Poll Who makes the 12T playoff first?

Who’s in first?

  • Penn State

    Votes: 15 45.5%

  • USC

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • Tennessee

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • Texas A&M

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • Florida

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Auburn

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Oklahoma State

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • KState

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Total voters
    33
K-State

Combo of coaching ability and path difficulty.
 
Deep Creek said:
There is no doubt the 12 team playoff will create many more games late in the season that have an impact on the playoffs. Even ripple effects beyond their own conference implications. And many said adding teams to the playoffs would devalue the regular season. That's just BS.

I just don't think the four conference champions should be guaranteed the bye. That said, finishing 5-8 and hosting a first round game is also a good thing to play for during the season.
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do you mean that 4 conference champions or did you mean THE four? technically THE four are all but guaranteed but not 100% guaranteed.
 
occupant said:
K-State

Combo of coaching ability and path difficulty.
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Path difficulty? Tulane, Arizona, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa State. Why isnt Kansas their final? is the Big XII not doing rivals?
 
OlyDuck said:
do you mean that 4 conference champions or did you mean THE four? technically THE four are all but guaranteed but not 100% guaranteed.
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Maybe I’ve got it wrong. I was under the impression the four highest CFP rated conference champions (regardless of which conference they come from) would get the first round byes.

If that’s not the case then I’m okay with the whole thing…even though I don’t think Liberty would be one of the 12 teams… but they would have been.
 
OlyDuck said:
Path difficulty? Tulane, Arizona, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa State. Why isnt Kansas their final? is the Big XII not doing rivals?
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Doesn’t look like it. But they may be working around committed OOC schedules. I know four teams are playing a 10th game against a conference opponent but it won’t count in the conference standings. They were scheduled prior to the new four coming in.

But, rivalries may not matter in the future since the only ones are Zona/ASU, BYU/Utah and Kansas/K-State.
 
Deep Creek said:
Maybe I’ve got it wrong. I was under the impression the four highest CFP rated conference champions (regardless of which conference they come from) would get the first round byes.

If that’s not the case then I’m okay with the whole thing…even though I don’t think Liberty would be one of the 12 teams… but they would have been.
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that is the case. i just wasnt sure how you meant it and while i would bet 98% of the time it will go to the P4 its not impossible for the g5/6 to also be able to get first round bye.
 
OlyDuck said:
that is the case. i just wasnt sure how you meant it and while i would bet 98% of the time it will go to the P4 its not impossible for the g5/6 to also be able to get first round bye.
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If the Big 12/ACC champs could have 3 losses…especially the Big 12. Again, in such a case I don’t see them as better than a one loss B1G/SEC runnerup. But they get the first round bye,right?
 
OlyDuck said:
Path difficulty? Tulane, Arizona, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa State. Why isnt Kansas their final? is the Big XII not doing rivals?
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Path difficulty doesn’t assume toughest path. Their path is perceptibly easier just by being in the notSEC/notB1G.
 
OlyDuck said:
do you mean that 4 conference champions or did you mean THE four? technically THE four are all but guaranteed but not 100% guaranteed.
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Will be funny the first time we have something like a 4 loss Georgia Tech have a really good conference championship game and beat an unbeaten team to earn that AQ and Bye.

edit: I guess they wouldn't be a top 4 ranked, so maybe the bye doesn't kick in for them. Still will be funny.
 
Deep Creek said:
If the Big 12/ACC champs could have 3 losses…especially the Big 12. Again, in such a case I don’t see them as better than a one loss B1G/SEC runnerup. But they get the first round bye,right?
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So my question there is who is the (going to pick on my conference) SEC "runnerup" in some cases? Is it the loser of the conference championship game or a 1 loss that didn't play in the championship game because of head to head loss?
 
fordman84 said:
So my question there is who is the (going to pick on my conference) SEC "runnerup" in some cases? Is it the loser of the conference championship game or a 1 loss that didn't play in the championship game because of head to head loss?
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Good question. My answer would be whoever the CFP committee says but what the hell do I know.
 
fordman84 said:
Will be funny the first time we have something like a 4 loss Georgia Tech have a really good conference championship game and beat an unbeaten team to earn that AQ and Bye.

edit: I guess they wouldn't be a top 4 ranked, so maybe the bye doesn't kick in for them. Still will be funny.
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I'm not sure but the scenario you just put forward is the reason I don't think conference champs should be autos and receive byes.
 
Deep Creek said:
I'm not sure but the scenario you just put forward is the reason I don't think conference champs should be autos and receive byes.
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I like the idea of auto bids & byes for conference champs... BUT... only TWO auto bids & byes... in other words I want to see the playoff increased to 14 teams with the top two ranked conference champs getting the byes & auto bids.
 
Innermind said:
I like the idea of auto bids & byes for conference champs... BUT... only TWO auto bids & byes... in other words I want to see the playoff increased to 14 teams with the top two ranked conference champs getting the byes & auto bids.
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That right there would probably alleviate the possible scenario about Georgia Tech fordman described a few posts ^^^^^^
I just believe the best teams period should be rewarded with byes and home fields the first round.

The increased number of playoff teams, first round byes and home field hosting are great motivators to hold more interest in more games later in the season...the opposite of what the old guard said would happen with expanded playoffs.
 
Deep Creek said:
That right there would probably alleviate the possible scenario about Georgia Tech fordman described a few posts ^^^^^^
I just believe the best teams period should be rewarded with byes and home fields the first round.

The increased number of playoff teams, first round byes and home field hosting are great motivators to hold more interest in more games later in the season...the opposite of what the old guard said would happen with expanded playoffs.
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I'm thinking, or hoping I guess, that with 12 playoff spots there won't be this push to try to keep great teams who had a late season loss artificially high. By that I mean there is no need to try to keep Bama at 4 when everyone knows they didn't play in their CCG, but everyone also knows they have one of the 4 best teams. Now they can let them fall to 7-8 and still be in the playoffs. With that in mind, the top 4 seeds shouldn't have been teams that lost their CCG. It could and probably will at some point happen, but the top 4 teams in the final BCS ranking should have the byes. And more often than not, those top 4 teams all won their final game of the year which should be the CCG.

12 team playoff should just change the saying from "want to be in the playoffs, then win all your games" to "want to be in the playoffs, then don't lose more than one game".
 
fordman84 said:
I'm thinking, or hoping I guess, that with 12 playoff spots there won't be this push to try to keep great teams who had a late season loss artificially high. By that I mean there is no need to try to keep Bama at 4 when everyone knows they didn't play in their CCG, but everyone also knows they have one of the 4 best teams. Now they can let them fall to 7-8 and still be in the playoffs. With that in mind, the top 4 seeds shouldn't have been teams that lost their CCG. It could and probably will at some point happen, but the top 4 teams in the final BCS ranking should have the byes. And more often than not, those top 4 teams all won their final game of the year which should be the CCG.

12 team playoff should just change the saying from "want to be in the playoffs, then win all your games" to "want to be in the playoffs, then don't lose more than one game".
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I can see your point with the artificially high comment. (I've always referred to that as the historic halo perception/reputation.) And that 13th data point should mean a lot. Especially since divisions are gone. I would hope not having divisions will eliminate that Georgia Tech type scenario from happening. But I could still see the Big 12 having two 2-3 loss teams in their CCG. Not a lot of variance top to bottom IMO. Maybe a couple separate themselves and avoid a couple of clunkers.

Did you mean the "top 4 conference champions" or just the top 4 teams period?
 
OlyDuck said:
Path difficulty? Tulane, Arizona, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa State. Why isnt Kansas their final? is the Big XII not doing rivals?
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There are four protected rivalries in the new Big XII: K.U. vs. K-State, Baylor vs. T.C.U., B.Y.U. vs. Utah and Ariz. State vs. Arizona.

Kansas vs. Kansas State is a protected rivalry, but it has always been a floating rivalry (date played) during the season, not an end of year rivalry. Before Mizzou split for the S.E.C., K.U. ended their season vs. Mizzou historically. K-State has alternated with Iowa State and some other teams for their end of year game.

Many Iowa State fans are annoyed that Iowa State vs. K-State wasn't protected, as they are the Cyclones' most played rival and have met every year since the 1920s. Personally, I don't care though. That game never means much to me beyond the W or the L. Personally, I enjoy the other old Big 8 games with Kansas and Oklahoma State more and look forward to Colorado coming back to the fold.
 
Deep Creek said:
I can see your point with the artificially high comment. (I've always referred to that as the historic halo perception/reputation.) And that 13th data point should mean a lot. Especially since divisions are gone. I would hope not having divisions will eliminate that Georgia Tech type scenario from happening. But I could still see the Big 12 having two 2-3 loss teams in their CCG. Not a lot of variance top to bottom IMO. Maybe a couple separate themselves and avoid a couple of clunkers.

Did you mean the "top 4 conference champions" or just the top 4 teams period?
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My preference is the top 4 overall. Most years those should be champs of their conference.
 
OlyDuck said:
Path difficulty? Tulane, Arizona, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas, Iowa State. Why isnt Kansas their final? is the Big XII not doing rivals?
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That’s not exactly a cake walk.

And the B12 is doing rivalries but they want to pick weeks where more people may be likely to watch and not the usual rivalry week. I’m not exactly for this and only so many rivalries being protected is BS imo but it is what it is. I do agree with @78Cyclones that Farmageddon should be a protected rivalry.
 
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