USC and UCLA planning to leave for B10 by 2024!

michaeljordan_fan said:
It was pretty clear you hadn't. Wanted to make sure everyone else knew you were running your mouth on something you had no knowledge of.
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I know a lot of people that have and some that have lived there.

You do know the entire thread was a joke making fun of Oregon/Portland for the Summer of Love crap. However, that went over your head.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I get your argument and maybe I am wrong. UGA's plan for aggressive scheduling was before we brought in OU and TX, and before we are going to a 9 game IC schedule. I just know that fans love the OOC games. They draw big numbers. With 12 teams, a team like UGA could lose a game in the SEC and one OOC and still get into the CFP. Especially if there are no AQs. We'll see ... you could be 100% right.
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I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.

Those elite matchups are usually hard hitting matchups, there is no resting starters, the risk of injuy is higher and teams already struggle with depth because of the portal and all the transfers, as it is.

That is just my thought pattern and also why I think ND will have no choice but to join a conference, because the type of games they'd need to keep their SOS up won't be readily available. I'm a UM fan -- if UM is facing OSU, PSU, MSU and then USC, to go along with whoever else they face in the B1G, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. -- I can't see anyway possible they'd want to schedule ND too in the future? I'd think they would like to use the OOC to get the team in some type of rhythm in the 1st 3 games.

I could be way off base and schools continue to schedule those type of games. Hell -- maybe it is in the agreement with the TV contracts they sign? Who knows? Seemed like it'd be an interesting topic to talk about.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.

Those elite matchups are usually hard hitting matchups, there is no resting starters, the risk of injuy is higher and teams already struggle with depth because of the portal and all the transfers, as it is.

That is just my thought pattern and also why I think ND will have no choice but to join a conference, because the type of games they'd need to keep their SOS up won't be readily available. I'm a UM fan -- if UM is facing OSU, PSU, MSU and then USC, to go along with whoever else they face in the B1G, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. -- I can't see anyway possible they'd want to schedule ND too in the future? I'd think they would like to use the OOC to get the team in some type of rhythm in the 1st 3 games.

I could be way off base and schools continue to schedule those type of games. Hell -- maybe it is in the agreement with the TV contracts they sign? Who knows? Seemed like it'd be an interesting topic to talk about.
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You read my mind
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.

Those elite matchups are usually hard hitting matchups, there is no resting starters, the risk of injuy is higher and teams already struggle with depth because of the portal and all the transfers, as it is.

That is just my thought pattern and also why I think ND will have no choice but to join a conference, because the type of games they'd need to keep their SOS up won't be readily available. I'm a UM fan -- if UM is facing OSU, PSU, MSU and then USC, to go along with whoever else they face in the B1G, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. -- I can't see anyway possible they'd want to schedule ND too in the future? I'd think they would like to use the OOC to get the team in some type of rhythm in the 1st 3 games.

I could be way off base and schools continue to schedule those type of games. Hell -- maybe it is in the agreement with the TV contracts they sign? Who knows? Seemed like it'd be an interesting topic to talk about.
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they should still schedule marquee OOC games.. Elite teams will figure it out regardless
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.

Those elite matchups are usually hard hitting matchups, there is no resting starters, the risk of injuy is higher and teams already struggle with depth because of the portal and all the transfers, as it is.

That is just my thought pattern and also why I think ND will have no choice but to join a conference, because the type of games they'd need to keep their SOS up won't be readily available. I'm a UM fan -- if UM is facing OSU, PSU, MSU and then USC, to go along with whoever else they face in the B1G, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. -- I can't see anyway possible they'd want to schedule ND too in the future? I'd think they would like to use the OOC to get the team in some type of rhythm in the 1st 3 games.

I could be way off base and schools continue to schedule those type of games. Hell -- maybe it is in the agreement with the TV contracts they sign? Who knows? Seemed like it'd be an interesting topic to talk about.
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one of the arguments that always bugged me was that of having to play soooo many good teams and then listing all the good teams in a conference. but when you look at schedules it ends up being a middle or bottom team that plays the most good teams.
like saying in the SEC you gotta go through Alabama, Georgia, Florida, texas A&M, Aub, and LSU and now Oklahoma and Texas. like who? who is gonna play that schedule? miss St maybe?
 
OlyDuck said:
one of the arguments that always bugged me was that of having to play soooo many good teams and then listing all the good teams in a conference. but when you look at schedules it ends up being a middle or bottom team that plays the most good teams.
like saying in the SEC you gotta go through Alabama, Georgia, Florida, texas A&M, Aub, and LSU and now Oklahoma and Texas. like who? who is gonna play that schedule? miss St maybe?
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I always thought that Kansas has the hardest schedule in the nations.
 
OlyDuck said:
one of the arguments that always bugged me was that of having to play soooo many good teams and then listing all the good teams in a conference. but when you look at schedules it ends up being a middle or bottom team that plays the most good teams.
like saying in the SEC you gotta go through Alabama, Georgia, Florida, texas A&M, Aub, and LSU and now Oklahoma and Texas. like who? who is gonna play that schedule? miss St maybe?
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Tennessee plays 3 of those every year and often another one. For example this year, Tennessee has Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU.

We generally get them all in a row as well starting with Florida the last week in September. Lately, the SEC has been giving us a break by moving Georgia back to November or giving us a game between Florida and Georgia.

Auburn is another one that traditionally has a brutal schedule.

They have annually games against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Texas A&M.

Edit: Actually the easier SEC schools have easier cross-division opponents. You bring up Miss State, their cross division opponent is Miss State.

LSU has Florida
Tennessee has Alabama
Auburn has Georgia

Alabama's schedules have been easier, IMO, because they spread out the tougher teams and they got Tennessee who has sucked.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Edit: Actually the easier SEC schools have easier cross-division opponents. You bring up Miss State, their cross division opponent is Miss State.

LSU has Florida
Tennessee has Alabama
Auburn has Georgia

Alabama's schedules have been easier, IMO, because they spread out the tougher teams and they got Tennessee who has sucked.
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Is it tough playing themselves ?
 
Volbound1700 said:
Tennessee plays 3 of those every year and often another one. For example this year, Tennessee has Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU.

We generally get them all in a row as well starting with Florida the last week in September. Lately, the SEC has been giving us a break by moving Georgia back to November or giving us a game between Florida and Georgia.

Auburn is another one that traditionally has a brutal schedule.

They have annually games against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Texas A&M.
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sure but just because those schools have names we also have to remember that LSU, Auburn and Florida were 6-7 last year. 3-5 and 2-6 in conference. im not saying they arent still something to have caution about but im not thinking about them the same as UGA and Alabama.
 
OlyDuck said:
one of the arguments that always bugged me was that of having to play soooo many good teams and then listing all the good teams in a conference. but when you look at schedules it ends up being a middle or bottom team that plays the most good teams.
like saying in the SEC you gotta go through Alabama, Georgia, Florida, texas A&M, Aub, and LSU and now Oklahoma and Texas. like who? who is gonna play that schedule? miss St maybe?
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They still have as many weak teams in the league.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Tennessee plays 3 of those every year and often another one. For example this year, Tennessee has Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU.

We generally get them all in a row as well starting with Florida the last week in September. Lately, the SEC has been giving us a break by moving Georgia back to November or giving us a game between Florida and Georgia.

Auburn is another one that traditionally has a brutal schedule.

They have annually games against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Texas A&M.

Edit: Actually the easier SEC schools have easier cross-division opponents. You bring up Miss State, their cross division opponent is Miss State.

LSU has Florida
Tennessee has Alabama
Auburn has Georgia

Alabama's schedules have been easier, IMO, because they spread out the tougher teams and they got Tennessee who has sucked.
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so what you are saying is no one has to play ALL those good SEC teams in the same year?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.
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TheReal_NU said:
I thought they got Oklahoma and Texas?
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if you add those teams to the pool it means someone else falls out. its different when they come from another conference vs when they are all in the same.
 
TheReal_NU said:
I thought they got Oklahoma and Texas?
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Jake Gyllenhaal Reaction GIF
 
TheReal_NU said:
I thought they got Oklahoma and Texas?
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Yeah -- very true. Texas hasn't been very good lately, but they can recruit like the top schools, even with a bad record. So it is simply them finding the right coach to put it together.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just feel, and obviously, this only my opinion -- the days of elite OOC matchups are numbered because of the sheer number of elite matchup these teams will face in conference play (especially in the SEC, with the addition of not one, but two teams who could be top 10 type teams). I understand what you are saying regarding fans loving to watch those games, but the teams definitely don't enjoy playing them.
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Totally disagree with that. The players love the big games. If they don't they aren't on the really good teams. You don't think that the UGFA and Clemson players didn't want that game last year? You don't think that the UGA players didn't love going to ND, or ND getting to play in Stanford?
 
OlyDuck said:
one of the arguments that always bugged me was that of having to play soooo many good teams and then listing all the good teams in a conference. but when you look at schedules it ends up being a middle or bottom team that plays the most good teams.
like saying in the SEC you gotta go through Alabama, Georgia, Florida, texas A&M, Aub, and LSU and now Oklahoma and Texas. like who? who is gonna play that schedule? miss St maybe?
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You don't have to go thru ALL of them. But if you have to play 4, 5 or 6 out of the 8 -- that is a brutal schedule. Scheduling another extremely tough matchup in OOC play makes no sense at all.

Not to knock the Pac 12, but many of the quality programs they have had in the past have struggled tremendously for quite some time now. So there is no such thing as a brutal conference schedule in the PAC. With USC and UCLA leaving -- there will never be a schedule considered brutal in the PAC. Same goes with the Pac 12 once Texas and Oklahoma leave.

The two conferences with the most top tier talent top to bottom were the SEC and B1G. Now the SEC added OU and Texas. The B1G has added USC and UCLA. Those two conference have no use for big time OOC games anymore. Their SOS is going to be higher than every team outside their two conferences. And if those two conferences close the door to OOC games with the outside conferences -- I could see them completely splitting and simply holding their own CFP.
 
OlyDuck said:
sure but just because those schools have names we also have to remember that LSU, Auburn and Florida were 6-7 last year. 3-5 and 2-6 in conference. im not saying they arent still something to have caution about but im not thinking about them the same as UGA and Alabama.
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I get what you are saying, but that is with Divisions. Here is a likely schedule for UGA under the favored 3-6 format:

Even years: UF, Auburn, USCjr, LSU, TX, ATM, Ky, MissSU, Mizzou
Odd years: UF, Auburn, USCjr, Bama, OU, Arky, UTjr, Ole Miss, Vandy

Does that change your perspective? Would you like to play UF, Auburn, LSU, Texas, and ATM in one year. Then the next year play UF, Auburn, Bama, and Oklahoma? That doesn't even include the middling teams like Ky, Ole Miss, Arky, UTjr who have plenty of success against most other teams.

The addition of TX and OU, plus going to the 9 IC game 3-6 format is going to be a real difference.
 
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