Kliavkoff (not a ballet dancer but the PAC commissioner) - Takes On the Big 12

[Wild Turkey]

Why do you think that? LSU I get. I listed what you guys have been the last 10 years - what exactly would you guys do? And UF has been through 3 coaches since Meyer. Would the SEC will be really solid? Hell, yes. But looking at today you still have to go through Bama and UGA (and others) in the CFP, if you can get there.

Why do you list UGA in 2017 and 2019 ... your hypothetical is losing Bama and UGA? You would win the SEC in 2017 but have to get past Bama and UGA in the CFP. In 2019 it would have been LSU, but they won it anyway in the SEC with Bama and UGA so nothing changes.

We got through both UGA and Bama in 2017. By the time we got to UGA the second time we were so beat up from those battles we had nothing in the tank.

You replace those three games with just one and we have a great shot.

That’s just the truth.

Florida came pretty damn close with Trask in 2020 to beating Bama and punching their ticket.

The divide isn’t what you think it is.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

In 2017 it easily could have been Auburn and Georgia. We just couldn’t survive UGA, Bama, UGA in practically a row and no one else would have either.

In 2019 it would have been LSU and Georgia.

Zero doubt other teams like LSU, Auburn and Florida step up.

What you don't seem to grasp is -- Just because Alabama and Georgia would no longer be in the SEC -- it isn't as if they will drop from the face of the earth and their rosters will be split up with the remainder of the SEC teams.

Take those two teams and put them in any other conference and that conference becomes the best conference in CFB.

 

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[Deep Creek]

The #1 most watched team is Ohio State. The #2 most watched team is UM. The #4 most watched team is Penn State.

Remember LSU and Florida you were talking about -- they ranked behind Wisconsin and Nebraska for number of viewers per game. Your Auburn team ranks right around where Michigan State does in the number of viewers per game. The Tennessee you bragged about -- they rank behind Purdue and Iowa for number of viewers.

You can continue to think the SEC would be fine without Bama and Georgia, but they CARRY the SEC. The rest of the schools are simply riding the coattails and pounding their chest. They are, by far, the two most watched SEC teams per game, but they'd rank 3rd and 5th for viewers if they were in the B1G.

So make sure to thank Georgia and Bama fans next time you see them on here. Without them -- the SEC would be WAAAAY behind.

As far as "viewers" go, recent data shows B1G is the winner. But if you go by quality of football, (which seems to take a seat behind viewers and money nowadays) data says it is the SEC by a long shot. Look who has the nattys since the CFP began. And it is all about the nattys now. The SEC has five of the eight played with three different teams winning them! B1G has one and the ACC has two by the same team. Big 12 and PAC 12 have zilch, zero, nada. The ACC and the B1G need to have other teams step up. And the Big 12 and PAC 12 need to have "A" team step up....and then others!

2014 - B1G Ohio State
2015 - SEC Alabama
2016 - ACC Clemson
2017 - SEC Alabama
2018 - ACC Clemson
2019 - SEC LSU
2020 - SEC Alabama
2021 - SEC Georgia

I ain't an SEC honk but I have to admit the SEC is by far the best when it comes to performing against other conferences in the playoffs.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We got through both UGA and Bama in 2017. By the time we got to UGA the second time we were so beat up from those battles we had nothing in the tank.

You replace those three games with just one and we have a great shot.

That’s just the truth.

Florida came pretty damn close with Trask in 2020 to beating Bama and punching their ticket.

The divide isn’t what you think it is.

Lol … the divide is exactly what I think it is. One of us is delusional … it’s not me. Just look at your record since your last NC. Sorry but that’s facts.

 

[Wild Turkey]

What you don't seem to grasp is -- Just because Alabama and Georgia would no longer be in the SEC -- it isn't as if they will drop from the face of the earth and their rosters will be split up with the remainder of the SEC teams.

Take those two teams and put them in any other conference and that conference becomes the best conference in CFB.

I'm stating anyone falls from the face of the earth. What I am stating is that if you remove Alabama and Georgia from Auburn's regular schedule they have an infinitely easier path to the playoff, which brings more success and breeds better recruiting.

You seem to think we move two teams and everything else stays the same and that isn't true also. My 2017 is a perfect example in that Auburn beat both Bama and UGA they just could beat Georgia twice but there isn't anyone in the country that was going to go UGA, Bama, UGA that year and make it through with a perfect record. Swap those three games for one in the playoffs and things can be very different.

On the flip side you take away Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, aTm and Ole Miss (which is a bigger game they are always at risk to lose) from Bama and replace those games with just Texas and UT (which at least one of those would probably be in a different division or both) and interest starts falling off. The changes in dynamics are not simple in this scenario so I do think the Big 12 would be elevated but I don't think they would automatically be better than the SEC.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Lol … the divide is exactly what I think it is. One of us is delusional … it’s not me. Just look at your record since your last NC. Sorry but that’s facts.

You're just still mentally damaged from struggling to get over the hump that was Bama and they are in your brain. Malzahn was pretty much dead even with Saban in the series and Hugh Freeze was giving them fits before he hit the door. Florida came super close to beating them in 2020 in the championship game and with a little more depth probably does.

Not everyone is Tennessee, LSU and Georgia who have extreme trouble beating them so no the divide isn't insurmountable and the SEC doesn't live on Bama's coattails.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You're just still mentally damaged from struggling to get over the hump that was Bama and they are in your brain. Malzahn was pretty much dead even with Saban in the series and Hugh Freeze was giving them fits before he hit the door. Florida came super close to beating them in 2020 in the championship game and with a little more depth probably does.

Not everyone is Tennessee, LSU and Georgia who have extreme trouble beating them so no the divide isn't insurmountable and the SEC doesn't live on Bama's coattails.

LOL ... you talking to me about getting over the Bama hump. One of us won a natty last year, checks notes, over Bama. The other blew a lead against Bama, allowed a 95-yard, 1-minute drive; tried to kneecap their coach in the off-season; and went 6-7 last year. Don't lecture me about Bama.

I've tried to be nice, but you keep talking like your team is relevant - "yeah, the SEC is so great (it is) ... it has all these great teams like Bama, and UGA and LSU and Auburn." There's an SAT question for you ... which of these teams doesn't belong? Perhaps you will be back one day, but today Auburn is totally irrelevant in football and is a middling SEC team, at best. I don't see you reversing that any time soon. Winning a NC 11 years ago doesn't change that. You puffing your chest here and putting UGA down is really laughable considering the following:

- Since your NC you have had the following losses per season: 5, 9, 2, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 5, 7. That's an average of 5.5 losses per year. Why exactly are you talking like your team is relevant and contributes to the SEC's greatness? Oh, yeah, Vegas has your O/U wins at 6.5 this year. That's 5.5 losses, exactly your average. Talk about a conference bandwagoner ... lose 5.5 games per year but talk about how great your conference is (it is but not because of Auburn).

- You've been unranked 6 of 11 seasons since winning the NC, and when ranked you were 2, 22, 24, 10, and 14. That's an average ranking of 15 in the 5 of 11 years you were actually ranked.

- You just had a UTjr level coaching debacle, and it's highly likely you fire your current coach after his second year.

- You are currently ranked 63 in recruiting, comfortably bracketed by Mizzou and Central Michigan. Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, and Illinois have better classes than you. In the 2021 Team Composite you are 6th in the SEC, and 14th nationally. Your recruiting numbers for the last 2 years of 19 and 21, plus this year where you will likely end up around 15th, means you will drop further in the talent composite. With Texas and OU coming into the league you will be in the bottom half of the SEC.

- In the last 3 years you have had 11 players drafted ... we had 15 in last year's draft. Since your last natty, you had 39 players drafted in 11 years. We have had that many in the last 4 years.

- You are 5-16 against UGA in the last 2 decades, including a beatdown in the SECCG. That's bordering on "UF spanking UGA in the 80s and 90s" levels. I know how that feels, and it isn't great.

You brought the heat, so there it is. Football is cyclical. You may come back around in the next few decades. But until then you are riding the coattails of others in the SEC. It's not a good look.

 

[Wild Turkey]

LOL ... you talking to me about getting over the Bama hump. One of us won a natty last year, checks notes, over Bama. The other blew a lead against Bama, allowed a 95-yard, 1-minute drive; tried to kneecap their coach in the off-season; and went 6-7 last year. Don't lecture me about Bama.

I've tried to be nice, but you keep talking like your team is relevant - "yeah, the SEC is so great (it is) ... it has all these great teams like Bama, and UGA and LSU and Auburn." There's an SAT question for you ... which of these teams doesn't belong? Perhaps you will be back one day, but today Auburn is totally irrelevant in football and is a middling SEC team, at best. I don't see you reversing that any time soon. Winning a NC 11 years ago doesn't change that. You puffing your chest here and putting UGA down is really laughable considering the following:

- Since your NC you have had the following losses per season: 5, 9, 2, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 5, 7. That's an average of 5.5 losses per year. Why exactly are you talking like your team is relevant and contributes to the SEC's greatness? Oh, yeah, Vegas has your O/U wins at 6.5 this year. That's 5.5 losses, exactly your average. Talk about a conference bandwagoner ... lose 5.5 games per year but talk about how great your conference is (it is but not because of Auburn).

- You've been unranked 6 of 11 seasons since winning the NC, and when ranked you were 2, 22, 24, 10, and 14. That's an average ranking of 15 in the 5 of 11 years you were actually ranked.

- You just had a UTjr level coaching debacle, and it's highly likely you fire your current coach after his second year.

- You are currently ranked 63 in recruiting, comfortably bracketed by Mizzou and Central Michigan. Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, and Illinois have better classes than you. In the 2021 Team Composite you are 6th in the SEC, and 14th nationally. Your recruiting numbers for the last 2 years of 19 and 21, plus this year where you will likely end up around 15th, means you will drop further in the talent composite. With Texas and OU coming into the league you will be in the bottom half of the SEC.

- In the last 3 years you have had 11 players drafted ... we had 15 in last year's draft. Since your last natty, you had 39 players drafted in 11 years. We have had that many in the last 4 years.

- You are 5-16 against UGA in the last 2 decades, including a beatdown in the SECCG. That's bordering on "UF spanking UGA in the 80s and 90s" levels. I know how that feels, and it isn't great.

You brought the heat, so there it is. Football is cyclical. You may come back around in the next few decades. But until then you are riding the coattails of others in the SEC. It's not a good look.

I'm not riding any coattails sport.

Auburn is a top 10 most valuable programs
Top 15 winningest programs (and we've had some shit years)
Rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings
Nobody walks into Jordan Hare thinking it's a guaranteed win unless they are stupid.

We're down but Auburn still pulls great numbers and stands on their own two feet. If you think Auburn is going to be down for the next decade you're insane. Auburn had undefeated seasons under Terry Bowden, Tommy Tuberville and Gene Chizik so there isn't anything we can't overcome.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'm not riding any coattails sport.

Auburn is a top 10 most valuable programs
Top 15 winningest programs (and we've had some shit years)
Rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings
Nobody walks into Jordan Hare thinking it's a guaranteed win unless they are stupid.

We're down but Auburn still pulls great numbers and stands on their own two feet. If you think Auburn is going to be down for the next decade you're insane. Auburn had undefeated seasons under Terry Bowden, Tommy Tuberville and Gene Chizik so there isn't anything we can't overcome.

Do you even read what you type?

"Top 15 winningest programs (and we've had some shit years)" - 5, 9, 2, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 5, 7 - that tells me there is no guarantee you are suddenly going to find the magic.

"Rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings" - since natty 6 x unranked, 5 times - 2, 22, 24, 10, and 14. Rarely? Seems more like often out of the rankings and worse than top 15.

"Nobody walks into Jordan Hare thinking it's a guaranteed win unless they are stupid." - we are 7-4 in Auburn the last 11 times we've played there. Great atmosphere. We aren't guaranteed, but we like it.

Everything you just posted doesn't in any way counter the fact that you have sucked since your last natty. Like I said, you brought the heat, I didn't. You might try being a little more humble when you are down - as a UGA fan, I know how to do that. I hope not to have to do that for a while.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm stating anyone falls from the face of the earth. What I am stating is that if you remove Alabama and Georgia from Auburn's regular schedule they have an infinitely easier path to the playoff, which brings more success and breeds better recruiting.

You seem to think we move two teams and everything else stays the same and that isn't true also. My 2017 is a perfect example in that Auburn beat both Bama and UGA they just could beat Georgia twice but there isn't anyone in the country that was going to go UGA, Bama, UGA that year and make it through with a perfect record. Swap those three games for one in the playoffs and things can be very different.

On the flip side you take away Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, aTm and Ole Miss (which is a bigger game they are always at risk to lose) from Bama and replace those games with just Texas and UT (which at least one of those would probably be in a different division or both) and interest starts falling off. The changes in dynamics are not simple in this scenario so I do think the Big 12 would be elevated but I don't think they would automatically be better than the SEC.

The Big 12 would automatically be better than the SEC if Bama and Georgia joined them. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. If you moved Georgia to the PAC -- they'd be the best conference. If you moved them to the ACC, they'd be the best conference.

You keep bringing up Auburn and I have no clue why? You have averaged 5 losses a year for the last 8 years. The top recruits in Alabama are still going to sign with Alabama. The top recruits in the Georgia are still going to sign with Georgia.
Same goes with Tennessee -- if it were 20 years ago, Tennessee would be a great game on the schedule. Even with 13 games on the schedule -- they haven't won 10 games in a season in 15 years. In 11 of those 15 years -- they lost 6 or 7 games. Tennessee moves the needle right now as much as Nebraska does for the B1G. Ole Miss has finished a season ranked in the top 25 at the end of the year only 5 times in the last 25 years. Since the turn of the century -- Texas A&M has won 10 games in a season exactly once, that is 22 seasons. These are the teams who are going to make the SEC the best conference?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm not riding any coattails sport.

Auburn is a top 10 most valuable programs
Top 15 winningest programs (and we've had some shit years)
Rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings
Nobody walks into Jordan Hare thinking it's a guaranteed win unless they are stupid.

We're down but Auburn still pulls great numbers and stands on their own two feet. If you think Auburn is going to be down for the next decade you're insane. Auburn had undefeated seasons under Terry Bowden, Tommy Tuberville and Gene Chizik so there isn't anything we can't overcome.

It'd be much more impressive if you were rarely out of the top 15 ranking in the year end poll. The fact you say you are rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings and you've only had 4 years in the last 15 you finished the year in the top 15 is pretty sad and screams................Auburn is riding the coattails of Bama and Georgia.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

As far as "viewers" go, recent data shows B1G is the winner. But if you go by quality of football, (which seems to take a seat behind viewers and money nowadays) data says it is the SEC by a long shot. Look who has the nattys since the CFP began. And it is all about the nattys now. The SEC has five of the eight played with three different teams winning them! B1G has one and the ACC has two by the same team. Big 12 and PAC 12 have zilch, zero, nada. The ACC and the B1G need to have other teams step up. And the Big 12 and PAC 12 need to have "A" team step up....and then others!

2014 - B1G Ohio State
2015 - SEC Alabama
2016 - ACC Clemson
2017 - SEC Alabama
2018 - ACC Clemson
2019 - SEC LSU
2020 - SEC Alabama
2021 - SEC Georgia

I ain't an SEC honk but I have to admit the SEC is by far the best when it comes to performing against other conferences in the playoffs.

You won't hear me argue about which conference is the best. It is definitely the SEC. But if you take Bama and Georgia out of the SEC and put them in any other conference, that conference would now be considered the best conference.

PAC would have Bama, Georgia, USC and Oregon.
B1G would have Bama, Georgia, OSU and Michigan
ACC would have Bama Georgia, Clemson and Florida State
Big 12 would have Bama, Georgia, Oklahoma and Texas

The fact @Wild Turkey thinks the SEC would still be the best conference if you removed Bama and Georgia is absolutely laughable.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Do you even read what you type?

"Top 15 winningest programs (and we've had some shit years)" - 5, 9, 2, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 5, 7 - that tells me there is no guarantee you are suddenly going to find the magic.

"Rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings" - since natty 6 x unranked, 5 times - 2, 22, 24, 10, and 14. Rarely? Seems more like often out of the rankings and worse than top 15.

"Nobody walks into Jordan Hare thinking it's a guaranteed win unless they are stupid." - we are 7-4 in Auburn the last 11 times we've played there. Great atmosphere. We aren't guaranteed, but we like it.

Everything you just posted doesn't in any way counter the fact that you have sucked since your last natty. Like I said, you brought the heat, I didn't. You might try being a little more humble when you are down - as a UGA fan, I know how to do that. I hope not to have to do that for a while.

We won the natty in 2010
We played for another and lost in the last 10 seconds in 2013
We were one win away from the playoffs in 2017

Saying we have sucked since we won the natty is just BS.

 

[Wild Turkey]

The Big 12 would automatically be better than the SEC if Bama and Georgia joined them. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. If you moved Georgia to the PAC -- they'd be the best conference. If you moved them to the ACC, they'd be the best conference.

You keep bringing up Auburn and I have no clue why? You have averaged 5 losses a year for the last 8 years. The top recruits in Alabama are still going to sign with Alabama. The top recruits in the Georgia are still going to sign with Georgia.
Same goes with Tennessee -- if it were 20 years ago, Tennessee would be a great game on the schedule. Even with 13 games on the schedule -- they haven't won 10 games in a season in 15 years. In 11 of those 15 years -- they lost 6 or 7 games. Tennessee moves the needle right now as much as Nebraska does for the B1G. Ole Miss has finished a season ranked in the top 25 at the end of the year only 5 times in the last 25 years. Since the turn of the century -- Texas A&M has won 10 games in a season exactly once, that is 22 seasons. These are the teams who are going to make the SEC the best conference?

There is no FACT to anything you wrote its all opinion.

And it's opinion based on your perception and refusal to actually think how things would be different if two teams left. Your assumption is that everything else would stay exactly the same and that isn't remotely possible. You ignore any counterpoints and are stuck on your simplified narrative that is flawed.

If moved Alabama and Georgia to the big 12 it would have 2 teams that had won a natty since the BCS era. The SEC would still have 4 left in the conference. Nobody has the depth that the SEC has period.

 

[Wild Turkey]

It'd be much more impressive if you were rarely out of the top 15 ranking in the year end poll. The fact you say you are rarely out of the top 15 in recruiting rankings and you've only had 4 years in the last 15 you finished the year in the top 15 is pretty sad and screams................Auburn is riding the coattails of Bama and Georgia.

How are we riding their coattails?

In the last 20 years, we have won as many SEC and national championships as Georgia.

Alabama barely had a winning record against Malzahn and we took them to 4 OTs last year. The fact is Auburn has had more success against Alabama than anyone else in the country.

Again it's all a fake narrative that lives in your head.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

There is no FACT to anything you wrote its all opinion.

And it's opinion based on your perception and refusal to actually think how things would be different if two teams left. Your assumption is that everything else would stay exactly the same and that isn't remotely possible. You ignore any counterpoints and are stuck on your simplified narrative that is flawed.

If moved Alabama and Georgia to the big 12 it would have 2 teams that had won a natty since the BCS era. The SEC would still have 4 left in the conference. Nobody has the depth that the SEC has period.

You keep talking BCS, as if that is something that is even around anymore. The BCS is about as relevant as most of the teams you've mentioned, as the other SEC teams.

If we are talking the past 30 years, when the players on current rosters weren't even a blip on their parents radar for another 8-10 years -- then sure, it fits your narrative. It'd be like the B1G pounding their chest and saying we have Nebraska and they have won multiple titles in the last 30 years. Here is the problem -- they aren't relevant in today's CFB. Just like Tennessee isn't relevant, Florida hasn't been relevant, Auburn hasn't really been relevant, etc. The teams carrying the SEC have been Bama and Georgia or Bama and LSU. Every other team is being dragged by the collars by those teams for the last decade plus.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

How are we riding their coattails?

In the last 20 years, we have won as many SEC and national championships as Georgia.

Alabama barely had a winning record against Malzahn and we took them to 4 OTs last year. The fact is Auburn has had more success against Alabama than anyone else in the country.

Again it's all a fake narrative that lives in your head.

Congrats -- it is your in state rival -- it doesn't change the fact you have 41 losses in the last 8 years. FORTY ONE. Alabama has had 25 losses in the last 15 years and only 19 losses in the last 14 years.

And it isn't a "fake narrative" -- You tell me how the SEC would be better than the B1G if you added Georgia and Bama? or the Big 12? or the ACC? The PAC 12 would arguably be the only conference you could add them to and they may not be top conference with them and even that is debatable.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We won the natty in 2010
We played for another and lost in the last 10 seconds in 2013
We were one win away from the playoffs in 2017

Saying we have sucked since we won the natty is just BS.

You have 41 losses in the last 8 years. Yes, you have sucked.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We won the natty in 2010
We played for another and lost in the last 10 seconds in 2013
We were one win away from the playoffs in 2017

Saying we have sucked since we won the natty is just BS.

Man, you are living in la la land. What you did in 2010 and 2013 doesn't mean shit 10 years later. Under your scenario, FSU is still a powerhouse. They won a NC more recently than you ... do you consider them a great team?

One more time:

Losses - 5, 9, 2, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 5, 7
Ranking - 6 x unranked, 5 times ranked - 2, 22, 24, 10, and 14

What part of that isn't sucked? Seriously, dude. Explain how that isn't sucked.