Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

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  • Nebraska

    Votes: 29 63.0%

  • Arizona State

    Votes: 17 37.0%
  • Total voters
    46
fishinabarrel said:
Um, ten of Ohio States twenty person class is from the south for 2022. 10 of their 20 commits from 2023 are also from the south plus a Maryland in betweener. If you are good, kids will come play for you
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I would argue that tOSU is the exception to the rule. It's why you guys are the best in the B1G year in and year out.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
And I chose the top 7 because your argument was you had to recruit the south if you wanted elite OL -- 4 of the top 7 schools for putting players into the NFL are from the Midwest. So it blows up your entire argument.
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Don't be silly. It doesn't and we know why you did it. Just stop.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Exactly what states are you including in the "the south"? You put Texas as if Texas is part of the South. It is the Southwest. Or are you saying California is part of the Midwest, because they are in the West. Same with Oklahoma, same with Arizona. Or are you just inheriting all those states now and calling them the South?
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Hey, over here ... yeah, pay attention. What are we talking about? Southern players not wanting to go north, in particular, due to the weather. What do Texas, SoCal, Oklahoma and Az have in common? In general better weather. And, yes, I know it gets cold in Oklahoma and Texas, but not witches tit cold like in Michigan, Wisky, Iowa, and Nebraska.

Pay attention and respond to the rest. Even if I conceded the few states you mention, you know the rest to be true. Facts are a bitch, aren't they? Or you can just ignore them.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Hey, over here ... yeah, pay attention. What are we talking about? Southern players not wanting to go north, in particular, due to the weather. What do Texas, SoCal, Oklahoma and Az have in common? In general better weather. And, yes, I know it gets cold in Oklahoma and Texas, but not witches tit cold like in Michigan, Wisky, Iowa, and Nebraska.

Pay attention and respond to the rest. Even if I conceded the few states you mention, you know the rest to be true. Facts are a bitch, aren't they? Or you can just ignore them.
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You mean like facts that 4 of the top 7 schools to put the most OL into the NFL are in the Midwest?!?! How is that possible?

Only 16 of the top 50 OL recruits are from the South in 2023. See what happens when you remove all the "south states" that aren't in the South.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Because the definition of blue blood doesn't mean you are currently elite. Blue blood status, by definition, is based on past success.

Outside of college sports, the term blue blood is often, maybe most often, used to describe families who were once wealthy, prominent, and influential, and no longer are. Like the Vanderbilts.

I dated a gal at and after Vandy for 4 years. The family was totally blue blood. There are counties, towns, and universities named after the family, and they were members of all the great clubs in Atlanta. She was a debutant at one of the most exclusive clubs in the south. Yet, the family didn't have a tenth of the wealth they had 50 - 100 years ago.

That's why Nebraska is a blue blood, and Miami, FSU, and Clemson are not. To keep our comparisons going, they would be deemed nouveau riche. UGA is kind of a tweener - most people don't see them as a blue blood (I don't), but they have 3 NCs, including one way back in the 40s.
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So they're dead from all the years of inbreeding, is that the takeaway?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Don't be silly. It doesn't and we know why you did it. Just stop.
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You said teams had to recruit the south to get elite offensive line -- an elite offensive line would mean putting OL into the NFL. You also stated -- Midwest schools weren't going to get OL to commit to play in the North (i.e. the Midwest), yet 4 of the top 7 schools to put OL into the NFL are located where....................?

Explain how that is possible using your logic? Using your logic -- the entire top 10 should be schools from the South with maybe an exception or two. Instead -- it is the Midwest school putting the most OL into the NFL.
 
ASU is not in the same universe as Nebraska. Not close.

There are many real disadvantages for Nebraska, they are all moot when compared to ASU.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
In other words, I can't refute what you posted. Got it.
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I just did refute your silliness. 16 of 50 are actually from the South. You arbitrarily picked up states from all over the US and included them as part of "The South", which is how you got to your 31 of 50 number, which is non-sense.
 
ASU is a zoo , really!!

 
wazzu31 said:
I wasn't meaning Nebraska. Was just replying to the Oline and Dline. And how worse really is the weather in Nebraska vs Michigan, Indiana or Ohio for an Islander. Let alone Utah.
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IMHO, the real difference is defensive lineman. OL can be “groomed” a little over time. There just ain’t enough real good DL ti go around. And they are concentrated in the south. No doubt about it.
 
Deep Creek said:
IMHO, the real difference is defensive lineman. OL can be “groomed” a little over time. There just ain’t enough real good DL ti go around. And they are concentrated in the south. No doubt about it.
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That is exactly what I said -- skill position talent, the south dominates. DL, the south dominates.

OL can come from any and every state. The farm boys in the Midwest are big boys and they are country strong. It is why you see schools like Wisconsin churning out a ton of OL recruits. It is why you see so many in the Midwest.

Now if you need a big boy that can also run -- you go to the south.
 
fishinabarrel said:
What's different about Ohio State compared to any other northern school?
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It’s obvious … you win every year, you are a cool school to go to, you win NCs, get into the CFP often. I mean, I have to explain this to an OSU fan? You tell me … why do you have top ranked classes and draw great players from the south and most other northern school struggles with that?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just did refute your silliness. 16 of 50 are actually from the South. You arbitrarily picked up states from all over the US and included them as part of "The South", which is how you got to your 31 of 50 number, which is non-sense.
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Lol. Ok. SMH.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Lol. Ok. SMH.
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Are you saying now that you didn't say 31 of 50 were from the south? I can go find the quote for you. Here you go.


WhosYourDawggy said:
31 of the top 50 are from the south.
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Now it is your turn -- list the 31 from the south. I mean you went as far as to argue 62% of OL come from states in the South. So let's see the 31. I will give you a little help -- Francis Mauioga (sp) that plays for IMG, he was born in American Samoa lived in California for 15 years before transferring to IMG to play HS football, so he isn't one of the 31.
 
People act like it is impossible for Nebraska to win another national title. I don't think it is impossible, it is just very unlikely. The best way for Nebraska to come back would be to mimic a Wisconsin and start winning B1G division titles and having 5-6 straight years of winning B1G West and finish in top 10-15. If they did that, they could start landing better recruits from anywhere.

Put together that one team that can finally toppled Ohio State in B1G Championship, get to playoffs, and you never know.
 
Volbound1700 said:
People act like it is impossible for Nebraska to win another national title. I don't think it is impossible, it is just very unlikely. The best way for Nebraska to come back would be to mimic a Wisconsin and start winning B1G division titles and having 5-6 straight years of winning B1G West and finish in top 10-15. If they did that, they could start landing better recruits from anywhere.

Put together that one team that can finally toppled Ohio State in B1G Championship, get to playoffs, and you never know.
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Impossible, no. Nothing is impossible. The odds are astronomical though, as they will never be able to recruit like the Bama's, Georgia's, Ohio State's, etc. To put it in perspective -- Nebraska has signed two five star recruits in 22 years. Even if they start bringing in consistent top 15 classes -- it is still way behind those schools.

On top of that -- you no longer have to play one bowl game to win a title. You have to beat 2 elite programs and by the time Nebraska would ever make it to the CFP -- they'd now have to beat 3 teams who all will likely be more talented top to bottom to win a title.

Setting the goal of being competitive in the B1G West should be their goal. As it stands -- they have lost 8 in a row to Wiscy and 7 in a row to Iowa.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Are you saying now that you didn't say 31 of 50 were from the south? I can go find the quote for you. Here you go.



Now it is your turn -- list the 31 from the south. I mean you went as far as to argue 62% of OL come from states in the South. So let's see the 31. I will give you a little help -- Francis Mauioga (sp) that plays for IMG, he was born in American Samoa lived in California for 15 years before transferring to IMG to play HS football, so he isn't one of the 31.
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Let's keep in mind that what I was saying was that cold weather does matter because LOS - OL and DL are key to winning - and most come from the south. My original post was in response to a post dismissing the warm/cold issues so the relevancy of the south in my statement is the warm weather - I believe that a lot of these good LOS players aren't heading to the north partially because of weather.

Now, I admitted I can't prove it's the weather. And I don't think it's the only reason. Proximity to home, being closer to better teams in general also matter. But what I think I showed for sure is that more OL come from the south, and that there certainly is a trend for OL to move from north to south, and not the opposite - for the most part southern OL don't go north.

In defense of your position, you state that there are good OL at northern/midwestern schools. I never said that wasn't the case. Of course there are. But I clearly stated there aren't as many OL in the north and midwest, and I believe the numbers bear that out. For a team like Nebraska to recruit better at the LOS, they have to get OL from the south because there are a limited number of good ones from NE, and even the surrounding areas. And those that are there go to schools like tOSU, UM, PSU, Iowa, and ND. In most years, also Wisc, but evidently not this year.

You seem to be limiting the definition of south to the deep south. Because I was talking weather, I wasn't looking at it that way. So when looking at the top 50 OL in the 2023 class - a small sample size, I've stated that already - here is where I came up with.

- If you could read, you would see I had Francis Mauioga in the non-southern category. I get the idea that IMG is not the south and you need to look at their home town.

- I didn't include Pacific Islanders or Hawaii as south. I probably should have as I would imagine they would be more inclined to go to warmer schools.

- I didn't count Missouri or Virginia as southern schools. Virginia arguably could be, but I went the other way. Missouri I counted as a northern/midwestern school.

So, where did my numbers come from ...

In my post, I actually listed 20 that were non-south, but miscounted as 19:

Pacific Island, Iowa, Mass, Virginia, Ohio, Illinois, NJ, Penn, Utah, Conn, Maryland, DC, Michigan, and Hawaii. Again, for the purpose of discussing whether warm weather state recruits would go to cold weather schools, Pacific Island and Hawaii should actually be included in the other set of states.

For the southern, warm weather states, I included:
Louisiana, Tenn, NC, SC, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Texas, and Arizona. As I said, for a warm weather v. cold weather argument, Pacific Islander and Hawaii should be on this list, but I'll stick to my initial list.

Applying that to the top 50, it comes down to 30 on my southern/warm list, 20 on my northern/midwest/cold list.

You can agree or disagree with the lists, I don't care. I was one-off in my initial count. Sue me, I was in a hurry. It's still 60%/40%.

While that shows considerably more from the warm weather states, it's not the most important observation. What is important is in what direction the players are going. My theory is that warm-weather players don't go to cold states. Here is the breakdown:

20 cold weather OL, 12 are staying home (60%), and 8 are heading south (40%).
30 warm-weather OL, 24 are staying home (80%), 6 are heading north (20%). Of the 6, 4 are going ND or Northwestern (perhaps motivated by academics), one to MSU, and one to NE.

My point was that southern/warm weather OL do not go north. I believe I am correct. I've said I can't say to what level that is weather related, but my gut says it's a major reason.

At this point, I've explained it all I can. Don't care if you agree or not. Feel free to respond, I'm done with the argument as I've explained it the best I can.
 
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