Interesting article on no more expansion ...

[duckboy33]

Honestly it’s more interesting to think about what’s gonna happen to the ACC. I don’t think the SEC will just sit back and let the Big Ten pick up teams like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, etc

 

[Wild Turkey]

Good chance 80% of the remaining teams are in different conferences before the media deal starts. Nobody is signing a long term GOR, they are going to push for a very short term contract. Assuming the conference isn't poached by the Big Ten prior to completing a media deal.

I've read EVERY comment of Warren's that has been reported in print and the only thing in regards to the Big 10 going to 20 teams was the following:


That is hardly definititive that the B1G is going to 20 teams as he just said that he could see future growth. Everyone sees that but chances if it happening before the ACC is sorted in 2036 I put at less than 40% chance. Notre Dame isn't going anywhere until then and as reported the networks don't see the additional value in PAC schools.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Honestly it’s more interesting to think about what’s gonna happen to the ACC. I don’t think the SEC will just sit back and let the Big Ten pick up teams like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, etc

That is the first thing you've posted in a while that makes sense but what you aren't realizing is that the B1G goes to 20 with PAC schools they probably max out at 20 with one spot being ND. If they make the move YOU think they are going to make it will hand the ACC to the SEC on a platter and the SEC will sit back and cherry-pick who they want.

 

[duckboy33]

I've read EVERY comment of Warren's that has been reported in print and the only thing in regards to the Big 10 going to 20 teams was the following:

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That is hardly definititive that the B1G is going to 20 teams as he just said that he could see future growth. Everyone sees that but chances if it happening before the ACC is sorted in 2036 I put at less than 40% chance. Notre Dame isn't going anywhere until then and as reported the networks don't see the additional value in PAC schools.

Big Ten will announce 20 by the end of 2023 (could be much earlier). I’ve laid out the steps. It matches what Feldman and McMurphy are saying and what people more connected than I am are saying.

You can say nothing happens until 2036 but that’s going to be proven wrong soon IMO

 

[Volbound1700]

@WhosYourDawggy

So it looks like you may have been wrong about $ 100M requirement. B1G is going to be getting ~ $ 70M per team based on my understanding of the new TV Contract and that is an AMAZING Contract and the best one so far.

I am also hearing more rumors of expansion. Finebaum (sure he isn't the best resource but he has access to far more resources than any of us including the SEC Administrative Office) stated that another SEC expansion is inevitable.

I don't see it happening anytime soon but I could be wrong.

A lot of rumbling about OU and Texas coming in 2023. The guy in this video gave some details about it:

No 100% items but there are some strange coincidences going on.

 

[duckboy33]

That is the first thing you've posted in a while that makes sense but what you aren't realizing is that the B1G goes to 20 with PAC schools they probably max out at 20 with one spot being ND. If they make the move YOU think they are going to make it will hand the ACC to the SEC on a platter and the SEC will sit back and cherry-pick who they want.

Lol no. Big ten isn’t going to stop at 20. Only temporarily until the ACC schools become available.

Big Ten is doing something we’ve never seen before. They’re going national and trying to dominate the market share. Will it work? I don’t know but their vision is clear

 

[duckboy33]

@WhosYourDawggy

So it looks like you may have been wrong about $ 100M requirement. B1G is going to be getting ~ $ 70M per team based on my understanding of the new TV Contract and that is an AMAZING Contract and the best one so far.

I am also hearing more rumors of expansion. Finebaum (sure he isn't the best resource but he has access to far more resources than any of us including the SEC Administrative Office) stated that another SEC expansion is inevitable.

I don't see it happening anytime soon but I could be wrong.

A lot of rumbling about OU and Texas coming in 2023. The guy in this video gave some details about it:

No 100% items but there are some strange coincidences going on.

SEC is gonna have to expand in order to prevent the Big Ten from expanding into the south east. They cant watch the Big Ten pickup teams in the North East, Midwest, West coast and then come take some big brands in the south.

My guess is the SEC may expand more than people initially think. They make take up to 8 ACC schools to make sure they keep that brand of having all the south east heavy weights

 

[huskers1217]

I've read EVERY comment of Warren's that has been reported in print and the only thing in regards to the Big 10 going to 20 teams was the following:

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That is hardly definititive that the B1G is going to 20 teams as he just said that he could see future growth. Everyone sees that but chances if it happening before the ACC is sorted in 2036 I put at less than 40% chance. Notre Dame isn't going anywhere until then and as reported the networks don't see the additional value in PAC schools.

yep this.

nothing happens until ND happens and nothing happens until ACC figures out their GOR

 

[Volbound1700]

SEC is gonna have to expand in order to prevent the Big Ten from expanding into the south east. They cant watch the Big Ten pickup teams in the North East, Midwest, West coast and then come take some big brands in the south.

My guess is the SEC may expand more than people initially think. They make take up to 8 ACC schools to make sure they keep that brand of having all the south east heavy weights

I agree. I think Florida is vulnerable. SEC would be fine if B1G only grabbed 1 Florida power from ACC but if they grab both, SEC would be in slight trouble of the state becoming a B1G rather than SEC state (in some ways that might be better overall for CFB).

The travel and culture shock would not be preferable for either FSU or Miami though. I think both would prefer SEC over B1G but would head to B1G if they came calling and they can get out of the ACC GOR. The ACC GOR is still a hold-up so I am going to assume we are hypothetically talking about a 2035 or so date.

I am a fan of SEC only grabbing FSU and then perhaps getting Clemson. Those two would wrap-up Southeast. SEC can then try to go into North Carolina and Virginia to grab a team.

No where else makes sense other than Notre Dame although that would be an odd cultural/geographical fit.

In some ways, both the B1G and SEC have an advantage with the ACC GOR in that they can see how these programs continue to maintain themselves over a stretch of time and see if these brands hold-up.

B1G is really in a good spot because they got the Pac12 to poach from if needed but eventually can also poach the ACC.

 

[Volbound1700]

That is the first thing you've posted in a while that makes sense but what you aren't realizing is that the B1G goes to 20 with PAC schools they probably max out at 20 with one spot being ND. If they make the move YOU think they are going to make it will hand the ACC to the SEC on a platter and the SEC will sit back and cherry-pick who they want.

Agree. I think right now the B1G wishlist is the following:

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. Washington

That gives UCLA and USC some buddies. Issue is Notre Dame. Notre Dame still wants to stay independent and I don't see them making the move. Will the B1G expand without Notre Dame and who would be the replacement?

People keep talking about maybe Cal but Stanford covers their region and Cal just doesn't bring enough to the table. My crazy pick is actually Colorado. That gives Nebraska a buddy and gives B1G the Denver market. Problem is Colorado just needs to become a better brand. They would be a lot like a Maryland/Rutgers type pickup in that they got a lot of potential but they just don't have any value at the moment.

 

[duckboy33]

I agree. I think Florida is vulnerable. SEC would be fine if B1G only grabbed 1 Florida power from ACC but if they grab both, SEC would be in slight trouble of the state becoming a B1G rather than SEC state (in some ways that might be better overall for CFB).

The travel and culture shock would not be preferable for either FSU or Miami though. I think both would prefer SEC over B1G but would head to B1G if they came calling and they can get out of the ACC GOR. The ACC GOR is still a hold-up so I am going to assume we are hypothetically talking about a 2035 or so date.

I am a fan of SEC only grabbing FSU and then perhaps getting Clemson. Those two would wrap-up Southeast. SEC can then try to go into North Carolina and Virginia to grab a team.

No where else makes sense other than Notre Dame although that would be an odd cultural/geographical fit.

In some ways, both the B1G and SEC have an advantage with the ACC GOR in that they can see how these programs continue to maintain themselves over a stretch of time and see if these brands hold-up.

B1G is really in a good spot because they got the Pac12 to poach from if needed but eventually can also poach the ACC.

If I’m the SEC, I’d do everything I can to eventually get UNC, Clemson, FSU and Miami. That would shut the doors on any major programs in the south.

GOR is gonna be an issue for the ACC teams. I don’t see how they can get out of it without dissolving the conference and that’s a longshot

 

[duckboy33]

Agree. I think right now the B1G wishlist is the following:

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. Washington

That gives UCLA and USC some buddies. Issue is Notre Dame. Notre Dame still wants to stay independent and I don't see them making the move. Will the B1G expand without Notre Dame and who would be the replacement?

People keep talking about maybe Cal but Stanford covers their region and Cal just doesn't bring enough to the table. My crazy pick is actually Colorado. That gives Nebraska a buddy and gives B1G the Denver market. Problem is Colorado just needs to become a better brand. They would be a lot like a Maryland/Rutgers type pickup in that they got a lot of potential but they just don't have any value at the moment.

Ive been told they will go to 20 but Cal isn’t necessarily a lock. I’ve heard ASU and Utah are longshots. CU makes some sense as well.

California gives Big Ten teams more trips to California for recruiting, brings in the #1 public school in the country, and solves the UC regents/UCLA headache. That’s why I think it will ultimately be them

 

[Volbound1700]

If I’m the SEC, I’d do everything I can to eventually get UNC, Clemson, FSU and Miami. That would shut the doors on any major programs in the south.

GOR is gonna be an issue for the ACC teams. I don’t see how they can get out of it without dissolving the conference and that’s a longshot

That is why we will get another 10-year gap before the last major expansions hit. The fact of the Pac12 is still up in the air as well as the current Big12. Both are going to come down to the TV Contracts.

The ACC schools really goofed up with their contracts. I cannot remember who stated this but there is a reason the B1G and SEC are the kings and it isn't just our schools, some bad decisions by these leagues overall.

It is sad for CFB because I liked the 5-6 power league formats. I would have rather seen expansions relegated to these leagues adding up and coming G5 schools rather than poaching from each other.

 

[ericd7633]

Stanford, Oregon and Washington will be joining. ND will have that option to join now but they’ll go to 20 without ND if need be.

Sounds like the plan is to ditch divisions. 4-5-5-5 model has some support. 4 permanent rivals plus 5 other games rotated

I don't see this happening any time soon. If ND joins, my guess it's in probably 2030(after the 7 year B1G media deal expires) I'm also not sure why the B1G would be in a hurry to add 4 more team's?

 

[Volbound1700]

Ive been told they will go to 20 but Cal isn’t necessarily a lock. I’ve heard ASU and Utah are longshots. CU makes some sense as well.

California gives Big Ten teams more trips to California for recruiting, brings in the #1 public school in the country, and solves the UC regents/UCLA headache. That’s why I think it will ultimately be them

I agree. Stanford isn't that attractive when you look at fanbase, etc. but it has other intangibles that makes Stanford a very good pickup:

1. Gets B1G in Bay Area/Northern California
2. Stanford is one of the top athletic programs in nation when you look at all sports
3. Academic prestige
4. Gives USC and UCLA a California buddy

 

[Wild Turkey]

Big Ten will announce 20 by the end of 2023 (could be much earlier). I’ve laid out the steps. It matches what Feldman and McMurphy are saying and what people more connected than I am are saying.

You can say nothing happens until 2036 but that’s going to be proven wrong soon IMO

I think you want it to happen and honestly I do too because if it does then the SEC sits back with 16 teams and has every ACC team applying for membership. We can pick up UNC, Clemson, FSU and Virginia (note a lot of people disagree with me on Virginia but I think the SEC will want to solidify a southern wall and capture all of the states).

Nothing would make me happier if the SEC went to 20 teams and split into two divisions of 10 with the OG SEC teams coming back together. That absolutely won't happen because it will be pods so we rotate games more frequently but I would love to be back to the original 10 and play Tenn and Florida every year again.

The fact is I don't think it happens because I don't believe the B1G wants Cal at all and would only take Stanford if meant getting ND. The name of the game is to get that absolute best lineup you possibly can as quality is more important than quantity at this point. If they commit to 4 more PAC teams then 100% shut out the potential of picking up ACC schools.

If Oregon and Washington's mentality is not to sign a GOR or just a short-term one then that alone will sink the PAC and drive Arizona and ASU to the Big 12 with Utah and Colorado following. It's just a dangerous version of the game Chicken if that is the thought process and the Big 12 wins.

 

[duckboy33]

I don't see this happening any time soon. If ND joins, my guess it's in probably 2030(after the 7 year B1G media deal expires) I'm also not sure why the B1G would be in a hurry to add 4 more team's?

1) Adding 4 more west coast teams opens up another tv time slot and gets espn back in the game.
2) USC and UCLA won’t be left on an island

I agree on ND. From what I’ve heard, they aren’t going to jump until they have no other choice.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I don't see this happening any time soon. If ND joins, my guess it's in probably 2030(after the 7 year B1G media deal expires) I'm also not sure why the B1G would be in a hurry to add 4 more team's?

ND is going to sign a long-term deal with NBC and they are under contract until 2036 if they join a conference it will be the ACC. So unless the ACC folds ND isn't going anywhere. ND is the one school that if they've signed a contract then they will honor it period.

 

[Volbound1700]

1) Adding 4 more west coast teams opens up another tv time slot and gets espn back in the game.
2) USC and UCLA won’t be left on an island

I agree on ND. From what I’ve heard, they aren’t going to jump until they have no other choice.

Why would B1G want that? Seems like their current TV Contract is actually superior.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Lol no. Big ten isn’t going to stop at 20. Only temporarily until the ACC schools become available.

Big Ten is doing something we’ve never seen before. They’re going national and trying to dominate the market share. Will it work? I don’t know but their vision is clear

You're delusional. Anything past 22 teams is insane.