Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

[Volbound1700]

You had the entire fanbase calling for Pelini to be fired for winning 9 games a season. So saying that Nebraska fans would accept 9 win seasons is a flat out lie.

At some point fans stop wanting National Prominence and just want respectability. I know from first-hand experience being a Tennessee fan with our Nebraska-like collapse.

I think we would be ecstatic to go 9-4 this season.

 

[PeoplesChicken]

During the 60's, 70's, 80's and some of the 90's -- The Midwest schools like ND, like Penn State, like Nebraska were powerhouse programs because...................the Midwest was where the majority of elite recruits were located, as the Midwest was where the majority of the people were. In those decades, it was power football, you ran the ball down people's throats. The big farm boys that you can get everywhere in the Midwest dominated the line of scrimmage.

As the population shifted from the Midwest during the industrial decline (mostly steel) and manufacturing decline -- the population shifted from the Midwest to the South/West, not just for employment, but nicer climates.

Here are a few examples.
Florida population in the 1960's was 4.9 million
Florida population in the 2020's is 21.5 million

Georgia population in the 1960's was 3.9 million
Georgia population in the 2020's is 10.7 million

Texas population in the 1960's was 9.5 million
Texas population in the 20202's is 29 million

California population in the 1960's was 15 million
California population in the 1960's is 39 million

To compare the growth in the Midwest -- If you added the population growth of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania over 50 years the 3 state combined have only went up just under 6 million.

Also -- as the game changed from 3 yards and a cloud of dust to spread offenses and speed at every position, it has pushed the Midwest further from epicenter of elite recruits. For every 1 elite skills position player from the Midwest -- the South will produce a dozen.

I will end it with this. If location doesn't matter -- is it just a coincidence that essentially every elite recruiting program is located in and around elite recruiting states? The only two who will recruit a top 10 class right now not located in or on the border of an elite state is Michigan and Notre Dame, the two Blue Bloods who are known for their academics, as well as their football.

Kudos to you for doing that research. I get it. However, I still maintain my theory that coaching is more attractive to recruits than location. While I completely agree with you that the majority of elite recruits come from the South and West, these players aren't staying there. Consider USC for example. During the 80's they were an elite program. The 90's not so much. Then Pete Carroll comes in and suddenly elite prospects are staying to play there. Not for the weather or the location but because a dynamic coach is attractive. Carroll leaves and USC backslides. There may likely be another resurgence now that Lincoln Riley is there but that only proves my point.

 

[trojanfan12]

It doesn't help that the Pac12 just cannot get fans out and doesn't have a big presence in the area. All of the time, I try to talk to people from West Coast about Pac12 and they have no clue what I am talking about. I think it is better with Oregon and Washington (not talked a lot with people from Arizona or Utah) but definitely in California and Colorado, there just isn't that much of a presence.

I had relatives that lived out there and they knew more about Alabama and Tennessee than they did the local Pac12 teams (in fact I had to explain the conference to them).

When you see pictures like the Rose Bowl from this Saturday, that just isn't a good sign for Pac12. The fact that a large number of people in California don't even know Pac12 exists is interesting.

(They do know the Pro teams though). Pac12 hasn't done a good job of selling itself to the community as an alternative to Chargers, Rams, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Dodgers, etc.

In Tennessee, the Grizzlies, Predators, Titans, and Vols can all work together. They don't play at the same time. In fact Tennessee's real competition is Alabama or other CFB programs.

A lot of this seems true.

I can't speak for other PAC schools, but the formula for USC to fill the Coliseum has always been pretty simple...Win.

When USC is winning, people will spend the money to attend games. If not, LA usually has at least a couple of professional teams that are winning.

The only team in LA that seems to be immune to this is the Dodgers. Seems like they can pencil 3 million plus every year whether they are good or not.

 

[huskers1217]

Yeah. It'd be hard to match what the G.O.A.T. has done.

However, it'd be relatively easy to match what Georgia has done in the last 13 years that has WhoPhoneDis slobbering on their nut sacks.

and now we can pretty much afford anything we want

 

[Volbound1700]

A lot of this seems true.

I can't speak for other PAC schools, but the formula for USC to fill the Coliseum has always been pretty simple...Win.

When USC is winning, people will spend the money to attend games. If not, LA usually has at least a couple of professional teams that are winning.

The only team in LA that seems to be immune to this is the Dodgers. Seems like they can pencil 3 million plus every year whether they are good or not.

I will say some exceptions that I noticed is some of the older basketball fans knew all about UCLA and John Wooden so there once was a following there and I agree that USC under Pete Carroll got attention. I have to almost remind people of that era though.

Definitely most people don't know about Cal and Stanford unless you talk about academics and UCLA (if known other than big public school) is John Wooden Basketball.

 

[rsw626]

Newphone is hilarious. The "lawjik" he's using doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. It actually proves the opposite.

Every "down time" in USC's history can be tied to the quality of coaches they had at the time. I'd be willing to wager that the same could be said for pretty much any top program.

Nebraska also had a series of woeful ADs that continually made bad choices. I swear Pederson went in with the specific agenda of destroying the program.

 

[huskers1217]

we gonna get more money than Bama

 

[Deep Creek]

And what I am saying is that isn’t true. There are plenty of recruits to go around unless you count Florida as Deep South. Texas, California and the LDS community more than are equal to the Deep South. Problem is the coaching out west and dedication to winning blows. The second anyone not named SC proves they are a decent coach they get poached because of money. David Shaw and Wittingham are the only consistent football guys on west coast. One is still a coach because he is an average at best coach who happens to have the right skin pigment and the other can’t ever recruit a FBS QB.

I guess we just disagree. There aren’t very many top notch DL in high schools “anywhere”. IMHO. And most (not all) of them are disproportionately congregated at colleges in the south. Teams need a lot of depth there. If the were spread out more evenly there would be more parity similar to the NFL. But, this is CFB. There isn’t a draft to more equalize talent and there isn’t going to be one.

I’ll use A’Shawn Robinson as an example. I saw him play for Fort Worth Arlington Heights at the regional basketball tournament here all four years he was in high school. He wasn’t just a big 6’6” lug. He was an athlete. Damn goodbasketball player with jumping ability in order to get that kind of weight in the air.watched a lot of high school football and basketball games the last 50 years and he’s the only one I’ve ever seen like that. ( I know there are others). He went to Bama and was one of about 8-10 just like him!!!

 

[Huskers4me]

You had the entire fanbase calling for Pelini to be fired for winning 9 games a season. So saying that Nebraska fans would accept 9 win seasons is a flat out lie.

Stupid answer is stupid. The fans still put their buts in seats during the down turn years unlike other B1G schools in Michigan that have a hard time selling out games when the losses pile up. Pelini’s firing was on Shawn Eichorst, not the fans.

 

[rsw626]

Stupid answer is stupid. The fans still put their buts in seats during the down turn years unlike other B1G schools in Michigan that have a hard time selling out games when the losses pile up. Pelini’s firing was on Shawn Eichorst, not the fans.

See my earlier post about also having bad ADs the last 20 years. Pederson was horrible, Osbourne tried but ended up retiring, Eichorst was bad, don't know enough about Moos. Let see how Trev does.

 

[Volbound1700]

I guess we just disagree. There aren’t very many top notch DL in high schools “anywhere”. IMHO. And most (not all) of them are disproportionately congregated at colleges in the south. Teams need a lot of depth there. If the were spread out more evenly there would be more parity similar to the NFL. But, this is CFB. There isn’t a draft to more equalize talent and there isn’t going to be one.

I’ll use A’Shawn Robinson as an example. I saw him play for Fort Worth Arlington Heights at the regional basketball tournament here all four years he was in high school. He wasn’t just a big 6’6” lug. He was an athlete. Damn goodbasketball player with jumping ability in order to get that kind of weight in the air.watched a lot of high school football and basketball games the last 50 years and he’s the only one I’ve ever seen like that. ( I know there are others). He went to Bama and was one of about 8-10 just like him!!!

This is where I agree. The Defensive Line position is a lot stronger in the South. That was the gap between the SEC and the rest of the nation. If you go back to 2006 until today, you can see the Defensive line wrecking non-SEC opponents at times. Defensive Lines out West are fast but smaller, Defensive lines up north are big but slower, SEC has both in its region.

I feel like other positions are more evenly spread out. (This also has slight impact on offensive line because of big/fast situation as well although it is less noticeable other than the fact that SEC offensive lines have better opportunity to hold up their defensive lines).

 

[7samurai13]

Stupid answer is stupid. The fans still put their buts in seats during the down turn years unlike other B1G schools in Michigan that have a hard time selling out games when the losses pile up. Pelini’s firing was on Shawn Eichorst, not the fans.

So you weren’t calling for him to be fired? Bull fucking shit.

 

[no matter]

You had the entire fanbase calling for Pelini to be fired for winning 9 games a season. So saying that Nebraska fans would accept 9 win seasons is a flat out lie.

Respectively, I presume when you say entire fan base, you mean something like 80%. Living in Omaha at the time, I can assure you that the entire fanbase was not on board with the firing. I'm not sure if you knew or recall this though, but after the Iowa game the year before he was fired he dared the AD to can him. Unfortunately Pelini yearned for some sort of stimulus to rage about and couldn't manage the fish bowl part of the job. His temper was the reason for his departure.

I can't speak for a "Nebraska fan base". Here's an example though where I would agree with your assessment of the fans. Many, seem to think Campbell is a bad hire. Why? A comparison of Mike Riley, and OSU to ISU. After looking more closely at the situation, Campbell has taken Iowa State to a bowl game every year other than his first season. Jesus, the golden boy couldn't do that in four attempts. What's even more impressive about Campbell though is Iowa State has been to a total of 18 bowl games the life of the program. They hadn't been for seven years prior to his arrival. Of those 18 bowl games, his teams have been responsible for almost a 1/3 of them. That's outstanding. But is a bowl game enough for a "Nebraska fan". Initially, sure, but let's be honest, at least short term (how will the conference align with new schools coming in), a functional Nebraska football program (not necessarily championship level) should be contending for the West, period. So, that should be about 9 wins. Will they want more? Of course, but hopefully the majority has grown some humility, and regardless, no one knows how the game will look with more playoff teams, and NIL.

*Adding more about Campbell ~ Iowa State has finished in top 25, 3 times. #9 was their highest ever, the CoVid year. They haven't won a conference title since 1913.

 

[osubuckeye89]

At this point it's Arizona State.

I think in the current time that would be a easier place to attract recruits to. The expectations also aren't as ridiculously high as Nebraska.

 

[no matter]

See my earlier post about also having bad ADs the last 20 years. Pederson was horrible, Osbourne tried but ended up retiring, Eichorst was bad, don't know enough about Moos. Let see how Trev does.

The part that I find fascinating in the article was his ability to get donations. Trev was a student athlete, but he also knows it isn't personal (ego), sometimes you have to put a dead dog down.

archive.ph

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Why is this thread constantly at the top of my feed? Wgas

 

[Fish]

Why is this thread constantly at the top of my feed? Wgas

Better than that Bedlam thread.

I keep thinking either
Odell Beckham is on life support
Soccer Beckham is on life support
A spice girl is on life support

 

[Knight&Day]

You had the entire fanbase calling for Pelini to be fired for winning 9 games a season. So saying that Nebraska fans would accept 9 win seasons is a flat out lie.

I mean, I get it.

It wasn’t long ago when Fighting Cornholio fans were constantly acting like spoiled rotten little shitheads who ya just wanted to beat the shit out of.

But Pelini was just a colossal asshole whose teams would almost always get exposed and embarrassed vs good teams. He couldn’t adjust and he wasn’t a good coach.

Not a huge blunder to get rid of him. Their next two hires were obvs blunders tho.

Cornholio fans would probably be elated with a 9 win season right now. Plus they’ve suffered enough imo.

 

[Deep Creek]

This is where I agree. The Defensive Line position is a lot stronger in the South. That was the gap between the SEC and the rest of the nation. If you go back to 2006 until today, you can see the Defensive line wrecking non-SEC opponents at times. Defensive Lines out West are fast but smaller, Defensive lines up north are big but slower, SEC has both in its region.

I feel like other positions are more evenly spread out. (This also has slight impact on offensive line because of big/fast situation as well although it is less noticeable other than the fact that SEC offensive lines have better opportunity to hold up their defensive lines).

We have plenty of QBs, RBs, WRs, LBs, DBs in Texas. ( although many of the DBs seem to suck at tackling.). And have quite a few OLs…except some need time to develop. What we don’t have an abundance of is DLs. And I don’t know why because I see a lot of big fat kids in elementary and junior high. Guess they’d rather play video games than get out in the heat and physically work.

 

[Red_Alert]

What the hell does A&M have to do with anything? If A&M ever stops losing 4-5 games a year -- it will mean something if they upset Bama.
Georgia had lost 7 in a row to Bama with 5 of the 7 being in the SECCG or the CFP, before beating them last year. Maybe since Nebraska hasn't played in conference championship game or hell, even a bowl game in forever -- they don't pay attention to what is going on in CFB elsewhere.

In finally beating Alabama last season, Georgia hadn't done anything that A&M hadn't already done. A&M had beaten Alabama twice since Georgia last beat them.
Not to mention Georgia beating Alabama was a rematch. Rematches tend to favor the team that lost the first game.

Do you know why Georgia's lost all those SECCG's to Alabama?

Because Georgia's had a relatively easy path getting to the SECCG out of the SEC East.
Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, Vanderbilt.

Gasparilla Bowl: (G5) UCF 29 (6-7) Florida 17
Music City Bowl: (9-4) Purdue 48 (7-6) Tennessee 45
Citrus Bowl: (10-3) Kentucky 20 (10-4) Iowa 17
Mayo Bowl: (7-6) South Carolina 38 (6-7) North Carolina 21
Armed Forces Bowl: (G5) Army 24 (6-7) Missouri 22
Vanderbilt: (2-10) No bowl

So SEC East was (2-3) in bowl games with two losses to G5 opponents.

Even Missouri's won the SEC East twice in the last 10 years.

All things have gone through Saban/Alabama in the SEC and in CFB in general. Since Georgia beat them once in 14 years (in a rematch) you're all over UGA's nut sack.
That makes you a simpleton.