ACC Looks To Be Going To The Pod System In 2023

duckboy33 said:
isn’t the ACCs tv deal locked in for a while?
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Kind of my point ... if they could go to 9 and get more $$$, they would.

I was surprised to read that the SEC going to 9 IC games won't trigger a renegotiation of the TV contract. Now, OU and UT coming in might, and then going to 9 might. But a move to 9 alone won't do it.
 
Hitman Hart said:
i'm guessing its going to look similar to this:

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, Miami
Clemson: GT, FSU, Wake
Duke: UNC, Wake, NCSU
FSU: Miami, Clemson, Louisville
GT: Clemson, UVa, VT
Louisville: Louisville, Pitt, FSU
Miami: FSU, BC, VT
Pitt: Syracuse, BC, Louisville
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, Louisville
UNC: NCSU, Duke, UVa
NCSU: UNC, Wake, Duke
UVa: VT, UNC, GT
VT: UVa, Miami, GT
Wake: NCSU, Duke, Clemson

only ones I'm pretty confident in are Duke, UNC and NCSU. Louisville not having much history with the rest of the league makes things a little weird. Clemson/Wake playing each other every year would be weird, but not really sure who else makes sense. The long running series between UVa and UNC ruins the all North Carolina "pod". not sure how the league perceives the fake Louisville/Virginia rivalry. could also see the league scrapping NCSU/Duke and doing Clemson/NCSU instead.
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You would know better than me but wouldn't they want the Four North Carolina schools to all play each other? I know that doesn't happen now but that maybe something they shoot for.

The rest of these make sense with the exception of Louisville who has Louisville as one of its 3 opponents (I think that is a typo and should be Syracuse).
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Miami having BC as a permanent opponent is hilarious.
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There is some history (granted ancient history) there.

BC and Miami had some epic matchups back when Doug Flutie played at BC. I know this is going WAY back so apologies for that, just trying to find someway to justify it.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You would know better than me but wouldn't they want the Four North Carolina schools to all play each other? I know that doesn't happen now but that maybe something they shoot for.

The rest of these make sense with the exception of Louisville who has Louisville as one of its 3 opponents (I think that is a typo and should be Syracuse).
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UNC/UVa is the oldest running series in the southeast
 
Hitman Hart said:
UNC/UVa is the oldest running series in the southeast
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Thanks. Very helpful. I always heard Auburn-Georgia (it is the second most played)

List of most-played college football series in NCAA Division I - Wikipedia

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In the top ten for the South is Kentucky-Tennessee and Tennessee-Vanderbilt but @Wild Turkey thinks these series are not important enough to keep based on a discussion in a separate thread about SEC Scheduling. (From pure SEC matchup standpoint, only Texas-Texas A&M, Auburn-Georgia, and the Egg Bowl has been played more than those two series).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Thanks. Very helpful. I always heard Auburn-Georgia (it is the second most played)

List of most-played college football series in NCAA Division I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

In the top ten for the South is Kentucky-Tennessee and Tennessee-Vanderbilt but @Wild Turkey thinks these series are not important enough to keep based on a discussion in a separate thread about SEC Scheduling. (From pure SEC matchup standpoint, only Texas-Texas A&M, Auburn-Georgia, and the Egg Bowl has been played more than those two series).
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You really don’t get it.

When Alabama vs LSU is on the chopping block which is absolutely a massive historical game the UT vs Vandy or KY games are also.

I don’t see both surviving and keeping parity in the league.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You really don’t get it.

When Alabama vs LSU is on the chopping block which is absolutely a massive historical game the UT vs Vandy or KY games are also.

I don’t see both surviving and keeping parity in the league.
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No you don't get it. You have no connections to Kentucky, Tennessee, or Vanderbilt and yet you are arguing with a Vandy alumni @WhosYourDawggy and a Tennessee Alumni, myself, about our schools and our tradition.

Tennessee-Knoxville had two other sister research institutes that I could access as a student and get periodicals or research from, they were Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

They are OUR HISTORIC rivals, even more so than Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. Robert "Bob" Neyland, the most famous Tennessee coach, was hired to beat Vanderbilt as it was stated to him by the Athletic Director (something he was very successful with).

There is no way we are dumping the in-state rivalry game with Vanderbilt or the rivalry game with our sister-state school to the North. UK fans consider Tennessee to be their greatest rival after Louisville in both basketball and football.
Sure, Tennessee has been far more successful than both of these schools historically but that doesn't mean we are NOT Rivals. Hell, Florida still considers us a rival even though we are 1-12 against them the last 13 years and Alabama fans still hate Vols with a passion even though they are undefeated against us with Saban.

Alabama-LSU is a strong rivalry but it really didn't get high importance until 2008 and it had a lot to do with Saban. Alabama-Mississippi State is a longer running series than Alabama-LSU. I am not 100% sure if Alabama will not keep the LSU rivalry but I will say Alabama will very likely keep both Auburn and Tennessee so having LSU seems less likely due to the imbalance of their schedule and perhaps the fact that Alabama may want to keep Mississippi State since it is one of the longest running series in the SEC.

In summary, I can guarantee if SEC does 3-team pods, Tennessee's three opponents will be Alabama, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. If any of them would be at risk it would be Alabama. I will happily come eat crow if I am wrong.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You really don’t get it.

When Alabama vs LSU is on the chopping block which is absolutely a massive historical game the UT vs Vandy or KY games are also.

I don’t see both surviving and keeping parity in the league.
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Actually, we both get it. You are the one that seems willing to die on this stupid hill.

First, I want the LSU Bama rivalry to continue and I think they will try to make it so. It's been one of the best rivalries in the last 15 years.

That said, you keep minimizing the Vandy v. UT game which means you simply don't understand the nature of that rivalry. It's more aligned with AU v. UA than UA v. LSU. In-state rivalries where fans don't really like each other, yet often have divided families.

Your entire reasoning is based on the idea that the game doesn't draw eyeballs. While the no. 1 rule of conference expansion is money, rule no. 2 is tradition. It's rule no. 2 that will apply here. If rule no. 1 was the be all, end all, then you would only have the top 6 or 7 teams playing each other. We know that won't happen and that there has to be balance and guarding of tradition.

I don't know about UT v. UK, or VU v. UK, but I know for a fact that UTjr v. VU will be one of the rivalries that will be maintained.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, we both get it. You are the one that seems willing to die on this stupid hill.

First, I want the LSU Bama rivalry to continue and I think they will try to make it so. It's been one of the best rivalries in the last 15 years.

That said, you keep minimizing the Vandy v. UT game which means you simply don't understand the nature of that rivalry. It's more aligned with AU v. UA than UA v. LSU. In-state rivalries where fans don't really like each other, yet often have divided families.

Your entire reasoning is based on the idea that the game doesn't draw eyeballs. While the no. 1 rule of conference expansion is money, rule no. 2 is tradition. It's rule no. 2 that will apply here. If rule no. 1 was the be all, end all, then you would only have the top 6 or 7 teams playing each other. We know that won't happen and that there has to be balance and guarding of tradition.

I don't know about UT v. UK, or VU v. UK, but I know for a fact that UTjr v. VU will be one of the rivalries that will be maintained.
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I'm an old fart and therefore basically a traditionalist. But tradition got stomped on and shit on several years ago when Oklahoma-Nebraska, Texas-Texas A&M, Kansas-Mizzou no longer existed. Not to mention Maryland leaving tradition behind and heading to the B1G and the ACC bringing in misfits from the Big East. Some tradtions have survived...others haven't. Even some of those that survived have been diminished.
 
Deep Creek said:
I'm an old fart and therefore basically a traditionalist. But tradition got stomped on and shit on several years ago when Oklahoma-Nebraska, Texas-Texas A&M, Kansas-Mizzou no longer existed. Not to mention Maryland leaving tradition behind and heading to the B1G and the ACC bringing in misfits from the Big East. Some tradtions have survived...others haven't. Even some of those that survived have been diminished.
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But those are when the teams went to other conferences. This is with teams in the same conference. But, I get your overall point ... tradition doesn't always trump these days.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You really don’t get it.

When Alabama vs LSU is on the chopping block which is absolutely a massive historical game the UT vs Vandy or KY games are also.

I don’t see both surviving and keeping parity in the league.
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Volbound1700 said:
No you don't get it. You have no connections to Kentucky, Tennessee, or Vanderbilt and yet you are arguing with a Vandy alumni @WhosYourDawggy and a Tennessee Alumni, myself, about our schools and our tradition.

Tennessee-Knoxville had two other sister research institutes that I could access as a student and get periodicals or research from, they were Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

They are OUR HISTORIC rivals, even more so than Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. Robert "Bob" Neyland, the most famous Tennessee coach, was hired to beat Vanderbilt as it was stated to him by the Athletic Director (something he was very successful with).

There is no way we are dumping the in-state rivalry game with Vanderbilt or the rivalry game with our sister-state school to the North. UK fans consider Tennessee to be their greatest rival after Louisville in both basketball and football.
Sure, Tennessee has been far more successful than both of these schools historically but that doesn't mean we are NOT Rivals. Hell, Florida still considers us a rival even though we are 1-12 against them the last 13 years and Alabama fans still hate Vols with a passion even though they are undefeated against us with Saban.

Alabama-LSU is a strong rivalry but it really didn't get high importance until 2008 and it had a lot to do with Saban. Alabama-Mississippi State is a longer running series than Alabama-LSU. I am not 100% sure if Alabama will not keep the LSU rivalry but I will say Alabama will very likely keep both Auburn and Tennessee so having LSU seems less likely due to the imbalance of their schedule and perhaps the fact that Alabama may want to keep Mississippi State since it is one of the longest running series in the SEC.

In summary, I can guarantee if SEC does 3-team pods, Tennessee's three opponents will be Alabama, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. If any of them would be at risk it would be Alabama. I will happily come eat crow if I am wrong.
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WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, we both get it. You are the one that seems willing to die on this stupid hill.

First, I want the LSU Bama rivalry to continue and I think they will try to make it so. It's been one of the best rivalries in the last 15 years.

That said, you keep minimizing the Vandy v. UT game which means you simply don't understand the nature of that rivalry. It's more aligned with AU v. UA than UA v. LSU. In-state rivalries where fans don't really like each other, yet often have divided families.

Your entire reasoning is based on the idea that the game doesn't draw eyeballs. While the no. 1 rule of conference expansion is money, rule no. 2 is tradition. It's rule no. 2 that will apply here. If rule no. 1 was the be all, end all, then you would only have the top 6 or 7 teams playing each other. We know that won't happen and that there has to be balance and guarding of tradition.

I don't know about UT v. UK, or VU v. UK, but I know for a fact that UTjr v. VU will be one of the rivalries that will be maintained.
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why do people try to force rivalry or discredit them when they have no affiliation to any side of it. if you dont get it you dont get it.

Oregon has rivalries with Oregon State and Washington. people kept trying to call Stanford a rivalry just because the two were on top of the Pac North for a few seasons but Oregon fans never saw them as a rival.
 
NC State and Wake Forest have played every year since 1910

ACC was hell bent on protecting the UNC/UVa series that neither fan base gives a shit about, but not the battle of Wake county

bullshit and I can't wait until this conference dies under Jim Phillip's leadership
 
Hitman Hart said:
NC State and Wake Forest have played every year since 1910

ACC was hell bent on protecting the UNC/UVa series that neither fan base gives a shit about, but not the battle of Wake county

bullshit and I can't wait until this conference dies under Jim Phillip's leadership
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and if it dies who works together to stay together and who does the majority leave out? who else would they invite to join?
 
OlyDuck said:
and if it dies who works together to stay together and who does the majority leave out? who else would they invite to join?
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Who cares? Clemson, FSU, UNC and UVa are the only schools that are safe tbh
 
I am going to propose some minor changes:

Boston College: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: UNC, NC State, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Louisville
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Louisville, Wake Forest
Louisville: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Syracuse
Miami: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
NC State: Clemson, Duke, UNC
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Miami, Pittsburgh, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia

Some minor changes here. Wake Forest and Louisville still seem a little messy. It would be nice to give Louisville another Big East rival like Pittsburgh and to give Wake Forest another North Carolina team (like NC State).
 
Hitman Hart said:
NC State and Wake Forest have played every year since 1910

ACC was hell bent on protecting the UNC/UVa series that neither fan base gives a shit about, but not the battle of Wake county

bullshit and I can't wait until this conference dies under Jim Phillip's leadership
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Dude, you're crazy about UVA & UNC not caring about that rivalry. Majority of UVA fans enjoy that series far more than the VT rivalry.
 
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