If The 2021 Season Had Still Been The Bowl Alliance

[Red_Alert]

You keep calling me a dumbass while presenting a situation that wouldn't have happened, and I'm trying to explain to you why. The alliance goes off the rankings, Cincy wouldn't have been included as they weren't part of the alliance. Notre Dame absolutely was part of the alliance. So what would have happened (ignoring Cincy in the rankings) is Alabama and Georgia would have played, Alabama would have won, ND would have been voted in above UGA and Alabama and ND would have played in a bowl game, with Alabama (and possibly ND) vying for the national championship (or a share). If the bowl alliance existed, Georgia would have not had a path to a national title last year.

Because you are a dumbass.

#4 Cincy would not have been part of the equation in the Bowl Alliance.

The only teams that would have been part of the Bowl Alliance equation are #1 Alabama (12-1), #2 Michigan (12-1), #3 Georgia (12-1), and #10 Utah (10-3).

#1 Alabama vs #3 Georgia (Sugar Bowl)
#2 Michigan vs #10 Utah (Rose Bowl)

#4 Cincy would likely have played the Big 8 champ in the Orange bowl or someone else in the Fiesta Bowl. Neither of those games would have been for the NC. i.e. Not part of the Bowl Alliance equation.

Michigan would have back doored their way (again) to a NC.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I saw Fraud and Michigan in the OP so need to read further. Post is legit.

 

[Red_Alert]

Not that they wouldn't have an SEC vs and SEC -- that they wouldn't have immediately replayed a game that just happened, especially with 11-1 ND sitting in the wings at 4/5 when Georgia lost.

Your proof is right here, dumbass.

This is the AP poll for Dec 5th (after CCG's) and the Final AP poll after bowl games.

Per Bowl Alliance rules (rules matter), then #1 Alabama would have drawn #3 Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

#2 Michigan would have drawn the PAC 12 Champ #10 Utah in the Rose Bowl.

Since #1 Alabama got beat, Michigan would have back doored their way in to the 2021 NC.

 

[Red_Alert]

Still not my point. It's about the timing. They wouldn't have played an SEC title game with Alabama vs. Georgia, Georgia losing, and then immediately played Alabama vs. Georgia again in the bowl game. It just wouldn't have happened.

The SEC began playing CCG's in 1992.

The AP poll after the SEC CCG (Dec 5th) proves you're an ignorant moron.

 

[Deep Creek]

That and markets. Boise Idaho is just one of those redneck and rural states that don't fit Pac12.

I am also surprised Big12 went with Houston over Boise State. Boise State is one of those programs that I feel deserves the next step up.

Houston is the perfect example of the hipocracy of the "only inviting a guest to the party that has to bring an equal payout" with them. (UCLA is another IMO) The Big 12 already had what part of the Texas market they were going to have without Houston. And I doubt there are tons of Cougar High alumni scattered throughout the country that are itching to watch them from parts unknown. Hell, my Miners have large alumni groups in Houston and DFW.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The AP poll after the SEC CCG (Dec 5th) proves you're an ignorant moron.

But what I'm saying is this absolutely wouldn't have happened in 1997. Cincinnati wouldn't have been ranked in the top 5 in 1997, ND would have jumped Georgia in 1997. The context of the modern rankings has to come with the understanding of the playoff system and the impacts it has on ALL the rankings.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Your proof is right here, dumbass.

This is the AP poll for Dec 5th (after CCG's) and the Final AP poll after bowl games.

Per Bowl Alliance rules (rules matter), then #1 Alabama would have drawn #3 Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

#2 Michigan would have drawn the PAC 12 Champ #10 Utah in the Rose Bowl.

Since #1 Alabama got beat, Michigan would have back doored their way in to the 2021 NC.

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But this doesn't happen in 1997. In the context of that system, voters absolutely jump ND above Georgia. ND is probably 3 or 4 headed into that weekend. Cincy wouldn't have been ranked like they would have these days.

 

[Red_Alert]

But what I'm saying is this absolutely wouldn't have happened in 1997. Cincinnati wouldn't have been ranked in the top 5 in 1997, ND would have jumped Georgia in 1997. The context of the modern rankings has to come with the understanding of the playoff system and the impacts it has on ALL the rankings.

Stop injecting #4 Cincinnati as some sort of distraction.

They wouldn't have been part of the 1997 Bowl Alliance equation. They'd likely have played #5 Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl.

 

[Red_Alert]

Everything I'm using is the AP Poll after the regular season and pre-bowl games.

Both 1997 and 2021

You know.... The AP poll that gifted Michigan the 1997 NC.

Michigan would have dodged both #1 Alabama and #3 Georgia in 2021.

They'd have drawn #10 Utah in the Rose Bowl.

Just like they drew #8 Washington St in 1997 instead of #2 Nebraska.

 

[Thiefery]

we have fall camp going on now and y'all rather argue about MNCs from past years galore.. Save this shit for February

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Stop injecting Cincinnati as some sort of distraction.

They wouldn't have been part of the 1997 Bowl Alliance.

Right. They wouldn't have. But they prevented ND from being right behind UGA in the rankings so removing them is super important to the context of this question. Most likely you're looking at, before the CCGs, is UGA , Michigan, Alabama, ND. UGA loses and probably drops to #4,

also fun fact, I just learned this tidbit:

Bowl Alliance

The Bowl Alliance was an agreement among college football bowl games (specifically the Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls) for the purpose of trying to match the top two teams in a national championship bowl game and to provide quality bowl game matchups for the champions of its member conferences...

americanfootball.fandom.com

" The top two ranked teams from the Alliance conferences met in the Bowl Alliance national championship game, which rotated between the three Alliance bowls and was always held on January 2. Whoever won that game was guaranteed to be declared national champion at least in the Coaches' Poll, as they were locked into naming whoever won as their national champion regardless of whether the team was ranked #1 in the AP Poll or not."

lol, so Nebraska was championship by default. Classic.

 

[Voltaire]

The 1997 season had the "Bowl Alliance" who's purpose was to match the two highest ranked teams in a National Championship Game.
The Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowls were part of the Alliance. The Rose Bowl was not.

The Big 10 and PAC 10 refused to join the Alliance because they wanted their conference champs to play in the Rose Bowl.

The Top 4 teams in 2021 were
1. Alabama (12-1)
2. Michigan (12-1)
3. Georgia (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)

Instead of #2 Michigan having to play #3 Georgia they'd have gotten to play #10 (10-3) Utah in the Rose Bowl.

#1 Alabama would have drawn the next highest ranked team in #3 Georgia (we know what happened there), therefore gifting Michigan the National Championship had they simply beaten #10 Utah in the Rose Bowl.

That is why Michigan is the AP Natty fraud in 1997.

After a quarter of a century you still are trying to make excuses that Nebraska was the only champion in 1997. It is kinda pathetic ... let me guess what the next thread is going to be ... "Russian Interference boosts Michigan to the #1 spot in the AP"?

 

[Red_Alert]

2021 AP poll post CCG's under the Bowl Alliance



#1 Alabama vs #3 Georgia (Sugar Bowl)
#2 Michigan vs #10 Utah (Rose Bowl)
#4 Cincinnati vs #5 Notre Dame (Fiesta Bowl)
#6 Baylor vs either Ohio St or Ole Miss (Orange Bowl)

 

[Red_Alert]

Right. They wouldn't have. But they prevented ND from being right behind UGA in the rankings so removing them is super important to the context of this question. Most likely you're looking at, before the CCGs, is UGA , Michigan, Alabama, ND. UGA loses and probably drops to #4,

also fun fact, I just learned this tidbit:

Bowl Alliance

The Bowl Alliance was an agreement among college football bowl games (specifically the Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls) for the purpose of trying to match the top two teams in a national championship bowl game and to provide quality bowl game matchups for the champions of its member conferences...

americanfootball.fandom.com

" The top two ranked teams from the Alliance conferences met in the Bowl Alliance national championship game, which rotated between the three Alliance bowls and was always held on January 2. Whoever won that game was guaranteed to be declared national champion at least in the Coaches' Poll, as they were locked into naming whoever won as their national champion regardless of whether the team was ranked #1 in the AP Poll or not."

lol, so Nebraska was championship by default. Classic.

Michigan would have dodged both #4 Cincinnati and #5 Notre Dame too, dumbass.

Michigan would have hidden in the Rose Bowl against #10 Utah.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan would have dodged both #4 Cincinnati and #5 Notre Dame too, dumbass.

Michigan would have hidden in the Rose Bowl against #10 Utah.

Yes. But at least get the situation correct. Because the point I'm making is that if the 1997 system existed last year, Alabama is probably the national champion and not Georgia. So that's more legitimate?

 

[Red_Alert]

After a quarter of a century you still are trying to make excuses that Nebraska was the only champion in 1997. It is kinda pathetic ... let me guess what the next thread is going to be ... "Russian Interference boosts Michigan to the #1 spot in the AP"?

We don't know who the champion would have been, because #1 Michigan hid in the Rose Bowl against #8 Washington St.

They didn't have to play #2 Nebraska.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

We don't know who the champion would have been, because #1 Michigan hid in the Rose Bowl against #8 Washington St.

They didn't have to play #2 Nebraska.

I guess we can look at common opponents to get some clues....

 

[Red_Alert]

Yes. But at least get the situation correct. Because the point I'm making is that if the 1997 system existed last year, Alabama is probably the national champion and not Georgia. So that's more legitimate?

The AP Poll after the CCG's would have matched #1 Alabama against the next highest ranked team.

#2 Michigan would have hidden in the Rose Bowl against #10 Utah, so #3 Georgia would have been Alabama's opponent in the Sugar Bowl.

That is why #2 Nebraska got #3 Tennessee in the Orange bowl after the 1997 regular season.

 

[Red_Alert]

I guess we can look at common opponents to get some clues....

Like in-conference rivals 'on the road' compared to out-of-conference games 'at home'?

Michigan got OOC Colorado and Baylor in Ann Arbor.
Nebraska played both conference foes on the road.

Keep reaching and distracting.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The AP Poll after the CCG's would have matched #1 Alabama against the next highest ranked team.

#2 Michigan would have hidden in the Rose Bowl against #10 Utah, so #3 Georgia would have been Alabama's opponent in the Sugar Bowl.

That is why #2 Nebraska got #3 Tennessee in the Orange bowl after the 1997 regular season.

But that wouldn't have ever happened, that's what you don't seem to get. The voters never would have allowed, or voted for, back to back games against UGA and Alabama.