What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

[Volbound1700]

Who would we be defending against? The B1G? They don't want FSU, and probably not Miami. Let them take them and watch their culture fall apart. Do they really want their conference to be from Maimi to LA to NY? I can't imagine that.

Florida is a valuable market and recruiting field.

Still, I don't think there is enough votes/ACC programs to dissolve the league or break that iron tight GOR. ACC isn't going anywhere at the moment.

 

[Volbound1700]

lol.. it's the reason why you have so many people talking about soccer style relegation for schools like Vandy.. Schools that don't put much in their programs but continue to get the same amount as schools who really try.

I shit on Baylor but even they put everything into football.. you know who doesn't? Kansas..

This is why no one is getting Kansas. If Kansas could merge Kansas State football into their Basketball brand and form one team, than perhaps they might get some view from the B1G or SEC. Then again, why grab anyone from Big12 now as opposed to later? None of them are going anywhere and they will jump when they get a call from either league if it happens.

 

[Thiefery]

What TV network is going to waste time making up numbers when half the teams in the "conference" are currently reaching out to other conferences? Just like they told the B12 no to renegotiations, they will do the same for the PAC. The TV networks' time is valuable ... they won't waste it on this until the conferences solidify.

lol.. you are projecting now.. lol. you aren't some executive

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

lol.. it's the reason why you have so many people talking about soccer style relegation for schools like Vandy.. Schools that don't put much in their programs but continue to get the same amount as schools who really try.

I shit on Baylor but even they put everything into football.. you know who doesn't? Kansas..

No one is seriously talking about any of that. "So many people."

I guess that's the mentality when you come from dysfunctional conferences. We aren't that. You aren't that anymore.

None of that is to say the SEC won't tell its schools that they have to spend $X of the money they get. That I get. But, to use your Vandy example, we are in the middle of a $300 million athletic expansion. We'll never win the conference, but we aren't getting "relegated" out of the SEC.

 

[Thiefery]

This is why no one is getting Kansas. If Kansas could merge Kansas State football into their Basketball brand and form one team, than perhaps they might get some view from the B1G or SEC. Then again, why grab anyone from Big12 now as opposed to later? None of them are going anywhere and they will jump when they get a call from either league if it happens.

on the field wise I'd bet the SEC could place Baylors program into nashville

 

[Thiefery]

No one is seriously talking about any of that. "So many people."

I guess that's the mentality when you come from dysfunctional conferences. We aren't that. You aren't that anymore.

None of that is to say the SEC won't tell its schools that they have to spend $X of the money they get. That I get. But, to use your Vandy example, we are in the middle of a $300 million athletic expansion. We'll never win the conference, but we aren't getting "relegated" out of the SEC.

oh cool, nice facilities.. but still let decent coaches walk because they won't pay them to stay.. SEC SEC SEC

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I am going to repost this as we have started to talk about the value of teams that are left:

The SEC won't be expanding to Oregon, or the left coast. No need and the complexities of it are absurd.

The SEC will choose schools from the following list if it makes financial sense (in sort of an order of best to worst):

Clemson
FSU
UNC
Duke
UVa
Miami
OkSU
WV
NCState
VaTech
Louisville
Kansas

Truthfully, not many of these deliver that many eyeballs:

19. Clemson — 1.74M
22. Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25. Florida State — 1.27M
35. Miami — 1.038M
36. North Carolina — 1.032M
40. West Virginia — 948K
50. Louisville — 616K
51. Virginia — 611K
54. Kansas — 540K
56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K
96. Duke — 64K

They can go to 20 or 22, I can't see 8 teams that are worthy and would bring enough to the table to justify getting a piece of pie.

I'd go to 22 with a 3-6-6-6 schedule, and bring in:

19. Clemson — 1.74M
22. Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25. Florida State — 1.27M
36. North Carolina — 1.032M

Then 2 of these, with the hoops schools being first choice:
96. Duke — 64K
54. Kansas — 540K
50. Louisville — 616K
51. Virginia — 611K
35. Miami — 1.038M
40. West Virginia — 948K

Out:
56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

oh cool, nice facilities.. but still let decent coaches walk because they won't pay them to stay.. SEC SEC SEC

Dude, you are the one that just posted that lots of people are talking relegation of the Vandys of the world when no one is seriously talking relegation of the Vandys of the world. Not sure who you are talking about with the coaching ... the only decent coach we have had was Franklin and he wasn't staying at Vandy instead of going to PSU no matter how much we offered.

 

[OlyDuck]

How absurd. Start negotiations after you just lost your best 2 draws, and the best TV market. And many of your teams are looking around? The TV people are going to say, nah, let's see how things shake out.

how is UCLA one of the best 2 draws?
Oregon Arizona got 1.6 M, UCLA Arizona got 799k
Oregon Cal got 1.4 M UCLA Cal 386k

even USC isnt the same draw it used to be.
USC and Cal only got 390k

 

[Thiefery]

I am going to repost this as we have started to talk about the value of teams that are left:

The SEC won't be expanding to Oregon, or the left coast. No need and the complexities of it are absurd.

The SEC will choose schools from the following list if it makes financial sense (in sort of an order of best to worst):

Clemson
FSU
UNC
Duke
UVa
Miami
OkSU
WV
NCState
VaTech
Louisville
Kansas

Truthfully, not many of these deliver that many eyeballs:

19. Clemson — 1.74M
22. Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25. Florida State — 1.27M
35. Miami — 1.038M
36. North Carolina — 1.032M
40. West Virginia — 948K
50. Louisville — 616K
51. Virginia — 611K
54. Kansas — 540K
56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K
96. Duke — 64K

They can go to 20 or 22, I can't see 8 teams that are worthy and would bring enough to the table to justify getting a piece of pie.

I'd go to 22 with a 3-6-6-6 schedule, and bring in:

19. Clemson — 1.74M
22. Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25. Florida State — 1.27M
36. North Carolina — 1.032M

Then 2 of these, with the hoops schools being first choice:
96. Duke — 64K
54. Kansas — 540K
50. Louisville — 616K
51. Virginia — 611K
35. Miami — 1.038M
40. West Virginia — 948K

Out:
56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K

they are all similar at this point.. add UNC.. get basketball.. the football will die once Mack leaves, again. Clemson, you get football.. but will it stay as it is now or take a hit similar to UNC when Mack left? (Dabo coming home to Bama, eventually imo)

I think FSU is still the safest bet.. they are still a huge football brand.. eventually they will get back

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

lol.. you are projecting now.. lol. you aren't some executive

Stop and think through what I was responding to. You are a network exec and the conference comes to you and says, hey, get your expensive numbers guys and even more expensive lawyers together so we can get together and renegotiate our contract. You really think they are going to do that? They are going to make one call and say look, when the time is right we are ready. But right now you don't even know who is going to be in your conference in 2024. How can we renegotiate a contract in that environment.

 

[Thiefery]

Dude, you are the one that just posted that lots of people are talking relegation of the Vandys of the world when no one is seriously talking relegation of the Vandys of the world. Not sure who you are talking about with the coaching ... the only decent coach we have had was Franklin and he wasn't staying at Vandy instead of going to PSU no matter how much we offered.

because you didn't offer as much as psu lol.. baylor would have paid double.. again another reason why vandy is a barnacle.. But again I know it's not going back to that.. why would a team in LA, a blueblood not want to share the same amount of money with a school in MN?

Boosters is what sets these teams apart in earnings now..

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

how is UCLA one of the best 2 draws?
Oregon Arizona got 1.6 M, UCLA Arizona got 799k
Oregon Cal got 1.4 M UCLA Cal 386k

even USC isnt the same draw it used to be.
USC and Cal only got 390k

They aren't ... USC and the B1G need an LA buddy team, plus UCLA does have a decent football history. And I agree on USC, too. It's the premiere nature of games like USC/UCLA v. tOSU, PSU, UM.

 

[OlyDuck]

yeah cause nothing has changed since this past season :/

everyone said G5 would never get in. then it did. why should we expect the Pac if it stays, BigXII or ACC will suddenly never have a chance?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

because you didn't offer as much as psu lol.. baylor would have paid double.. again another reason why vandy is a barnacle.. But again I know it's not going back to that.. why would a team in LA, a blueblood not want to share the same amount of money with a school in MN?

Boosters is what sets these teams apart in earnings now..

Baylor would not have paid double ... that would have been like $14 million. No one pays that today to Saban. Franklin would have taken less money to go to PSU.

 

[Tharvot]

Let’s assume the B1G is done and future expansion is going to come out of the ACC.

They have to fight for expansion:

I think the Big 12 holds the cards on this one and they go after:

Oregon
Washington
Colorado
Utah
Arizona State
Arizona

It makes for an 18 team conference which is not a great number but should get them a seat at the table. The B1G and SEC need OOC schools to play so keeping this group viable will be important.

Why assume that? If anything, I'd assume the B1G is just getting started and there's likely to be 4 more members on the way. The B1G wants ND to join, and if they can convince the Irish, then expect 3 more from somewhere to join up as well. I've always looked east towards Virginia and UNC, but with the LA additions, maybe they look west towards Stanford, Washington, and Oregon instead.

The remnants of the PAC and B12 will probably align to form some new conference which will become the new standard for "non-BCS" or "midmajor" for football. It'll be highly competitive in hoops and baseball tho.

 

[Volbound1700]

They aren't ... USC and the B1G need an LA buddy team, plus UCLA does have a decent football history. And I agree on USC, too. It's the premiere nature of games like USC/UCLA v. tOSU, PSU, UM.

That and the only reason UCLA hasn't been a great draw lately is that they haven't been good. Teams get a better draw when they are good (kind of a no brainer). UCLA hasn't really been a title contender in Football since the 1990s.

 

[Thiefery]

Stop and think through what I was responding to. You are a network exec and the conference comes to you and says, hey, get your expensive numbers guys and even more expensive lawyers together so we can get together and renegotiate our contract. You really think they are going to do that? They are going to make one call and say look, when the time is right we are ready. But right now you don't even know who is going to be in your conference in 2024. How can we renegotiate a contract in that environment.

Network(s) will still give them a number in assurance that the remaining 10 plus a combo of other potential add ons stay and sign a GOR.. Sure it can be broken down the line but it gives them a little hope that at least for a few seasons they live up to it.

When they have these type of discussions I think it's similar to having contractors give you quotes. It's not dumb if they are negotiating in good faith

 

[outofyourmind]

how is UCLA one of the best 2 draws?
Oregon Arizona got 1.6 M, UCLA Arizona got 799k
Oregon Cal got 1.4 M UCLA Cal 386k

even USC isnt the same draw it used to be.
USC and Cal only got 390k

I think USC just wanted a 'travel buddy' and Oregon wasn't it.

 

[OlyDuck]

How absurd. Start negotiations after you just lost your best 2 draws, and the best TV market. And many of your teams are looking around? The TV people are going to say, nah, let's see how things shake out.

Some of the talking heads still see Pac 10 if it stays with Oregon Washington Stanford Utah, AZ(basketball) as still more valuable than the new structured Big XII