What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

[Deep Creek]

well it helps when you know that oregon and udub will jump out of there if/when the BiG offers a spot. They aren't offering spots to any current or future Big12 school, that's for sure.

BTW there was a tweet from an article from a westcoast guy that said FOX thinks Cal/Stanford is worth 90mil a year in TV rights.. which is more than Oregon/Udub together

Be interesting to see how it comes about with invites from the BiG. Also they mentioned that the BiG is going to charge them the same as they did to MD to come in lol

Then some network is gonna buy another pig in a poke.

 

[Volbound1700]

i don't know.. i actually have a feeling the SEC might at the end of the day..

Kansas makes sense in SEC with Missouri and Kentucky as rivals. However, Kansas football is so shitty that I am not sure anyone wants them. They could really use the teams from Mark Magino right now. In the past, Kansas had decent teams. They weren't great but they weren't total shit like they are now.

Because of how bad their football is, they are likely to be left behind.

 

[Thiefery]

Kansas makes sense in SEC with Missouri and Kentucky as rivals. However, Kansas football is so shitty that I am not sure anyone wants them. They could really use the teams from Mark Magino right now. In the past, Kansas had decent teams. They weren't great but they weren't total shit like they are now.

Because of how bad their football is, they are likely to be left behind.

they beaten us twice in the past 6 seasons, that's good enough lol

 

[Deep Creek]

Kansas makes sense in SEC with Missouri and Kentucky as rivals. However, Kansas football is so shitty that I am not sure anyone wants them. They could really use the teams from Mark Magino right now. In the past, Kansas had decent teams. They weren't great but they weren't total shit like they are now.

Because of how bad their football is, they are likely to be left behind.

None of this is about quality of football or any other athletic program. It is about BRAND name AND the BRAND NAME DOLLARS that come (or don't come) with that name. That's it.

 

[Fog]

None of this is about quality of football or any other athletic program. It is about BRAND name AND the BRAND NAME DOLLARS that come (or don't come) with that name. That's it.

Then add in TV Markets....With USC and UCLA, along with Rutgers and they have the top two TV Markets.

 

[Volbound1700]

None of this is about quality of football or any other athletic program. It is about BRAND name AND the BRAND NAME DOLLARS that come (or don't come) with that name. That's it.

True but Kansas' brand has taken a hit due to the shitty football. Sure their Basketball is amazing.

Honestly, SEC could probably use them because of all the major sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc.), Men's Basketball is our worse sport. Having Kansas would be a huge boost and give Kentucky a major rival. It also restores Missouri-Kansas border war game.

 

[Thiefery]

True but Kansas' brand has taken a hit due to the shitty football. Sure their Basketball is amazing.

Honestly, SEC could probably use them because of all the major sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc.), Men's Basketball is our worse sport. Having Kansas would be a huge boost and give Kentucky a major rival. It also restores Missouri-Kansas border war game.

I know they beat us but they were very competitive in most conference games this past season too. Hell they almost knocked off ou, too

 

[Top Cat]

True but Kansas' brand has taken a hit due to the shitty football. Sure their Basketball is amazing.

Honestly, SEC could probably use them because of all the major sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc.), Men's Basketball is our worse sport. Having Kansas would be a huge boost and give Kentucky a major rival. It also restores Missouri-Kansas border war game.

Not sure of its perception amongst decisionmakers, but in terms of just generating revenue they're doing OK as a school in a lot of respects. I don't think an immediate BIG invite is coming, but there are a lot "brands" in a lot worse shape out there in just the PAC-12 alone.

25th nationally at ~91M with a Big 12 payout.

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[ralphiewvu]

B12 needs to (wishful thinking)

-Add the 4 they are going to talk to from the PAC tomorrow to go to 16. (AZ schools, Colorado and Utah).

- Then approach the B1G and SEC offering to take some ACC schools (those conferences don’t want) to get the GOR moving. Maybe 4/6 to Get to 20/22 depending on if one or more of Washington,Stanford, or Oregon gets left out of the B1G and then grab them equaling 22.

- Then pray to the almighty on high that the B1G and SEC will grant them some sort of seat to be able to Have chance to play for a natty.

Out of all those bullet points I’d say the third is the toughest. But I’m just praying my mediocre program doesn’t find itself in the MAC in 10 years.

 

[CoalTrain]

So let’s say that everything stands pat for now, OU and Texas move on and USC/UCLA move on.
Will Oregon be the new OU from those two conferences? Meaning win it ( PAC or Big12 wherever they end up) most years then getting bounced in the playoff?
Who will have the easiest path to the playoff out of those two conferences?

 

[Thiefery]

So let’s say that everything stands pat for now, OU and Texas move on and USC/UCLA move on.
Will Oregon be the new OU from those two conferences? Meaning win it ( PAC or Big12 wherever they end up) most years then getting bounced in the playoff?
Who will have the easiest path to the playoff out of those two conferences?

playoff??

 

[OlyDuck]

So let’s say that everything stands pat for now, OU and Texas move on and USC/UCLA move on.
Will Oregon be the new OU from those two conferences? Meaning win it ( PAC or Big12 wherever they end up) most years then getting bounced in the playoff?
Who will have the easiest path to the playoff out of those two conferences?

playoff??

Oregon has more play off appearances and wins than both your schools combined...

 

[CoalTrain]

playoff??

I know that’s like a foreign language to Texas people but..

 

[Thiefery]

Oregon has more play off appearances and wins than both your schools combined...

I know that’s like a foreign language to Texas people but..

lol i was referring to as if whatever the rest of the conferences look outside the SEC BiG and ACC (for the time being) at getting a legit CFP shot lol

 

[CoalTrain]

lol i was referring to as if whatever the rest of the conferences look outside the SEC BiG and ACC (for the time being) at getting a legit CFP shot lol

You may be 100% right but speaking hypothetically for the time being, say it stays as is (hyping the “lower level” G5 ect.) and they get a shot.

I’m thinking Oregon might be in a good spot, they should still be able to throw decent enough money at recruits to be better than the vast majority of the new G5 schools.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'm more seeing WVU to the SEC.

Academics with Big 10 is likely a disqualifier.

They'd be foolish to entertain an ACC offer that restrains them through 2036.

I don't see WVU or any other school not name Notre Dame delivering $100 million in value. If you can't do that, everyone gets a smaller piece of pie. No one is agreeing to expand unless they get a larger piece of pie.

Seems a lot of people (not directed at you) think the SEC is going to expand just to respond to the B1G. The B1G responded to the SEC. There is no reason to grow larger unless you can make more money and I don't see that with what is left that isn't in the ACC (who can't get out of it). Even then, I am not sure a lot of ACC teams would increase the size of the pie. Your listing of top teams above is very compelling.

 

[Volbound1700]

I don't see WVU or any other school not name Notre Dame delivering $100 million in value. If you can't do that, everyone gets a smaller piece of pie. No one is agreeing to expand unless they get a larger piece of pie.

Seems a lot of people (not directed at you) think the SEC is going to expand just to respond to the B1G. The B1G responded to the SEC. There is no reason to grow larger unless you can make more money and I don't see that with what is left that isn't in the ACC (who can't get out of it). Even then, I am not sure a lot of ACC teams would increase the size of the pie. Your listing of top teams above is very compelling.

I would be surprised if there is any team announced this year going to B1G and SEC.

I see it eventually coming but it will slow down for a while. The rest of 2022 will be spent discussing the collapse of Pac12 and the fallout from that. Notre Dame is the prize that is on deck and I don't think Notre Dame is going to do anything this year.

I think the next announcement will be Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah moving to Big12.

 

[Thiefery]

I don't see WVU or any other school not name Notre Dame delivering $100 million in value. If you can't do that, everyone gets a smaller piece of pie. No one is agreeing to expand unless they get a larger piece of pie.

Seems a lot of people (not directed at you) think the SEC is going to expand just to respond to the B1G. The B1G responded to the SEC. There is no reason to grow larger unless you can make more money and I don't see that with what is left that isn't in the ACC (who can't get out of it). Even then, I am not sure a lot of ACC teams would increase the size of the pie. Your listing of top teams above is very compelling.

i'd actually prefer the SEC to stay as is.. if they had to add later down the road.. FSU and UNC are probably the best of the bunch for me personally. I'm thinking Clemson and UVA/VaTech would be the next two

 

[Volbound1700]

i'd actually prefer the SEC to stay as is.. if they had to add later down the road.. FSU and UNC are probably the best of the bunch for me personally. I'm thinking Clemson and UVA/VaTech would be the next two

Virginia Tech is interesting to me. I think they would make a natural rivalry for Tennessee. Clemson and FSU just seem like SEC schools stuck in the ACC. UNC is another great add because we need Basketball and North Carolina-Tennessee seems to be an interesting matchup for both teams in both Football and Basketball.

I kind of wish these teams would stay in the ACC and we would just get better scheduling arrangements with them from an OOC perspective.

Funny thing is that after the dust settles, we will be back in the Southern Conference that existed back prior to 1930 when you basically had the Southwest, ACC, SEC, and some other lower-tier schools in a single league of over 40-50 schools. SEC broke away from it because it was too bulky.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I would be surprised if there is any team announced this year going to B1G and SEC.

I see it eventually coming but it will slow down for a while. The rest of 2022 will be spent discussing the collapse of Pac12 and the fallout from that. Notre Dame is the prize that is on deck and I don't think Notre Dame is going to do anything this year.

I think the next announcement will be Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah moving to Big12.

I haven't had time to wrap my brain around it, but I am not convinced that the SEC and B1G have to grow more. Getting more teams may mean you get more money overall, but it doesn't mean you get more money per team, and that's the goal.

Adding teams, especially with crazy geographic issues, doesn't necessarily mean you get more money. OU, TX, and USC? Sure. UCLA got lucky that USC needed a buddy. If they add any more PAC teams it will have more to do with scheduling or facilitating the west coast problems as it does profitability.

We all agree that Notre Dame is the one school left to get. The ACC should consider going to 16 by adding WVU and ND (not likely in my opinion), and then hanging on for life. The PAC and B12 should merge creating a 16, 18, or 20 team league, getting rid of the dead weight (WSU, OSU). There are some serious problems with Stanford and Cal not likely agreeing to join. That will leave us with a top 2 P5, and a lower 2 P5. All at about 16 teams.