Interesting article on no more expansion ...

Volbound1700 said:
UVA is only in the conversation for two reasons:

1. UNC wants to bring a rival with them and between Duke and UVA, UVA is far more attractive
2. UVA is a new market

UVA always has stronger academic standing. UVA isn't a great football brand but its an EXCELLENT University and is competitive in the non-football sports (especially basketball).

UVA has a lot of the same positives as Stanford.
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UVA definitely has its merits. They will end up in the SEC or the Big Ten IMO. If the SEC does go UNC, UVA, Clemson and FSU, the Big Ten likely goes Miami, GT, Duke and Virginia Tech. That’s a clear SEC win if that’s how it goes down
 
duckboy33 said:
Miami has its struggles but with Big Ten money behind them, they could get serious real quick again. There’s higher potential with Miami than UVA IMO
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People disagree with me on Virginia and that’s fine but my gut tells me the SEC wants that state in the footprint.

It goes against the football argument and ratings argument and I get that but I also think the SEC presidents will want Virginia.

Personally I say screw Virginia and grab both UNC and Duke and make a play to be as dominant in basketball as you are in football. With KY, UNC and Duke in the SEC no one could dispute they would be the top basketball conference.

The SEC would be tops in football, basketball and baseball at that point. Nobody asks me though.
 
duckboy33 said:
UVA definitely has its merits. They will end up in the SEC or the Big Ten IMO. If the SEC does go UNC, UVA, Clemson and FSU, the Big Ten likely goes Miami, GT, Duke and Virginia Tech. That’s a clear SEC win if that’s how it goes down
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I don’t see a scenario where the B1G expands past 22 teams or anyone for that matter. If they add all the PAC teams you are expecting and then all these ACC school leftovers plus ND it would be a logistic nightmare. You literally would have to limit the basketball tournament and cut teams or it would last a month.

There would be too much brand and revenue dilution. It won’t happen.
 
Wild Turkey said:
People disagree with me on Virginia and that’s fine but my gut tells me the SEC wants that state in the footprint.

It goes against the football argument and ratings argument and I get that but I also think the SEC presidents will want Virginia.

Personally I say screw Virginia and grab both UNC and Duke and make a play to be as dominant in basketball as you are in football. With KY, UNC and Duke in the SEC no one could dispute they would be the top basketball conference.

The SEC would be tops in football, basketball and baseball at that point. Nobody asks me though.
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I don’t think uva is crazy. It expands the footprint of the SEC to include the entire south. Maybe the SEC ends up taking UVA, Duke and Miami
 
duckboy33 said:
I don’t think uva is crazy. It expands the footprint of the SEC to include the entire south. Maybe the SEC ends up taking UVA, Duke and Miami
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You’ve got an expansion addiction that runs counter to reality. I just don’t see the numbers being there to support the level of expansion you envision.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I don’t see a scenario where the B1G expands past 22 teams or anyone for that matter. If they add all the PAC teams you are expecting and then all these ACC school leftovers plus ND it would be a logistic nightmare. You literally would have to limit the basketball tournament and cut teams or it would last a month.

There would be too much brand and revenue dilution. It won’t happen.
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If they expand past 20, I think we are looking at splitting the leagues for other sports and just playing under the Big Ten banner. It makes no sense to have these teams fly across the country to play each other in tennis.

Another reason why the Big Ten isn’t going to leave USC and UCLA on an island out west
 
Wild Turkey said:
You’ve got an expansion addiction that runs counter to reality. I just don’t see the numbers being there to support the level of expansion you envision.
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SEc could very well stop at 20. They have a different (and honestly probably better) vision than the Big Ten does. SEC has the ability to be a regional conference that still has enough big brands. Big Ten is trying to go national and dominate market share. It will be interesting to see how the two visions work out moving forward
 
duckboy33 said:
ESPN is gonna have to pay someone. They either pay the PAC (who will want them to shoulder the bulk of their content) or they can consolidate things in the Big Ten and get the late night time slot anyways. I’m not sure they will spend any more money doing it within the Big Ten
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Why would other B1G schools take less money to have them join? ESPN would have to pay $300 Million for other B1G teams to not lose money(adding 4 more teams). I don't see that happening. ESPN gets the top 2 games, the P12 gets a deal with a DTC, and then other games on the P12 Network.
 
ericd7633 said:
Why would other B1G schools take less money to have them join? ESPN would have to pay $300 Million for other B1G teams to not lose money(adding 4 more teams). I don't see that happening. ESPN gets the top 2 games, the P12 gets a deal with a DTC, and then other games on the P12 Network.
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they’re not going to. Escalation clause

Remember that adding more inventory will increase the overall value of the current contract, ESPNs payment isn’t the only one that’s going to be added. The escalation language has made it Very clear that expansion is coming and soon. If you disagree, that’s fine. We will all see it play out over the next 15 months, if not sooner
 
duckboy33 said:
they’re not going to. Escalation clause

Remember that adding more inventory will increase the overall value of the current contract, ESPNs payment isn’t the only one that’s going to be added. The escalation language has made it Very clear that expansion is coming and soon. If you disagree, that’s fine. We will all see it play out over the next 15 months, if not sooner
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I'm not saying they aren't ever going to expand, it just won't be as early as you're making it out to be IMO. And ND will be the one that gets the ball rolling IMO, if they join. Which they won't anytime soon, once the NBC deal is done.
 
duckboy33 said:
SEc could very well stop at 20. They have a different (and honestly probably better) vision than the Big Ten does. SEC has the ability to be a regional conference that still has enough big brands. Big Ten is trying to go national and dominate market share. It will be interesting to see how the two visions work out moving forward
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I don’t think that is what the B1G is doing. They are grabbing the biggest brands they can that generate ratings and revenue. USC was a no brainer and grabbing UCLA also so that the B1G owned the state of California in ratings and in recruiting made sense.

What you are talking about doesn’t make sense and from quotes I posted in this thread it appears the networks who are paying out the money don’t think so either.

You’re dreaming of a mega conference that goes from LA to New Jersey to Miami.

No one but you thinks that is a good idea. People barely give a crap about Miami vs VT or GT as it is so how are they going to get excited about Miami vs Rutgers, Minnesota, Iowa or whatever. Their fans will lose interest.

What you are proposing won’t work and would be a nightmare of lawsuits to unwind. Only a complete idiot would go down that path and the B1G presidents will absolutely kill that process.

You’re not thinking clearly and we need to hold an intervention.
 
ericd7633 said:
I'm not saying they aren't ever going to expand, it just won't be as early as you're making it out to be IMO. And ND will be the one that gets the ball rolling IMO, if they join. Which they won't anytime soon, once the NBC deal is done.
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I guess we will find out. I think this happens by late 2023. ND could get the ball rolling, I’ve said from the beginning that the Big Tens ideal move is ND, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. I’d be shocked if we start the 2024 season the Big Ten hasn’t at least announced its intention of going to 20
 
duckboy33 said:
they’re not going to. Escalation clause

Remember that adding more inventory will increase the overall value of the current contract, ESPNs payment isn’t the only one that’s going to be added. The escalation language has made it Very clear that expansion is coming and soon. If you disagree, that’s fine. We will all see it play out over the next 15 months, if not sooner
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If you add Cal and GT and force the networks to pay equal money for them it’s going to get ugly next negotiation cycle. If you think people are going to watch Cal and GT play B1G conference games then your delusional. You’ll dilute the ratings and the brand.
 
duckboy33 said:
UVA definitely has its merits. They will end up in the SEC or the Big Ten IMO. If the SEC does go UNC, UVA, Clemson and FSU, the Big Ten likely goes Miami, GT, Duke and Virginia Tech. That’s a clear SEC win if that’s how it goes down
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I didn't realize it until this year but UNC vs. UVA is one of the longest played series in College Football History and is the most played series in the Southeastern United States.

In the dark ages, UNC and UVA were very heavily tied to SEC schools. Tennessee used to play teams in North Carolina a lot until the 1950s or 1960s. UNC, UVA, Vandy, Alabama, and Tennessee were the five schools responsible for even setting up leagues in the South originally with the SIACC in the 1890s. All were also founding members of the Southern Conference.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I don’t think that is what the B1G is doing. They are grabbing the biggest brands they can that generate ratings and revenue. USC was a no brainer and grabbing UCLA also so that the B1G owned the state of California in ratings and in recruiting made sense.

What you are talking about doesn’t make sense and from quotes I posted in this thread it appears the networks who are paying out the money don’t think so either.

You’re dreaming of a mega conference that goes from LA to New Jersey to Miami.

No one but you thinks that is a good idea. People barely give a crap about Miami vs VT or GT as it is so how are they going to get excited about Miami vs Rutgers, Minnesota, Iowa or whatever. Their fans will lose interest.

What you are proposing won’t work and would be a nightmare of lawsuits to unwind. Only a complete idiot would go down that path and the B1G presidents will absolutely kill that process.

You’re not thinking clearly and we need to hold an intervention.
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I'm done discussing it with you because I'm not going to get into the insult game. But I'll point you in the right direction if you're actually interested in the topic and not just trolling. Here are some of the most informed people in college sports discussing it





 
UVA would be a better get for the SEC than Miami. They would get a boost being in the SEC and maybe then can compete with some of it's high ranking prospects.. Feels like most of the top kids head towards BiG schools in the DMV (Thank MD?)

Solid in basketball and baseball.. and who knows? Every school is one coach away. There was a reason why Mack was trying to get this job before convincing UNC to give him a shot
 
duckboy33 said:
I'm done discussing it with you because I'm not going to get into the insult game. But I'll point you in the right direction if you're actually interested in the topic and not just trolling. Here are some of the most informed people in college sports discussing it





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Most of that is clickbait because Miami and FSU can't go anywhere until 2036. If they could FSU and Clemson would be in the SEC right now because both of them have already submitted requests to join after TX and OU. If there was a way out of the GOR they would have jumped ship and no way the SEC turns down the opportunity to add TX, OU, Clemson and FSU as that would have broken the internet.

Cal is a complete joke and I'll laugh my ass off if the B1G takes them.

Stanford would be added if ND joined and wanted them.

I believe you and Washington have a shot but the path to get there is fuzzy and seems dependent on other factors or it would have happened already. I honestly have no idea what gets that trigger pulled other than ND coming on board the B1G decides to take 3 PAC teams with them. I guess other factors could exist but it doesn't include building a national conference of 30 teams.
 
What if the BIG nabbed Stanford, Cal, Washington and …Kansas?
 


IMO this is old information. Timing of the leak is interesting
 
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