did. But you saw what happened when they played Bama. MSU did the same when they got to the CFP, you saw what happened when they faced Bama. I can't say without hesitation -- if recruiting rankings didn't matter -- you wouldn't see the same handful of teams fighting over the same recruits at the top of those recruiting rankings and those schools wouldn't spend millions on recruiting if it didn't matter. Now with NIL -- you wouldn't have schools shellinng out a fortune for recruits if it didn't matter.

Recruiting isn't the end all be all. See Texas A&M's train wreck. You need the coaching staff as well. But it doesn't matter how good your coaching and development is if you aren't bringing in elite recruiting classes.
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True but there is one trend I've noticed here in Texas. We have some school programs that are so good in developing their players from junior high on up and are highly rated. They have nutrition, strength/conditioning, skill, etc that are probably on par with a lot of colleges. But many from those type of programs are really about as good as they are going to get. Finding talented players that haven't been developed in those type of programs are the real pearls. And they may not be rated as highly but definitely have more upside.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I keep waiting for an article where one or more of this portal guys are denied entrance by the administration. So bizarre for UM to go from next to no one from the portal to 5 or 6 guys in a year.
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Can't beat 'em? Join 'em
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I keep waiting for an article where one or more of this portal guys are denied entrance by the administration. So bizarre for UM to go from next to no one from the portal to 5 or 6 guys in a year.
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Speaking of, remember several years ago when that lineman from Michigan transferred to Ohio St and EVERYONE made a big deal about it? Ancient fucking history
 
Knight&Day said:
Recruiting rankings really don’t matter as much as people like NewPhoneWhoDis think they do.

RB Josh Jacobs was only a 3-star. Otoh, D’Wan Mathis was a 5-star.
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Dwan Mathis was a fairly low ranked 4 star.

But yeah, there’s gonna be busts and there’s gonna be low underrated guys(you can usually pick them out when coaches like Saban and Kirby offer them, Ladd McConkey had no stars until UGA offered him), but the odds of a 5 star being a stud player are far higher than a low end 4 star, 3 star or walk on
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Dwan Mathis was a fairly low ranked 4 star.

But yeah, there’s gonna be busts and there’s gonna be low underrated guys(you can usually pick them out when coaches like Saban and Kirby offer them, Ladd McConkey had no stars until UGA offered him), but the odds of a 5 star being a stud player are far higher than a low end 4 star, 3 star or walk on
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Yeah -- I was thinking maybe he was talking about a different guy when he mentioned Mathis. I told OSU fans when he left OSU to go to Georgia, it wasn't a loss at all, as Mathis looking like an absolute trainwreck in every game he played in when a team had any talent in HS. He was one of those 7 on 7 studs, where he looks completely different with pads on and guys looking to hit him.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Do you understand the difference between high and low rated 4*? I laid it out above for you as to why star average is not that matters.

Your question is obvious. No, and we don’t take 2*. We also take highly rated 4* compared to your low rated 4*. Therein lies the difference.
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So you’re saying 4.99 ⭐️ players are rounded down to 4 ⭐️ by the rating services?
 
Huskers4me said:
So you’re saying 4.99 ⭐️ players are rounded down to 4 ⭐️ by the rating services?
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There’s generally only around 30 5 stars and over 300 4 stars. A top 100 player is generally a better get than the 324th ranked player
 
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