Frost fired

trojanfan12 said:
lol

The right coach changes much of that. How many top level players do you think are choosing Bama without Nick Saban?

Sure, some schools have some built in advantages over other schools, but end of the day, the top recruits are choosing programs that they believe will get them to the NFL. So if they believe going to Nebraska will get them there, they'll go to Nebraska. Guys like Mark Stoops, Matt Rhule, etc. have that, Scott Frost didn't.

I don't know if someone like Stoops or Rhule could get them all the way back to what they were, but I'd bet they can get close enough to at least have them competing for the B1G title most years.
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Again -- this isn't rocket science. College football, especially recruiting, is all about location.

Do you think Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma because USC is a better program? HELL NO. He left because USC is located in talent rich California, where he was pulling many elite recruits to go to OU. Now his life was 1000% easier, because those kids will essentially be locks to sign with USC now.

Same with Brian Kelly. Do you think he left ND because he couldn't wait to go live in Louisiana? He left because Louisiana is a talent rich state and instead of having to try and convince essentially his entire class to come to ND -- he now has a built in group of 5-10 elite recruits a year from his own backyard.

Nebraska has zero in state talent. They have no talent in surrounding states. They have no national rivalry games anymore. They now play in the Midwest in the B1G. If an elite player wants to play at a B1G school, outside of those who choose OSU, they are doing so because of elite academics. Nebraska has the worst academics in the B1G.

Coaches know this, coaches aren't dumb. Why do you think Nebraska has hired so many coaches in the past 20 years, yet never an elite big name coach? I will give you a hint -- it is because they have zero elite recruits who grow up as huge Nebraska fans dreaming of going to their school, because they have zero elite recruits in state or in surrounding states.

It is an impossible job for any coach right now. Nebraska fans think it is the 80's and 90's, when there was no social media, no national camps for high school kids, very little recruiting rankings, most teams didn't even have a strength and conditioning program, let alone a strength and conditioning coach.

I have nothing against Nebraska. They have some of, if not, the nicest fans i've met at Michigan games. They are at such an enormous disadvantage to every other big program with their location, not only the campus, but even their conference and division too -- no coach is overcoming that. They have nothing to sell recruits on, the recruits couldn't get 10 fold elsewhere.
 
^^ lol more insecurity walls of text. these scUM fans love to hate Nebraska.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Again -- this isn't rocket science. College football, especially recruiting, is all about location.

Do you think Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma because USC is a better program? HELL NO. He left because USC is located in talent rich California, where he was pulling many elite recruits to go to OU. Now his life was 1000% easier, because those kids will essentially be locks to sign with USC now.

Same with Brian Kelly. Do you think he left ND because he couldn't wait to go live in Louisiana? He left because Louisiana is a talent rich state and instead of having to try and convince essentially his entire class to come to ND -- he now has a built in group of 5-10 elite recruits a year from his own backyard.
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I just stopped there. You’re completely disregarding the whole massive contract aspect. It’s all about money. Throw enough money at a good coach and they’ll go anywhere.
 
NU_WTF? said:
Michigan State has never been on par with Nebraska. Michigan State is not a blueblood. Michigan state has no Name recognition remotely close to Nebraska.

More derp out of Michigan thinking they are special. You all crack me up
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Michigan State has been better than Nebraska for 20 years. And what name recognition does Nebraska have to 16, 17, 18 year old kids?

Are you going to sell them on your big rivalry games against.....Wisconsin and Iowa?
Are you going to sell them on your academics?
Are you going to sell them on living in the middle of nowhere?

What are you selling them on?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan State has been better than Nebraska for 20 years. And what name recognition does Nebraska have to 16, 17, 18 year old kids?

Are you going to sell them on your big rivalry games against.....Wisconsin and Iowa?
Are you going to sell them on your academics?
Are you going to sell them on living in the middle of nowhere?

What are you selling them on?
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No they havent. ill give you the past 8 years but not even close on 20.

You're so insecure, keep it up you're amusing me :D
 
DayButtAssMans’s said:
I just stopped there. You’re completely disregarding the whole massive contract aspect. It’s all about money. Throw enough money at a good coach and they’ll go anywhere.
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But they won't. Louisiana is a talent rich state. That's why Brian Kelly left. California is a talent rich state. That's why Lincoln Riley left.

Mel Tucker is the closest guy out there to the "massive contract aspect". MSU had a booster say they will give him 90 million.

The elite coaches are going to get paid at the top schools located in the top recruiting states. Or are you saying Nebraska over their past 5 coaches didn't want an elite coach and settled on who they hired?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I think a lot of top players are choosing Alabama without nick saban still...look how many kids still picked Mich, USC or Texas during all their coaching flailings. Nebraska hasn't been able to recruit well in the entirety of the recruiting rank era. I'm not sure they've had a single top 10 class, maybe 1? I think their peak now days is that of a Wisconsin, which I think Pelini had them at. Although, who knows in the era of NIL. If Nebraska alumni can pony up some corn money, they might be able to get into it. But it starts and ends with recruiting and so far in the last two decades they haven't even been close to other programs.
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How great were Bama's recruiting classes when Mike Shula was coaching them?

Blue blood programs are pretty much never going to have completely empty cupboards because of name recognition. Nebraska is no different. Plus, as I mentioned, the transfer portal is a good way to add talent quickly.
 
trojanfan12 said:
How great were Bama's recruiting classes when Mike Shula was coaching them?

Blue blood programs are pretty much never going to have completely empty cupboards because of name recognition. Nebraska is no different. Plus, as I mentioned, the transfer portal is a good way to add talent quickly.
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This. and we have boosters who are willing to pay for a winning team(NIL)/coach
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
But they won't. Louisiana is a talent rich state. That's why Brian Kelly left. California is a talent rich state. That's why Lincoln Riley left.
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Nah. Neither had, or should have had, any trouble getting talent to where they were. Maybe they personally liked the locations better. But no coach is bailing on Oklahoma or Notre Dame because “if only we had more talent in state.”

You’re silly.
 
NU_WTF? said:
No they havent. ill give you the past 8 years but not even close on 20.

You're so insecure, keep it up you're amusing me :D
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Michigan State has 151 wins in the last 20 years. Including 5 years with 11 wins.
Nebraska has 140 wins in the last 20 years. Including 0 years with 11 wins.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I have nothing against Nebraska. They have some of, if not, the nicest fans i've met at Michigan games. They are at such an enormous disadvantage to every other big program with their location, not only the campus, but even their conference and division too -- no coach is overcoming that. They have nothing to sell recruits on, the recruits couldn't get 10 fold elsewhere.
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Can't get a Runza 10 fold somewhere else. Literally.
 
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DayButtAssMans’s said:
Nah. Neither had, or should have had, any trouble getting talent to where they were. Maybe they personally liked the locations better. But no coach is bailing on Oklahoma or Notre Dame because “if only we had more talent in state.”

You’re silly.
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WITHOUT A DOUBT. You don't think Oklahoma or Notre Dame had the money to pay those coaches? They left because of LOCATION.

It is rocket science. Do you truly think it is just a coincidence that the elite programs in CFB just so happen to be located in or in Clemson's case, right on the border of talent rich states? Mind blowing to me how people don't get this.

Same reason Saban left Michigan State in the middle of the night to go to LSU. Same reason Mario Cristobal left Oregon to go to Miami. Same reason the coach before him left Oregon to go to Florida State.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Stopped reading here because you're wrong. It's as much about "who can get me to the NFL" as anything.
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The elite schools in talent rich states ARE the schools putting kids into the NFL.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The elite schools in talent rich states ARE the schools putting kids into the NFL.
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Yea cuz NFL scouts go "hey you're from Michigan and playing for Michigan, you get to go to the NFL cuz of that" derp
 
NU_WTF? said:
Its always been about getting to the NFL
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Exactly. UCLA sits smack dab in the middle of the exact same rich recruiting grounds as USC, but can't really even get all that close to the same level of recruiting as USC because everyone in the area knows...you want to go to the NFL...you choose USC. You want to go to the NBA...you choose UCLA.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Exactly. UCLA sits smack dab in the middle of the exact same rich recruiting grounds as USC, but can't really even get all that close to the same level of recruiting as USC because everyone in the area knows...you want to go to the NFL...you choose USC. You want to go to the NBA...you choose UCLA.
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Blue bloods amirite
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The elite schools in talent rich states ARE the schools putting kids into the NFL.
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UCLA sits in the same recruiting grounds as USC and are in a nicer part of the city. Why don't they get the recruits USC does?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It is rocket science. Do you truly think it is just a coincidence that the elite programs in CFB just so happen to be located in or in Clemson's case, right on the border of talent rich states?
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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You don't think Oklahoma had the money to pay those coaches? They left because of LOCATION.
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Geography isn't your friend, is it.
 
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