Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

[Red_Alert]

I am going to bookmark this for 41 years and 1 day from 1997. It's already been 25 years for you guys, 41 is just around the corner.

Help yourself.

Nebraska fans aren't the one's parading themselves around here as being the real Alabama.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That Lincoln Riley got a $2.5 million/yr pay raise to go to USC played a huge role.

Now feel free to go and look at the taxes he will pay on his salary in California compared to the taxes he was paying in Oklahoma. Then tell me how much of a raise he really got? Then added in everything else included in cost of living.

2.5 million a year barely covers the extra taxes he will pay living in California. Max income tax in Oklahoma is 4.5 or 4.75%. California is 14% for his bracket.

 

[trojanfan12]

You've gotta get past the level of simpleton that WhoPhoneDis (et al) exhibit here on a daily basis.

That Lincoln Riley got a $2.5 million/yr pay raise to go to USC played a huge role.

Yep, that's why, imo, Nebraska should put together a list of top coaches, figure out the absolute most that they can/will pay and make them turn it down.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yep, that's why, imo, Nebraska should put together a list of top coaches, figure out the absolute most that they can/will pay and make them turn it down.

Outside of Saban, Meyer, Dabo, they're all a gamble.

Unless you're a Georgia fan or WhoPhoneDis trying to claim 7 natties since 2009. Then you'd have to put 7 yrs of Mark Richt and 6 years of Kirby Smart in there as elite coaches.

In the last 9 months I've learned Georgia is the real Alabama. We just didn't know it until last year.

 

[trojanfan12]

Outside of Saban, Meyer, Dabo, they're all a gamble.

Unless you're a Georgia fan or WhoPhoneDis trying to claim 7 natties since 2009. Then you'd have to put 7 yrs of Mark Richt and 6 years of Kirby Smart in there as elite coaches.

In the last 9 months I've learned Georgia is the real Alabama. We just didn't know it until last year.

Newphone is hilarious. The "lawjik" he's using doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. It actually proves the opposite.

Every "down time" in USC's history can be tied to the quality of coaches they had at the time. I'd be willing to wager that the same could be said for pretty much any top program.

Not every coach can handle the pressure that comes with a top program. That's why when they try hiring the "up and coming" G5 HC or coordinator, it usually doesn't work out.

Urban Meyer didn't just jump from Bowling Green to Florida and tOSU, he had to go to Utah in between.

Harbaugh went from the University of San Diego, to Stanford, to the NFL and then to Michigan and even then he didn't get Michigan to their current level until last year.

Bama was a mess before Saban came along.

Arguably, of all sports, both college and professional...college football is the sport where the coach has the greatest impact on winning.

That's why it is so important to get it right.

 

[Red_Alert]

Nebraska's program slid under Solich. There were two old ladies sitting in an Omaha church when Solich was in there doing a speech. Someone I know was sitting behind them and one turned to the other and asked "How does he recruit?" because he was stumbling all over his words. Dude just couldn't speak.
How many MAC titles did Solich win at Ohio in his 16 years there? Zero

Bill Callahan was a weird pick by an AD (Steve Pederson) who was trying to make his own Nebraska legacy.
Callahan hired his long time buddy Kevin Cosgrove as defensive coordinator. I remember Wisconsin fans thanking Nebraska for taking Cosgrove off their hands. Regarding their alignment, Chase Daniel said it was like playing a high school defense.
Pederson actually had all of the All-American portraits removed from the walls of the football complex. They were found in a storage closet after he was fired.

Bo Pelini was hired because he was a booster and fan favorite.

Mike Riley was hired by AD Shawn Eichorst. He was hired on a chance meeting when both were passing through the LA airport. No other coaches were even interviewed for the job. Eichorst had his man.

Scott Frost was a booster and fan favorite.

Was Urban Meyer a booster and fan favorite when the Florida AD took a chance on him out of G5's Bowling Green and Utah?
Was Nick Saban a booster and fan favorite when the LSU AD took a chance on him out of Michigan St?

The new Nebraska coach is going to be an interesting pick for Trev Alberts.

Booster and fan favorites aren't always the best route.

Where's Duffy Daugherty when you need him? <<< Very few will get that reference.

 

[Volbound1700]

Impossible, no. Nothing is impossible. The odds are astronomical though, as they will never be able to recruit like the Bama's, Georgia's, Ohio State's, etc. To put it in perspective -- Nebraska has signed two five star recruits in 22 years. Even if they start bringing in consistent top 15 classes -- it is still way behind those schools.

On top of that -- you no longer have to play one bowl game to win a title. You have to beat 2 elite programs and by the time Nebraska would ever make it to the CFP -- they'd now have to beat 3 teams who all will likely be more talented top to bottom to win a title.

Setting the goal of being competitive in the B1G West should be their goal. As it stands -- they have lost 8 in a row to Wiscy and 7 in a row to Iowa.

If Nebraska had multiple seasons of finishing in top 10 and winning 10-11 games, I think they could start to compete with the Alabamas, Georgias, etc. in recruiting. That is the key, they need to climb the ladder and it will take time.

 

[Red_Alert]

If Nebraska had multiple seasons of finishing in top 10 and winning 10-11 games, I think they could start to compete with the Alabamas, Georgias, etc. in recruiting. That is the key, they need to climb the ladder and it will take time.

Nebraska is and always has been a developmental program. They've never been plug and play the likes of Saban at Alabama now. Nebraska players spent years riding the pine until they got their chance to play as Jr's/Sr's.
Will Shields starting on the O-line as a true freshman was an anomaly.

Like the seasons following the disaster that was Bill Jennings, Nebraska needs a new Bob Devaney who can come in, put the pieces together, and get everybody lined up right.

They can get back to 9/10 wins relatively easily.

The likes of Oklahoma, USC, Alabama were Devaney's hurdle for years before he finally got over it.

 

[Tomhusker]

Nebraska won 72% of the games he coached. Won 4 bowl games. Not sure of the total number of ranked teams he beat, but he beat 4 ranked teams in the last 3 years he was there.

Blowout losses suck, but if you are recruiting like Nebraska does -- it is going to happen, especially if you have a recruiting class where you miss on the select few high ranked recruits you signed, which is going to happen (it happens to everyone).

What makes the elite teams elite -- they sign so many high ranked recruits -- they can have 2, 3, 4, 5 recruits in a class flop and still have a dominant recruiting class. Nebraska doesn't recruit like that.

And that's why his 9 wins a year weren't good enough. He hated the recruiting aspect, and put little effort into it.
9 wins are great if you only look at the number. He won most of the games that he should have. He beat a few teams that he maybe shouldn't have. He lost games he shouldn't have, by large margins in many games.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If Nebraska had multiple seasons of finishing in top 10 and winning 10-11 games, I think they could start to compete with the Alabamas, Georgias, etc. in recruiting. That is the key, they need to climb the ladder and it will take time.

Stop. Unless you are located in one of those states, you aren't recruiting like one of those schools.

Saban has averaged signing 2 five star recruits a year from the state of Alabama alone since he has coached there.

Georgia has signed 15 five star recruits from just the state of Georgia in the last 5 years.

If you don't have a state producing multiple five star and top 50/top 100 recruits to go with them each and every year -- you aren't going to recruit like those schools. A&M buying a class is the only exception.

I don't think people realize how big the gap is between a top 5 recruiting class and even a top 10 recruiting class.

 

[Volbound1700]

Nebraska is and always has been a developmental program. They've never been plug and play the likes of Saban at Alabama now. Nebraska players spent years riding the pine until they got their chance to play as Jr's/Sr's.
Will Shields starting on the O-line as a true freshman was an anomaly.

Like the seasons following the disaster that was Bill Jennings, Nebraska needs a new Bob Devaney who can come in, put the pieces together, and get everybody lined up right.

They can get back to 9/10 wins relatively easily.

The likes of Oklahoma, USC, Alabama were Devaney's hurdle for years before he finally got over it.

I agree. Development is not there either. IMO, you guys should at the very least be on the level of Iowa and Wisconsin. If not, your coaching staff is failing.

 

[Volbound1700]

Stop. Unless you are located in one of those states, you aren't recruiting like one of those schools.

Saban has averaged signing 2 five star recruits a year from the state of Alabama alone since he has coached there.

Georgia has signed 15 five star recruits from just the state of Georgia in the last 5 years.

If you don't have a state producing multiple five star and top 50/top 100 recruits to go with them each and every year -- you aren't going to recruit like those schools. A&M buying a class is the only exception.

I don't think people realize how big the gap is between a top 5 recruiting class and even a top 10 recruiting class.

If you are ELITE and in top 10, you are going to get recruits. Tennessee did when we were good and now that Heupel has energy in the program, look at our current class.

You have to be competitive. If Nebraska gets back to being competitive, they will get good classes. Sure they are at a disadvantage but they can win.

Another issue is who you are recruiting against and what you can pitch to turn the table.

It is no surprise Tennessee started falling apart when Nick Saban and Mark Richt came along. Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee have historically recruiting the same areas (we also recruit against Clemson). We have lost a ton of talent to Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, etc. that might have chosen Tennessee if we had better coaching and Saban had not gone to Alabama.

 

[Red_Alert]

And that's why his 9 wins a year weren't good enough. He hated the recruiting aspect, and put little effort into it.
9 wins are great if you only look at the number. He won most of the games that he should have. He beat a few teams that he maybe shouldn't have. He lost games he shouldn't have, by large margins in many games.

Under Pelini I used to reference his recruiting classes as "Best of the Rest"

It was a handful of relatively good G5's, bottom feeder P5's, or Nebraska.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If you are ELITE and in top 10, you are going to get recruits. Tennessee did when we were good and now that Heupel has energy in the program, look at our current class.

You have to be competitive. If Nebraska gets back to being competitive, they will get good classes. Sure they are at a disadvantage but they can win.

Another issue is who you are recruiting against and what you can pitch to turn the table.

It is no surprise Tennessee started falling apart when Nick Saban and Mark Richt came along. Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee have historically recruiting the same areas (we also recruit against Clemson). We have lost a ton of talent to Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, etc. that might have chosen Tennessee if we had better coaching and Saban had not gone to Alabama.

Here is what people don't seem to grasp with recruiting. The difference between a top 5 recruiting class and a top 10 recruiting is huge.

The year Michigan signed AJ Henning, I think 2020 -- UM finished with the 9th ranked recruiting class. Henning was the highest ranked recruit we signed. Ohio State finished 5th in the country that year, so only 4 spots ahead of UM.
If AJ Henning (Michigan's highest ranked recruit) had signed with Ohio State -- he would have been the 10th or 11th highest ranked recruit they signed.

I will give you a 4 year stretch to show you the enormous difference. Michigan signs top 10 recruiting classes. Ohio State signs top 5 recruiting classes.
2019-2022 -- Ohio State signed 33 recruits ranked in the top 100 nationally.
2019-2022 -- Michigan signed 10 recruits ranked in the top 100 nationally.

That is an enormous gap. That is 6 top 100 recruits on average a year more OSU signs. That is why the gap between the elite programs and the rest of college football is so big.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Help yourself.

Nebraska fans aren't the one's parading themselves around here as being the real Alabama.

You've not seen me say we are the real Bama. To the contrary, whenever anyone pushes me in that direction, I post this gif:

I am not falling for that. I like what we are doing, but Bama is still Bama, and all roads to natties go through the gumps.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Outside of Saban, Meyer, Dabo, they're all a gamble.

Unless you're a Georgia fan or WhoPhoneDis trying to claim 7 natties since 2009. Then you'd have to put 7 yrs of Mark Richt and 6 years of Kirby Smart in there as elite coaches.

In the last 9 months I've learned Georgia is the real Alabama. We just didn't know it until last year.

Someone's getting a little salty, LOL. If you were recruiting and playing at the level we are, you'd be proud and loud. Candidly, I think I am kind of relaxed in my approach. I went through 41 years of hell, I know to enjoy it and that it can be fleeting.

 

[Red_Alert]

Someone's getting a little salty, LOL. If you were recruiting and playing at the level we are, you'd be proud and loud. Candidly, I think I am kind of relaxed in my approach. I went through 41 years of hell, I know to enjoy it and that it can be fleeting.

Have you been slapping WhoPhoneDis off the Bulldog nut sack?

It's he/she more than anyone else who's peddling the Georgia = Alabama for the last 13 years nonsense.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Have you been slapping WhoPhoneDis off the Bulldog nut sack?

It's he/she more than anyone else who's peddling the Georgia = Alabama for the last 13 years nonsense.

All I've said is Georgia is the only team with a chance to match the type of dominance Alabama has had, because of the ridiculous amount of in state talent they have to choose from each and every year.

They have a LOOOOOONG way to reach Bama status.

 

[Huskers4me]

Then you get fired. Their fans think they are a 11-12 win team.

Who?

Waiting for names but you can’t because you’re full of shit!

 

[Huskers4me]

Under Pelini I used to reference his recruiting classes as "Best of the Rest"

It was a handful of relatively good G5's, bottom feeder P5's, or Nebraska.

MAC quality recruits was said a lot back then.