Electric Cars

ill said:
oh I am well aware...

but SMRs are being pushed a little harder these days.

and the new Vogtle plant will hopefully get licensed in the next 5 yrs.
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Let's continue to argue it on SH. Whoever posts lasts about it before the mods shut it down, wins.
ill said:
but really, you don't need to attempt to explain anything to me. I know my industry better than you.
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Apparently not.
 
ill said:
what data do you want exactly?

maybe you should google it yourself if we aren't able to help you in the way you want
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Oh I'll bet it doesn't exist, I'm more amusing myself at this point with MnB trying to be an authority.
 
NU_FTW said:
Oh I'll bet it doesn't exist, I'm more amusing myself at this point with MnB trying to be an authority.
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cool

have fun being you
 
NU_FTW said:
Oh I'll bet it doesn't exist, I'm more amusing myself at this point with MnB trying to be an authority.
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I am not. I said a thing based on this study, you asked for the study, I provided it and now you're providing weird ass replies like this, "Ahh so that only encompasses that single study"
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I am not. I said a thing based on this study, you asked for the study, I provided it and now you're providing weird ass replies like this, "Ahh so that only encompasses that single study"
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You made assumptions about combustion engine vehicles and then kept trying to play that angle while never being in the same conversation
 
NU_FTW said:
You made assumptions about combustion engine vehicles and then kept trying to play that angle while never being in the same conversation
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I didn't make any assumptions. I made a statement based on data I had already seen that supports my statement. That's how supported statements work.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I didn't make any assumptions. I made a statement based on data I had already seen that supports my statement. That's how supported statements work.
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No you assumed 10% of combustion engine fires were in garages parked over night.....and then you keep using one study as concrete numbers for the world without acknowledging it only pertains to one specific study. It's okay you are wrong, I'm used to you being wrong
 
NU_FTW said:
No you assumed 10% of combustion engine fires were in garages parked over night.....and then you keep using one study as concrete numbers for the world without acknowledging it only pertains to one specific study. It's okay you are wrong, I'm used to you being wrong
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This isn't as hard as you're making it. Yes, the 10% number was made up -- and done so on purpose to illustrate that even assuming a fairly low amount of the data we have was spontaneous combustion, it would still be dramatically more likely in a gas vehicle. Even if just 1% of the data met your criteria, it would still be in the ballpark of ALL EV fire data. The point was to illustrate just truly how far apart the data really is. And yes, I was using made up numbers purposefully at one extreme or another to show how far apart the data is.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
This isn't as hard as you're making it. Yes, the 10% number was made up -- and done so on purpose to illustrate that even assuming a fairly low amount of the data we have was spontaneous combustion, it would still be dramatically more likely in a gas vehicle. Even if just 1% of the data met your criteria, it would still be in the ballpark of ALL EV fire data. The point was to illustrate just truly how far apart the data really is. And yes, I was using made up numbers purposefully at one extreme or another to show how far apart the data is.
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I don't want made up statistics from some phone center tech support.


It could be 0.0000000001% of combustion engines that changes the math significantly and still you know neither therefore stfu
 
NU_FTW said:
I don't want made up statistics from some phone center tech support.


It could be 0.0000000001% of combustion engines that changes the math significantly and still you know neither therefore stfu
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But we know it's not that low. Because there have been plenty of recalls on gas vehicles where they were asked not to park their cars in their garages for this exact thing. It's actually quite easy to operate in general ballparks here. We know the answer isn't that 0 gas vehicles met this criteria. Just like it's safe to assume that not all EV fires met that criteria; especially true given what we know about batteries catching fire in crashes.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But we know it's not that low. Because there have been plenty of recalls on gas vehicles where they were asked not to park their cars in their garages for this exact thing. It's actually quite easy to operate in general ballparks here. We know the answer isn't that 0 gas vehicles met this criteria. Just like it's safe to assume that not all EV fires met that criteria; especially true given what we know about batteries catching fire in crashes.
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No you don't know that
 
NU_FTW said:
No you don't know that
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But we do. Here's a more detailed version of the data.

Car-Vehicle-Fires-Chart.jpg

52 total fires compared to 199,533.

But wait, there's more. When you look at recalls related to fire risk, it gets worse for gas vehicles
Vehicle-Fire-Recall-Data.jpg

So again, my assumptions are pretty safe here. But more importantly, I think beyond your stubbornness in this thread, arguing just to argue, people are forgetting that gas vehicles also have batteries, can also experience shorts and have a very combustible liquid just sitting inside.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But we do. Here's a more detailed version of the data.

Car-Vehicle-Fires-Chart.jpg

52 total fires compared to 199,533.

But wait, there's more. When you look at recalls related to fire risk, it gets worse for gas vehicles
Vehicle-Fire-Recall-Data.jpg

So again, my assumptions are pretty safe here. But more importantly, I think beyond your stubbornness in this thread, arguing just to argue, people are forgetting that gas vehicles also have batteries, can also experience shorts and have a very combustible liquid just sitting inside.
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No it's still an assumption. Your use of recalls doesn't tell me how many happened in a garage at night while sleeping
 
NU_FTW said:
No it's still an assumption. Your use of recalls doesn't tell me how many happened in a garage at night while sleeping
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But we do know more than you’re willing to admit. We know that the EV data isn’t 100% from spontaneous combustion. And we know the gas data isn’t 0. The Kia recall alone was from 3 incidents of spontaneous fires relating to the ABS system.

All of that to repeat, the total EV risk is already extremely low and the gas risk isn’t 0.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But we do know more than you’re willing to admit. We know that the EV data isn’t 100% from spontaneous combustion. And we know the gas data isn’t 0. The Kia recall alone was from 3 incidents of spontaneous fires relating to the ABS system.

All of that to repeat, the total EV risk is already extremely low and the gas risk isn’t 0.
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That's not useful data for someone who wants the data. I'm not arguing for or against anything EV.


If it's not the data I want it isn't useful
 
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable having my cloths dryer or oven set at 500 degrees, running every single night in my garage, night after night after night.....while I sleep
 
outofyourmind said:
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable having my cloths dryer or oven set at 500 degrees, running every single night in my garage, night after night after night.....while I sleep
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not at all what it is

it's more like having your phone plugged in while you sleep.
 
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