Why bowl games are valuable ...

michaeljordan_fan said:
Unique viewers? Or counting the same viewers over and over?
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Counting viewers for sporting events isn’t unique … it’s how many people watched a particular game and was therefore subject to the advertising. Because I watched a game on 12/15 doesn’t mean I don’t count if I watch a game on 12/29. Over 100 million viewers watched bowl games. That’s impressive and valuable.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Counting viewers for sporting events isn’t unique … it’s how many people watched a particular game and was therefore subject to the advertising. Because I watched a game on 12/15 doesn’t mean I don’t count if I watch a game on 12/29. Over 100 million viewers watched bowl games. That’s impressive and valuable.
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2-4 million people that watch a lot of bowl games is less impressive than a total of 100 million different viewers watching bowl games.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
2-4 million people that watch a lot of bowl games is less impressive than a total of 100 million different viewers watching bowl games.
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I don't get your point. When Bama or UGA have 7 4+ million viewer games it doesn't matter that a lot of those are the same people. When X million people watched Game of Thrones the advertisers didn't care that they were the same people most weeks.

FWIW, with bowl games, the 100+million viewers were likely different ... people watching Toledo play Witchita aren't the same people watching Boise v. Utah Valley except for a couple hundred degenerate CFB fans.

To compare this, the World Series this past year over 5 games had about 45 million viewers (a lot of the same people for whatever that is worth). So, a bunch of shitty bowl games out paced the World Series.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't get your point. When Bama or UGA have 7 4+ million viewer games it doesn't matter that a lot of those are the same people. When X million people watched Game of Thrones the advertisers didn't care that they were the same people most weeks.

FWIW, with bowl games, the 100+million viewers were likely different ... people watching Toledo play Witchita aren't the same people watching Boise v. Utah Valley except for a couple hundred degenerate CFB fans.

To compare this, the World Series this past year over 5 games had about 45 million viewers (a lot of the same people for whatever that is worth). So, a bunch of shitty bowl games out paced the World Series.
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the shitty bowls averaged 9 million viewers?
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
the shitty bowls averaged 9 million viewers?
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No ... here, have at it.


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WhosYourDawggy said:
Counting viewers for sporting events isn’t unique … it’s how many people watched a particular game and was therefore subject to the advertising. Because I watched a game on 12/15 doesn’t mean I don’t count if I watch a game on 12/29. Over 100 million viewers watched bowl games. That’s impressive and valuable.
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I think he is pointing out that there are probably 500-1 million sick fucks that watch every bowl game. America’s appetite to watch shitty football is pretty insane.
 
Codaxx said:
I think he is pointing out that there are probably 500-1 million sick fucks that watch every bowl game. America’s appetite to watch shitty football is pretty insane.
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I heard that "The Annoying Rectal Itch Bowl" beat out "The Heartbreak of Psoriasis Bowl" by 26 viewers. Close race!
 
Codaxx said:
I think he is pointing out that there are probably 500-1 million sick fucks that watch every bowl game. America’s appetite to watch shitty football is pretty insane.
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I get that but I don't understand how that matters. When you talk about TV viewership, which is what I was talking about, it's about advertising.

FWIW, I think those sick fucks are in the minority. Most people watching the games are the fans of those teams. They match watch a few more than their team's game, but the 100+ million is fairly unique I'd guess.

When people talk about how many viewers the World Cup gets, or the NFL gets in a season, they aren't counting unique sets of eyeballs.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
The highest "shitty" bowl you posted was the Gator Bowl, which had less than 6 million.

Try again.
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I truly have no idea what you are talking about.

- The discussion is that there are too many bowls, and bowls suck, and they may go away.

- Amongst other things, I pointed out that over 100+ million people watched them in 2022. I was, of course, totaling the total number of viewers for each game. That is an impressive number of viewers.

- I pointed out that 13 games had over 4+ million viewers. It was pointed out that I was wrong - I was going by memory so I relooked at the information, and I was wrong - it was 7 non-CFP games had over 4+ million viewers, not 13. That poster and I shared a laugh at each other because I was wrong, and he was also wrong when he civilly called me out.

4+ million viewer games are special in the marketing world. That is why I identified them. The entire season in 2022 had 45 of them. This shows there is a lot of interest and value in non-CFP bowl games. It's why they aren't going away.

I have no idea, other than he seems to not like my posting, why @michaeljordan_fan is arguing with me here. I never said the bowls were "shitty" and I never used the term 6 million. I am not sure what I am supposed to try again ... I have made my point very clearly.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
2-4 million people that watch a lot of bowl games is less impressive than a total of 100 million different viewers watching bowl games.
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I just re-read this ... if 2-4 million people are watching between 25 - 50 bowl games each - that's the math you have presented - that is impressive as hell. That might even be more impressive than an aggregate of 100+ million people watching the games.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I just re-read this ... if 2-4 million people are watching between 25 - 50 bowl games each - that's the math you have presented - that is impressive as hell. That might even be more impressive than an aggregate of 100+ million people watching the games.
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Devil's advocate here.

How many people are NOT watching? Bowl games are not important in the grand scheme of things.
 
Kburjr said:
Devil's advocate here.

How many people are NOT watching? Bowl games are not important in the grand scheme of things.
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From the perspective of "they suck, they are going away, they don't mean anything, no one cares" they seem to be damned important. 100 million viewers, 7 4+ million non-CFP games, the money they raise, etc. And, if you have watched any everyone is having a ball with Duke Mayo, Pop Tarts, etc.

Pro Tip: food companies are the ones who should be sponsoring these bowls - just see what Dukes and Pop-Tarts have done. I am going to buy pop tarts the next time I am in the store and I have done that since my kids were 5.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
From the perspective of "they suck, they are going away, they don't mean anything, no one cares" they seem to be damned important. 100 million viewers, 7 4+ million non-CFP games, the money they raise, etc. And, if you have watched any everyone is having a ball with Duke Mayo, Pop Tarts, etc.

Pro Tip: food companies are the ones who should be sponsoring these bowls - just see what Dukes and Pop-Tarts have done. I am going to buy pop tarts the next time I am in the store and I have done that since my kids were 5.
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And 100 million households don't watch a single minute.

It would be interesting to know how many people make buying decisions based on advertising seen on a college bowl game. ESPN is scamming the hell out of their advertisers.
 
Kburjr said:
And 100 million households don't watch a single minute.

It would be interesting to know how many people make buying decisions based on advertising seen on a college bowl game. ESPN is scamming the hell out of their advertisers.
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You must think these huge corporations love throwing money away.
 
Kburjr said:
And 100 million households don't watch a single minute.

It would be interesting to know how many people make buying decisions based on advertising seen on a college bowl game. ESPN is scamming the hell out of their advertisers.
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I get being a devil's advocate, but are you really trying to say that the fundamental aspect of TV marketing, basically since the beginning of TV, is nonsense?
 
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