Interesting article on no more expansion ...

[Wild Turkey]

I am in agreement. I think that is a nice slot to feel but it likely isn't a ratings killer and ESPN could just run GameDay reruns or a Mountain West game and not lose that much $$.

It might get attention if a team is ranked in the top 5-10 but that is a dice roll.

ESPN's profits won't be made or broken based on feeling a midnight slot.

It ain't like the other PAC teams are going anywhere and you can easily replace the games with Washington State vs Boise State. Give Wyoming a shot in that slot they are fun to watch. We just want entertainment and to keep the buzz going because football Saturdays are the closest thing to a hall pass we get.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I’m glad you’ll be willing to own it if you’re wrong because I will revisit this thread and take a victory lap

I'll put you on my shoulders.

Like I said it just makes the competition for the teams I want that much less and adds additional strain and problems to the second-best conference. It's a win-win for me.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I am in agreement. I think that is a nice slot to feel but it likely isn't a ratings killer and ESPN could just run GameDay reruns or a Mountain West game and not lose that much $$.

It might get attention if a team is ranked in the top 5-10 but that is a dice roll.

ESPN's profits won't be made or broken based on feeling a midnight slot.

Let's face it everyone is going to be watching games like Alabama vs Ole Miss or Texas vs Arkansas that will kick at 8pm until about 11:30 anyway. Most of us only turn on the game to see what is happening and its fun we stay up.

 

[duckboy33]

I'll put you on my shoulders.

Like I said it just makes the competition for the teams I want that much less and adds additional strain and problems to the second-best conference. It's a win-win for me.

SEC is going to get their pick of 4 from the ACC. I don’t think it really matters what the Big Ten does. And after thinking more about it, I think you’re right about UVA. UVA, UNC, Clemson and FSU is probably gonna be the move.

Big Ten picks up ND, GT, Miami and VT to get to 24. Then I think we are done

 

[Wild Turkey]

SEC is going to get their pick of 4 from the ACC. I don’t think it really matters what the Big Ten does. And after thinking more about it, I think you’re right about UVA. UVA, UNC, Clemson and FSU is probably gonna be the move.

Big Ten picks up ND, GT, Miami and VT to get to 24. Then I think we are done

If that truly is the way it goes it will be ND, Duke, Miami and VT. GT gives you nothing because the state is owned by SEC/ACC teams and the B1G is going to compete with Georgia, Auburn, Alabama and Clemson for Georgia kids. That state is locked down.

They would take Duke to get a footprint in NC and there would be a huge argument that adding UCLA and Duke make the B1G the premier basketball conference. In fact I don't think a credible argument can be made otherwise.

I would just be shocked if what you proposed happened.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We will see. I’ve laid out the timeline and what will happen. If I’m wrong, I’ll be here and own it.

Not sure anyone else will do the same

You could be totally right. My point is that there aren't any facts to support it like you are saying there are. You are tying a bunch of interviews together, taking their most optimistic meaning, and stating as fact this is going to happen it's just a matter of time.

I mean, those 4 teams to the B1G is a scenario that has been discussed from the day USC and UCLA made their announcement. And it's gone back and forth - yes they are going to do it, not they aren't. So, sure, it's a possibility but no one had on their bingo card that the 4 teams would go to the B1G for non-football and financial reasons, which is what is now being discussed.

I really don't care ... doesn't affect me at all.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'll own it and I'll be happy for you. Every slot a PAC team takes is one that the SEC gets to cherry-pick from the ACC so go Ducks.

I just think you're nuts promoting that the B1G is going to form this massive coast-to-coast league and break it up into separate divisions just under the B1G brand. NO ONE is even suggesting that as a possibility but you.

Oregon needs to be super careful because if they play their cards too hard and for too long it will sink the PAC. No way other schools are going to stick around without a long-term commitment from Oregon and Washington and once one school bolts chaos will follow and the league is done. At that point, you either get in the B1G or join the Big 12 under THEIR terms and sign THEIR GOR. You literally will have zero leverage. The longer this goes on without a signed GOR the more nervous the other schools are going to get.

Remember Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah have no shot at the B1G and there is no PAC if you guys don't commit fully so they have no reason to wait on you. The shit is getting real and the stakes are high.

A lot of truth here. The more the 4 teams flirt with the B1G, the more reason the other 4 have to discuss their future with the B12. And if you then get shut out of the B1G you are totally screwed.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

SEC is going to get their pick of 4 from the ACC. I don’t think it really matters what the Big Ten does. And after thinking more about it, I think you’re right about UVA. UVA, UNC, Clemson and FSU is probably gonna be the move.

Big Ten picks up ND, GT, Miami and VT to get to 24. Then I think we are done

This is delusional. The B1G doesn't want VT and GT. ND, of course. You don't broker the largest contracts ever in CFB and then give away the money you just made.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We will see. I’ve laid out the timeline and what will happen. If I’m wrong, I’ll be here and own it.

Not sure anyone else will do the same

What is there to own? Hell, anything could happen. The point I've been making is you are guessing out of your ass, but stating it like it's fact. For your sake, I hope you are right. You guys are in the most precarious position of everyone.

 

[Wild Turkey]

A lot of truth here. The more the 4 teams flirt with the B1G, the more reason the other 4 have to discuss their future with the B12. And if you then get shut out of the B1G you are totally screwed.

Oregon and Washington won’t get shut out of the Big 12 but they won’t have any leverage if other schools jump first.

I 100% do not blame either for trying everything they can to get the B1G invite but when a network deal for the PAC is proposed they will have to sign long term GORs or the PAC is done. No network is risk a deal without those schools and the other PAC schools aren’t going to live with instability.

Clock is ticking.

 

[duckboy33]

This is delusional. The B1G doesn't want VT and GT. ND, of course. You don't broker the largest contracts ever in CFB and then give away the money you just made.

The Big Ten has had interest in GT before. Further expansion into the southeast is something I fully expect. But admittedly, this is much further down the road.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The Big Ten has had interest in GT before. Further expansion into the southeast is something I fully expect. But admittedly, this is much further down the road.

I beg the B1G to take Tech. Talk about a self-own.

 

[duckboy33]

What is there to own? Hell, anything could happen. The point I've been making is you are guessing out of your ass, but stating it like it's fact. For your sake, I hope you are right. You guys are in the most precarious position of everyone.

It's not really important if you agree about my prediction. It's just my reading of the information. If you have a different take, let's hear it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

It's not really important if you agree about my prediction. It's just my reading of the information. If you have a different take, let's hear it.

Read everything I've written above. And I agree, we can agree to disagree.

 

[duckboy33]

Read everything I've written above. And I agree, we can agree to disagree.

Fair enough. But fully expect me to bump this when the Big Ten expands with the teams I said they are targeting, in the time frame that I said it would happen.

If I'm wrong, feel free to do the same.

 

[outofyourmind]

This is delusional. The B1G doesn't want VT and GT. ND, of course. You don't broker the largest contracts ever in CFB and then give away the money you just made.

I'm leaning towards this

 

[NU_WTF?]

Big Ten picks up ND, GT, Miami and VT to get to 24. Then I think we are done

The writing is on the wall, you've been done you had a "great" run when USC was sanctioned..... its over, move on

 

[CoalTrain]

Kansas could be a possibility as well.

Kansas Football screws them. It you just merge Kansas and Kansas State into a single school and they would have likely been picked up in the last wave of realignment. KSU football combined with Kansas Basketball would be attractive.

It is kind of like the Arizonas. The fact that they are two schools instead of a single fanbase and program hurts their chances.

I know that KU has been mentioned as a target of the BIG before due to their AAU status and basketball but I don’t think many people took it seriously. I know most of the talk now is about the PAC schools being in the crosshairs and rightfully so but I’m not so sure that the Big12 is out of the woods yet either.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I know that KU has been mentioned as a target of the BIG before due to their AAU status and basketball but I don’t think many people took it seriously. I know most of the talk now is about the PAC schools being in the crosshairs and rightfully so but I’m not so sure that the Big12 is out of the woods yet either.

Nobody is poaching Big 12 teams. Kansas has one positive and multiple negatives so they are home.

 

[Wizardhawk]

I think you are grossly overrating the value of the midnight slot.

Even if you aren't do you really want all your home games to kick off at 10:30 pm Eastern? How long before Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and practically everyone that isn't west coast says fuck this?

The fun of PAC at Night is Washington State beating USC or Oregon State beating you guys because you had to play at their house and that's the only way they get on TV. You want 80 point games and crazy shit not Ohio State skull fucking Cal. Everyone is going to bed at that point.

I don't think USC v OSU is put in the late slot. That stands up well against the other games at the normal times.

The after dark isn't the only reason the conferences are looking at west coast teams. I said it's the networks that like that angle. The question about expanding and having more teams to split the pie with was talked about up here and the added inventory for later slots adds value for expanding TV revenue beyond what their name power alone is. That was the only point.