What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

Truthfully, I think it would be better for the Az schools if they stayed put and tried to add B12 scraps. The problem is the uncommitted loyalty of OU, UW and Stanford. You can’t take that chance of them leaving if you have an out to something that won’t lead to the mountain west.
The problem with that is that B12 seems to be in better shape because they have been working on it for a year. I am not sure what contracts have been signed, if any, but for BYU and others to bail within the first year would be odd. Not putting it past people, but it would be odd.
 
I see Oklahoma State being that team to fill in a spot if we don't have an even number of teams. I think that would help Oklahoma as well with the move because it restores Bedlam.
ou people want nothing to do with okie st for whatever reasons. They always downplay Bedlam
 
I see Oklahoma State being that team to fill in a spot if we don't have an even number of teams. I think that would help Oklahoma as well with the move because it restores Bedlam.
I seem to be in a minority, by OkSU makes a lot of sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone, but if we did, I could see adding them and 3 ACC teams.
 
ou people want nothing to do with okie st for whatever reasons. They always downplay Bedlam
ATM wanted nothing to do with you. UF doesn't want FSU. UK doesn't want Lousiville. USCjr doesn't want Clemson. Doesn't matter if it makes sense for the conference as a whole.
 
I seem to be in a minority, by OkSU makes a lot of sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone, but if we did, I could see adding them and 3 ACC teams.

Oklahoma State is great in all-sports. I can see SEC down the line going after Oklahoma State and/or Kansas just to restore some rivalry games and, frankly, to improve Men's Basketball which is our weakest sport.

Granted, this is mostly about $$$$ so those two teams are probably not high on priority list.
 
Truthfully, I think it would be better for the Az schools if they stayed put and tried to add B12 scraps. The problem is the uncommitted loyalty of OU, UW and Stanford. You can’t take that chance of them leaving if you have an out to something that won’t lead to the mountain west.
When you start getting into tandem schools, this thing becomes an enormous headache, far bigger than it already is.

CAL/Stanford

Oregon/Oregon State

Washington/Wazzu

Arizona/ASU

Utah/Colorado

Those are your basic duo's remaining from the PAC. UW and Oregon would bounce to the B1G or SEC in a second and break their duo without even second guessing.

Otherwise, I dont see those groups splitting up. Unless of course, they think the PAC is doomed and bolt on their own to another accepting conference (Again the Arizona schools are ones to keep an eye on in this scenario) Because I dont see suddenly Oregon/Or State suddenly going to the Big12 if they think the PAC is done for. Because it wouldn't really work. You'd have to likely take the Washington schools with you. And same goes for Washington school's, doesnt make sense for them to just up and leave for the Big12 without the Oregon schools.


CAL is likely in the absolute worse situation here. No fanbase, no internal athletic support, sure they could hitch their wagon to Stanford, but how stable is that wagon?
 
I seem to be in a minority, by OkSU makes a lot of sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone, but if we did, I could see adding them and 3 ACC teams.
if that was the case.. get ready for all the backroom wheeling and dealing from schools like TXtech and baylor
 
Oklahoma State is great in all-sports. I can see SEC down the line going after Oklahoma State and/or Kansas just to restore some rivalry games and, frankly, to improve Men's Basketball which is our weakest sport.

Granted, this is mostly about $$$$ so those two teams are probably not high on priority list.
who does okie st have rivalries with? ou.. and ?? Do they have a rivalry with Arkansas? Mizzu?
 
I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, so here's my final on this:

- I am sure the PAC wants to start negotiations with Fox and ESPN. As the articles below show this is to puff up against the B12, and be able to tell the remaining teams what the number is. I am sure that is what the PAC wants.

- I am also sure the best they are going to get from Fox and ESPN are some spitball numbers, as they aren't going to waste resources negotiating about a conference that likely won't exist. These are not serious negotiations ... just getting spitball numbers in case they survive or can thrive.

- On further thought, and this could be ethically tricky, Fox and ESPN probably are open to discussions with both conferences about what the value would be of either the B12 or the PAC if they plunder the other. In other words, I can hear them say, "You want to know what the 10 team PAC is worth, even though there is no chance you will have a 10 team PAC?" Hands them a napkin with a ballpark number on it. Versus, if you want to sit down and have a conversation about what the PAC would be worth if you grab BYU, and the 3 Texas schools, we'll send our numbers guys.

- So there will be discussions on what might be with all sorts of configurations, but no serious negotiations with the PAC as it stands now.

The Pac-12's current TV deals with Fox and ESPN end in the summer of 2024, which is also when USC and UCLA are scheduled to join the Big Ten. In terms of TV negotiations, that is not much time.

As the current agreement holders, ESPN and Fox have a window of exclusive negotiating rights with the Pac-12 for a period of time. Presumably, conference commissioner George Kliavkoff has spoken to Fox and ESPN officials informally to gauge what they are looking for and where the Pac-12 stands. This announcement suggests a more formal negotiation will begin.

However, it's difficult to believe any substantive talks can be held until the dust settles and it becomes clear which schools are staying in the Pac-12, which will be leaving by 2024 and which will be added.


That was a face saving attempt by the conference.


The conference’s current deals with FOX and ESPN expire in 2024. With so much uncertainty, there are some interesting possibilities at play here.

One may be to see how the market values the Pac-12 as it stands right now. Another could be to see if there is a network or streamer that misses out on the Big Ten and responds by overpaying for another power conference. The final, and
most likely, explainer is that the conference wants to be able to show it is in a better position than the Big 12 as the two conferences try to attract each other’s remaining schools.


Per The Athletic:

It makes sense the Pac-12 wants to find out its value without USC and UCLA and present something solid to its membership to try to keep it intact. The Pac-12 needs to try and do whatever possible to keep its current schools from bouncing.


At the end of the day, it does seem likely there will be some form of B12-PAC merger.

Which conference ends up being the host and which becomes shattered is anyone's guess at this point. IMO, there are more beggar schools in the B12 as it currently stands than the PAC, especially if you factor in the 4 new soon-to-be members. No way in hell Stanford or Cal will stand to be affiliated with BYU...unlikely they want much to do with TCU or Baylor either for that matter.

The PAC can pop back out to 12 schools by adding Texas Tech and Okie St. Can pop out to 14 by adding Kansas and some other school, though the pickings become pretty slim then.
 
When you start getting into tandem schools, this thing becomes an enormous headache, far bigger than it already is.

CAL/Stanford

Oregon/Oregon State

Washington/Wazzu

Arizona/ASU

Utah/Colorado

Those are your basic duo's remaining from the PAC. UW and Oregon would bounce to the B1G or SEC in a second and break their duo without even second guessing.

Otherwise, I dont see those groups splitting up. Unless of course, they think the PAC is doomed and bolt on their own to another accepting conference (Again the Arizona schools are ones to keep an eye on in this scenario) Because I dont see suddenly Oregon/Or State suddenly going to the Big12 if they think the PAC is done for. Because it wouldn't really work. You'd have to likely take the Washington schools with you. And same goes for Washington school's, doesnt make sense for them to just up and leave for the Big12 without the Oregon schools.


CAL is likely in the absolute worse situation here. No fanbase, no internal athletic support, sure they could hitch their wagon to Stanford, but how stable is that wagon?

I think Cal is going to call it quits on major college sports and go the route of Ivy League and become Academic focus. Stanford may do the same if they don't get picked up.

Pac12 is in trouble because they won't get a great TV deal without UCLA/USC.
 
I think Cal is going to call it quits on major college sports and go the route of Ivy League and become Academic focus. Stanford may do the same if they don't get picked up.

Pac12 is in trouble because they won't get a great TV deal without UCLA/USC.
well they are still on the hook for 200 mil for their stadium renovation

i wouldn't bank on them giving up football quite yet
 
well they are still on the hook for 200 mil for their stadium renovation

i wouldn't bank on them giving up football quite yet

I mean Ivy League plays football but Cal will have to go down a division or do something drastic to keep it a float. Not a good spot for them. Someone posted a message from a Cal fan on Tennessee message board. It was very sad...
 
well they are still on the hook for 200 mil for their stadium renovation

i wouldn't bank on them giving up football quite yet
It's hard to imagine Cal not getting picked up SOMEwhere in all this.
 
The problem with that is that B12 seems to be in better shape because they have been working on it for a year. I am not sure what contracts have been signed, if any, but for BYU and others to bail within the first year would be odd. Not putting it past people, but it would be odd.
I don’t think they will but in terms of prestige and teams that have recent success and a good history I think the PAC wins that over the B12 after this latest round of realignment. If there was an agreement and contract in place by all the PAC schools after USC/UCLA that no one would leave, I doubt the Az schools and Utah/Colorado would come to the B12.
 
PAC schools have to give 2 years notice of leaving. Anyone not named USC/UCLA already missed the June 30th deadline for the 2024 season. Therefore if PAC teams go to Big 12 it won't be until 2025.

Big 12 teams can't leave until 2025 already.

To negate the PAC GOR, the Big 12 would have to take 7 PAC teams.
To negate the Big 12 GOR, the PAC would have to take 8 Big 12 teams.

TX/OU and USC/UCLA are still Big 12 and PAC 12 members and therefore will continue to count in a majority team formula to dissolve the GOR's.
I think everyone is thinking 2025 anyway. If not it wouldn’t be hard to get 7 votes to kill the PAC because there are 2 in the bed and 4 talking with the Big 12 this week. Those 4 announce and getting that one extra vote will be very easy.
 
I seem to be in a minority, by OkSU makes a lot of sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone, but if we did, I could see adding them and 3 ACC teams.
I can’t see us adding OSU over FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, NC State.

No way any of those ACC programs don’t beg to be in the SEC and two have already made inquiries that we know of and wouldn’t be shocked if all had.
 
I think everyone is thinking 2025 anyway. If not it wouldn’t be hard to get 7 votes to kill the PAC because there are 2 in the bed and 4 talking with the Big 12 this week. Those 4 announce and getting that one extra vote will be very easy.

Yup

Things are gonna happen PAC 12/Big 12 long before they do in the ACC.
 
well they are still on the hook for 200 mil for their stadium renovation

i wouldn't bank on them giving up football quite yet
But where do they go? If the B1G doesn't rescue them, they don't fit in the B12 - academics, Olympic sports, liberals, woke, etc. I can really see those two being left out to dry. Ore and Wash have some value, and they fit better into the B12.
 
Back
Top