Poll Your Preferred 16 Team playoff Format

[OlyDuck]

Yeah, but what was posted above indicates that UGA would play the winner of SMU/Tennessee.

If they go to 16, they are going to have to play those 1st round games the weekend of Army/Navy to keep everything else on track and keep the rest of the schedule like it was this past season. Teams seeded 3 and 4 would just have to play that weekend now.

you guys are talking about 2 different scenarios.
Eric you are talking if they did byes where dawg is not.

 

[ericd7633]

you guys are talking about 2 different scenarios.
Eric you are talking if they did byes where dawg is not.

Makes sense. I was confused bc he quoted my post, so I thought he was referencing that one.

 

[OlyDuck]

I can't see them doing a double bye. That's ridiculous.

But, if you look at the brackets above, the idea that UGA would play Clemson or USCjr, while others play BSU, ASU, or SMU, that just isn't right. That is where the seednig will come into play. Because right now if I am UGA playing Clemson/USC instead of BSU or ASU, that's BS in my mind.

i mean thats just because of the rankings and how they happened to be.

 

[Deep Creek]

Am I the only one that thinks it should just be the top sixteen teams regardless of conference affiliation? I'm guessing the "5" is to assure the ACC, Big 12 and one G5 have a spot in the playoff.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I hate the expanded playoff so much.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yeah, but what was posted above indicates that UGA would play the winner of SMU/Tennessee.

If they go to 16, they are going to have to play those 1st round games the weekend of Army/Navy to keep everything else on track and keep the rest of the schedule like it was this past season. Teams seeded 3 and 4 would just have to play that weekend now.

At some point they will start the season in Week 0, move Rival Weekend the week before Thanksgiving, and then do the Champ Weekend over Thanksgiving weekend. There is some talk of moving Army/Navy to Week 0 or 1. If they have a shot at the CFP, and Navy did last year, they need to not play when they play now.

 

[ericd7633]

At some point they will start the season in Week 0, move Rival Weekend the week before Thanksgiving, and then do the Champ Weekend over Thanksgiving weekend. There is some talk of moving Army/Navy to Week 0 or 1. If they have a shot at the CFP, and Navy did last year, they need to not play when they play now.

I agree. Would love to see the season start when week 0 does. And yes, I think Army/Navy will move up.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I agree. Would love to see the season start when week 0 does. And yes, I think Army/Navy will move up.

Most schools in the south start in mid-August, so the students will be there. In the midwest and west, it's more than last Monday of August. Which means people will have moved in that previous week. So, that is going to happen at some point.

 

[Innermind]

Seems like the ACC and B12 are pretty set on the 5+11 model (5 highest conference champs, 11 at-larges)

B1G wants the 4+4+2+2+1+3 model (4 for the B1G/SEC, 2 for the ACC/B12, 1 G5, 3 at-larges)

I find it strange that the ACC and Big XII would prefer the 5+11 system because it seems that 5+11 would not be as advantageous to the ACC & Big XII... I believe having at least 2 guaranteed playoff slots under the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system would be much better for the ACC and Big XII...

Essentially under the 5+11 system I could realistically see the following scenario happen often:

SEC - 6
B1G - 5
Notre Dame - 1
G5 - 1
ACC - 2
Big XII - 1

or almost the same scenario except with:
Big XII - 2
ACC - 1

...basically under the 5+11 system I could see the ACC plus Big XII typically getting only 3 playoff spots combined between themselves many, if not most years.

 

[Deep Creek]

I find it strange that the ACC and Big XII would prefer the 5+11 system because it seems that 5+11 would not be as advantageous to the ACC & Big XII... I believe having at least 2 guaranteed playoff slots under the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system would be much better for the ACC and Big XII...

Essentially under the 5+11 system I could realistically see the following scenario happen often:

SEC - 6
B1G - 5
Notre Dame - 1
G5 - 1
ACC - 2
Big XII - 1

or almost the same scenario except with:
Big XII - 2
ACC - 1

...basically under the 5+11 system I could see the ACC plus Big XII typically getting only 3 playoff spots combined between themselves many, if not most years.

I can't see why those two conferences prefer 5+11 either. I can see the ACC more than the Big 12 because it seems the ACC has more separation among the members than the Big 12. I've said before, I don't see a lot of difference in the top and bottom teams in the Big 12. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if their top teams all have 4-5 losses. I don't think a second team would get in with those records. Hell, last year the top 9 teams were above .500 in conference with none really having great OOC wins. Maybe BYU's over SMU? ISU over Iowa?

 

[OlyDuck]

I find it strange that the ACC and Big XII would prefer the 5+11 system because it seems that 5+11 would not be as advantageous to the ACC & Big XII... I believe having at least 2 guaranteed playoff slots under the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system would be much better for the ACC and Big XII...

Essentially under the 5+11 system I could realistically see the following scenario happen often:

SEC - 6
B1G - 5
Notre Dame - 1
G5 - 1
ACC - 2
Big XII - 1

or almost the same scenario except with:
Big XII - 2
ACC - 1

...basically under the 5+11 system I could see the ACC plus Big XII typically getting only 3 playoff spots combined between themselves many, if not most years.

Literally last year ACC would have got 3 in alone. the Big XII had 1 and 2 that would have been just out. 1 more win for either could have been the difference.

 

[OlyDuck]

i think some of the problem is the rankings tho. biases and all.

 

[ericd7633]

I find it strange that the ACC and Big XII would prefer the 5+11 system because it seems that 5+11 would not be as advantageous to the ACC & Big XII... I believe having at least 2 guaranteed playoff slots under the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system would be much better for the ACC and Big XII...

Essentially under the 5+11 system I could realistically see the following scenario happen often:

SEC - 6
B1G - 5
Notre Dame - 1
G5 - 1
ACC - 2
Big XII - 1

or almost the same scenario except with:
Big XII - 2
ACC - 1

...basically under the 5+11 system I could see the ACC plus Big XII typically getting only 3 playoff spots combined between themselves many, if not most years.

The ACC and B1G have the same number of titles in the bcs/CFP era if I'm not mistaken. If Clemson, FSU and Miami are all at their best, they can all make the CFP. Then you have teams like SMU and UNC who are financially invested right now. My guess, most years the ACC/B12 will get a combined 4 or 5 teams.

But say, hypothetically, and using this year as an example, if Clemson beats LSU, Miami beats ND, which isn't that far fetched, and they get other good results, the ACC could be in a great position for 3 teams in a 12 team playoff.

It's all going to come down to how the ACC/B12 perform OOC.

 

[OlyDuck]

The ACC and B1G have the same number of titles in the bcs/CFP era if I'm not mistaken. If Clemson, FSU and Miami are all at their best, they can all make the CFP. Then you have teams like SMU and UNC who are financially invested right now. My guess, most years the ACC/B12 will get a combined 4 or 5 teams.

But say, hypothetically, and using this year as an example, if Clemson beats LSU, Miami beats ND, which isn't that far fetched, and they get other good results, the ACC could be in a great position for 3 teams in a 12 team playoff.

It's all going to come down to how the ACC/B12 perform OOC.

perception will also be a factor.

 

[ericd7633]

perception will also be a factor.

Agreed, which will come from winning big OOC games. Imagine the perception if Clemson beats LSU, Miami beats ND, UNC beats TCU, VT beats South Carolina and GT beats Colorado. That's not to mention if somehow FSU beat Bama or Cuse beat Tennessee (which I'd put at like 5%). But all those other games are totally realistic of the ACC winning IMO.

 

[OlyDuck]

Agreed, which will come from winning big OOC games. Imagine the perception if Clemson beats LSU, Miami beats ND, UNC beats TCU, VT beats South Carolina and GT beats Colorado. That's not to mention if somehow FSU beat Bama or Cuse beat Tennessee (which I'd put at like 5%). But all those other games are totally realistic of the ACC winning IMO.

i mean things like why was BigXII champ Arizona State ranked behind Bama at 11-2 with losses @ 8-5TT and @5-7 Cinci while Bama was 9-3 not a championship game participant with losses @7-6 Vandy @6-7 Oklahoma and @10-3 Tenn. the perception of the Bama from the past.

 

[Innermind]

My guess, most years the ACC/B12 will get a combined 4 or 5 teams.

Perhaps... but that is possible under both the 5+11 and the 4+4+2+2+1+3 systems, but it is NOT a guarantee (for the combined ACC + Big XII) under the 5+11 system... however it IS a guarantee of AT LEAST 4 slots for the combined ACC + Big XII under the 4+4+2+2+1+3.

It is undeniable that the 4+4+2+2+1+3 is the better choice for the ACC + Big XII, ESPECIALLY the Big XII. Guaranteed 2 slots for each of the ACC & Big XII is better than no guarantee. It makes no sense that the ACC and especially the Big XII would prefer the 5+11 system.

However...
I personally prefer the 5+11 system because guarantees under the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system would be bad under the following 2 scenarios:
1 - An entire conference is having a down season
2 - Post season bans/sanctions preventing one or more very good teams in the same conference from getting a playoff slot and thus allowing normally unworthy teams into the playoff under a multiple guaranteed slot system.

I remember in 2012 when Wisconsin faced Nebraska in the B1G conference championship game in Indianapolis because BOTH Ohio State & Penn State were under post season bans. I do not want to see a similar situation happen in a 16 team national playoff under a 4+4+2+2+1+3 guaranteed slot system. Imagine a hypothetical year if both Miami & Clemson were under post season bans, yet the ACC had 2 guaranteed playoff slots... worse yet, imagine a similar hypothetical situation in the Big XII.

That is why 5+11 is superior... but the 4+4+2+2+1+3 system is definitely the wisest choice for the ACC and ESPECIALLY the Big XII.

5+11 is clearly the best choice for the integrity of the system, especially during years when multiple very good teams are sanctioned with post season bans.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

What a lot of people are missing is the rationale behind AQs:

- Without AQs, teams don't have an incentive to play tough OOC games. With AQs, you can play a couple tough games OOC, lose one or two, and still run your conference. We want OOC games. USC hedging on playing ND is a good example. UCLA ducking UGA is another.

- AQs clearly keep more teams interested late in the season. For example, the B12 had 8 teams that had a chance, no matter how remote, to win the championship last year. It would be that many or more to get in the top 2.

- AQs enable the conferences to do the play in games. If you do the 2.5+2.5 scenario, this is your Thanksgiving line-up once they start the season on Week 0:

SEC 1 v. 2
SEC 3 v. 6
SEC 4 v. 5
B1G 1 v. 2
B1G 3 v. 6
B1G 4 v. 5
ACC 1 v. 2
B12 1 v. 2
ACC 3 v. B12 3

We have to figure out what ND has to do.

- AQs mean the SEC and ACC go to 9 IC games, generating a bunch more great games, at least in the SEC.

But, these three reasons and the revenue they will drive, not to mention they are all fan and TV friendly, means they have to be considered.

 

[Deep Creek]

Agreed, which will come from winning big OOC games. Imagine the perception if Clemson beats LSU, Miami beats ND, UNC beats TCU, VT beats South Carolina and GT beats Colorado. That's not to mention if somehow FSU beat Bama or Cuse beat Tennessee (which I'd put at like 5%). But all those other games are totally realistic of the ACC winning IMO.

Not sure OOC wins over TCU and Colorado will look god when all is said and done.

Now watch one of them go on a rin since I popped off!