ACC expansion ...

Yeah but if it puts you in position to kill the NCAA and capture the basketball post season that is worth at least a billion in todays dollars.

Don’t be so sure the SEC and B1G don’t have their sights on that down the road. They could eventually literally own post season play and the money it generates in all sports.
Please read up on where that billion goes before saying that. You would literally kill college sports if you did that. All sports other than D1 are funded by that money.
 
Please read up on where that billion goes before saying that. You would literally kill college sports if you did that. All sports other than D1 are funded by that money.
If we are in the age of 'Money is King', then maybe let all those sports 'sink or swim'

The 'well rounded amateur college experience' seems to have been thrown out the window.
 
Depends on the conference. Not a snowball chance in hell for GT to get into SEC, but there is still a chance to make it into B1G, but not for the normal reasons- maybe #3 on the ACC list.

Does FSU, Miami, or Clemson actually make it into SEC? Or the better question is if they will in 10 years? I don't see it. If they bring enough value to pull their own weight, OK but that's another 10 years not making half what SCAR and UF are raking in, the gap will just widen. It isn't about wins for SEC, it's about $$$, so in 10 years will these brands in small markets bring in enough to not dilute the payouts in the conference? Miami is a good market, but the others aren't. What's their attraction? Good teams? That will always wax and wan, not a good reason to add, IMO.

Besides, looking at the SEC now, I can see absolutely no incentive to expand anywhere/anymore. They are set. If the want more teams, maybe grabbing UNC and UVA. New markets in new areas and UNC is a good acquisition. I throw in a team from Virginia to make it an even number and UVA isn't a bad get either.
I think I agree. Not sure if there is a ton of motivation for the SEC to add FSU, Clem, Miami today even without the GOR. To me it's 50/50 and after 10+ years lol who knows by then. In a weird way I can see FSU, Clem, and/or Miami head to the BIG and FOX as they can add a footprint in the southeast
 
Please read up on where that billion goes before saying that. You would literally kill college sports if you did that. All sports other than D1 are funded by that money.
I know where it goes.

In the future, we are about to have two super conferences that are going to be 20 to 24 teams each and it's only a matter of time before they form their own football playoff between each other and after a few years of that, they are going to start looking at the other sports.

DZero - Is going to be the B1G and SEC which will hold their own championships between each other (excluding everyone else) and capture all the revenue associated with it.

D1 - Will be all the current D1 schools that do not get into the new superconferences plus a few that will probably move up and they will form their own championship system with their own revenue streams.

D2 & D3 - Are probably headed for some big cuts and will have to figure out how to survive.

The NCAA is on the clock as far as their demise is concerned and college sports will survive but it will look very much different. It will be business as usual until the GOR runs out (or someone figures out how to defeat it) on the ACC then things will start moving as I outlined above. If you think once the B1G and SEC expand again and become officially the P2 (DZero) that they are going to care about subsidizing the rest of the country then you are a bigger optimist than I am.

Pandora's box is open and we are headed down a path that is going to create what will more than likely be a collegiate professional league of 40 to 48 teams that pay salaries, have contracts, and a shared operating agreement between the two of them that will dictate the rules. I don't want this to happen and it might take 10 to 20 years for it to come to fruition but I don't see anything stopping it except for maybe college presidents stepping in or some type of lawsuits.

We are witnessing the beginning of the end of the collegiate sports system as we know it.
 
If we are in the age of 'Money is King', then maybe let all those sports 'sink or swim'

The 'well rounded amateur college experience' seems to have been thrown out the window.
I haven't put a lot of thought into it, but

(1) part of the problem is that March Madness involves about 365 schools, not just the big conferences. And while the tournament is a huge success, it is so because of the smaller schools and because there are a lot of schools. Hell, some of the better teams are in the B12, ACC, and PAC, the conferences getting their lunch money stolen every day. It's not like the B1G and the SEC could take over March Madness and make something of it that people would want to watch, and

(2) believe it or not, there isn't as much money in it as football. Not even close. The B1G and the SEC combined are about to be at $3 billion every year. March Madness is about $1 billion. I think they are fine concentrating on football and letting the NCAA handle hoops.

(3) because hoops only requires 15 schollies the big schools can't dominate by just throwing money at it. The advantages they have in CFB don't necessarily translate to basketball.
 
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Depends on the conference. Not a snowball chance in hell for GT to get into SEC, but there is still a chance to make it into B1G, but not for the normal reasons- maybe #3 on the ACC list.

Does FSU, Miami, or Clemson actually make it into SEC? Or the better question is if they will in 10 years? I don't see it. If they bring enough value to pull their own weight, OK but that's another 10 years not making half what SCAR and UF are raking in, the gap will just widen. It isn't about wins for SEC, it's about $$$, so in 10 years will these brands in small markets bring in enough to not dilute the payouts in the conference? Miami is a good market, but the others aren't. What's their attraction? Good teams? That will always wax and wan, not a good reason to add, IMO.

Besides, looking at the SEC now, I can see absolutely no incentive to expand anywhere/anymore. They are set. If the want more teams, maybe grabbing UNC and UVA. New markets in new areas and UNC is a good acquisition. I throw in a team from Virginia to make it an even number and UVA isn't a bad get either.
I agree with almost all of your post. You are spot on with the $$$ analysis, IMO. The only disagreement is that GaTech has a shot at the B1G. You simply do not move the needle. If USC and UCLA only bring $17.5 million per year to the B1G because of the LA TV market, you bring far less due to the Atlanta market. Your viewership numbers and CFP potential are negligible. They would be taking a huge per team hit to go after Tech.
 
do these basketball schools have any real chance factoring in ???
Not really. Kentucky is already in the SEC and outside of the bluest of blue bloods, even the NCAAT getting pulled out from the NCAA doesn't generate the cash to move the needle. Even then, Duke is probably in trouble if they aren't tagged along with UNC.
 
I was thinking the same.
Why in the world do you take UCLA.

As a basketball blueblood they'll play anywhere from 30 - 35 games in the regular season + Big 10 Tournament between December - March.

Many of those games will be broadcast nationally on cable, satellite, or streaming packages.
Also factor in BTN games which are nightly in that Dec - March timeframe.

The Big 10 is as much a basketball conference as they are a football conference.
 
As a basketball blueblood they'll play anywhere from 30 - 35 games in the regular season + Big 10 Tournament between December - March.

Many of those games will be broadcast nationally on cable, satellite, or streaming packages.
Also factor in BTN games which are nightly in that Dec - March timeframe.

The Big 10 is as much a basketball conference as they are a football conference.
So
Some Basketball Schools do hold value in the re-alignment talks.
 
baseball>basketball
 
If we are in the age of 'Money is King', then maybe let all those sports 'sink or swim'

The 'well rounded amateur college experience' seems to have been thrown out the window.
Yeah, I've never understood the whole "but it funds the other sports" reasoning. We have a small junior college here where I live. They have volleyball, men's/women's basketball, men's/women's golf, soccer, softball, baseball, cross country/track/field and rodeo WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF FOOTBALL REVENUE. (Nolan Richardson won a NJCAA natty when he was here before going to Tulsa and then Arkansas.)

I can't imagine Tiger Woods wouldn't fully fund Stanford's golf program if they were in a bind.
 
baseball>basketball

Which chafes my ass in that it's not very available on TV.

The SEC Network is the gold standard for college baseball so seeing TX/OU will be fine.

The Big 10 Network literally don't give a shit about baseball until Big 10 Tourney time in late May.
 
I agree with almost all of your post. You are spot on with the $$$ analysis, IMO. The only disagreement is that GaTech has a shot at the B1G. You simply do not move the needle. If USC and UCLA only bring $17.5 million per year to the B1G because of the LA TV market, you bring far less due to the Atlanta market. Your viewership numbers and CFP potential are negligible. They would be taking a huge per team hit to go after Tech.
I did qualify my statement with the note that the GT attraction was not the typical attraction (meaning it wouldnt bring the money any other team would). The B1G has always and still does desire a southern presence. They wanted GT 10 years ago for the Atlanta exposure. There is a very large B1G team following in Atlanta and it isn't just about GT fanboy headcount, it is TVs. Just because almost all of GA is red doesn't mean there aren't alot of people that still tune in to their games. And the B1G badly wants to have games in Atlanta not only because it is a major market, but also because it is ground zero for the most talent rich state in the country. These teams want to play there in front of the recruits and they'll sell alot of tickets to B1G fans who otherwise never get up north to see their teams play.

GT offers nothing itself per se. It is about TVs, location, and the amount of B1G fans in the area. B1G has already done the study on it and invited once, but like morons our school turned it down. So B1G got Rutgers instead. Those reasons haven't changed.
 
Which chafes my ass in that it's not very available on TV.

The SEC Network is the gold standard for college baseball so seeing TX/OU will be fine.

The Big 10 Network literally don't give a shit about baseball until Big 10 Tourney time in late May.
yeah..LHN bright spot was them covering all their games.. dark spots was them having technical difficulties all the time lol
 
At 30 - 35 games before the Big Dance rolls around, I'd think so.

Particularly if they're P5 football as well.

Someone like Gonzaga, UConn? No
I keep getting told that basketball just doesn't move the needle when it comes to re-alignment
 
yeah..LHN bright spot was them covering all their games.. dark spots was them having technical difficulties all the time lol

The SEC is designating ESPN+ channels for each school (see Oklahoma), so they'll pick up when LHN drops off.
 
I keep getting told that basketball just doesn't move the needle when it comes to re-alignment

Football is certainly the priority, but dismissing basketball eyeballs at 30 - 35 games/season is short sighted.
Hence UCLA.

Although there are some damn good Big East basketball schools, they don't move the needle in re-alignment, no.
 
The SEC is designating ESPN+ channels for each school (see Oklahoma), so they'll pick up when LHN drops off.
there's a rumor going around from a tweet last night that ESPN/Big12 could convert the LHN channel into the Big12 conference channel. They then sign an agreement that ESPN has their 3rd tier rights that will pay each school $8 mil a year.. but the guy tweeting said the catch would be letting UT/ou walk after they pay their exit fees
 
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