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fordman84 said:
Because the rules in baseball is if a player intentionally drops a ball when IFR is called then the ump calls time and all existing runners are safe. So your question is dumb, so you are correct in your last statement. You are stupid.
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Nope. Letting it fall untouched to the ground is not “intentionally dropping” in baseball. Your ignorance isn’t an argument.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Nope. Letting it fall untouched to the ground is not “intentionally dropping” in baseball. Your ignorance isn’t an argument.
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It certainly is. IFR can only be called if it is reasonable the infielder will catch it. If it then hits the ground then it is considered intentional, and thus the batter is out and time is called.

Learn the rules before you try to change them, dumbass.
 
fordman84 said:
It certainly is. IFR can only be called if it is reasonable the infielder will catch it. If it then hits the ground then it is considered intentional, and thus the batter is out and time is called.

Learn the rules before you try to change them, dumbass.
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Lmao. Doubling down in your ignorance. Letting it fall untouched isn’t “dropping it.”
This is KNOWN stuff.
That’s why on pop ups with a fast runner on 1st base, a middle infielder sometimes will let it fall untouched and get the out at second. Again, your ignorance isn’t an argument. And you doubling down on it when you’ve been educated is laughable.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Lmao. Doubling down in your ignorance. Letting it fall untouched isn’t “dropping it.”
This is KNOWN stuff.
That’s why on pop ups with a fast runner on 1st base, a middle infielder sometimes will let it fall untouched and get the out at second. Again, your ignorance isn’t an argument. And you doubling down on it when you’ve been educated is laughable.
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runner on 1B isn't infield fly rule. Have to have a force at 3B.

Like I said, learn the rules before you try to change them dumbass.
 
fordman84 said:
runner on 1B isn't infield fly rule.
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Right. That has nothing to do with the fact that if you let it fall untouched, it’s not “intentional dropping.”
 
ELTEXAN said:
Right. That has nothing to do with the fact that if you let it fall untouched, it’s not “intentional dropping.”
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You specifically asked about infield fly rule. Now you are only talking about a runner on 1st.
 
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INFIELDER INTENTIONALLY DROPS FLY BALL OR LINE DRIVE - Baseball Rules Academy

Rule 5.09(a)(12): Under Official Baseball Rule 5.09(a)(12), the batter is out, the ball is dead, and runner(s) return to their original base(s) when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive with runners on first, first and second, first and third, or bases loaded (with less...
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INFIELDER INTENTIONALLY DROPS FLY BALL OR LINE DRIVE​

Rule 5.09(a)(12):

Under Official Baseball Rule 5.09(a)(12), the batter is out, the ball is dead, and runner(s) return to their original base(s) when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive with runners on first, first and second, first and third, or bases loaded (with less than two out).

Note that the batter is not declared out in this situation if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

When an infielder deliberately drops a fair ball or a line drive to set up a double play situation, runners may safely return to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch. The same application shall be made if an outfielder has come so close to the infield to set up a double play situation if he intentionally drops the ball.

Runners cannot advance under this rule. Umpires shall immediately call “Time,” when, in their judgment, the ball is intentionally dropped.




There you go @ELTEXAN make sure you read it all. You are welcome and I accept your apology for being flat out wrong.
 
fordman84 said:
baseballrulesacademy.com

INFIELDER INTENTIONALLY DROPS FLY BALL OR LINE DRIVE - Baseball Rules Academy

Rule 5.09(a)(12): Under Official Baseball Rule 5.09(a)(12), the batter is out, the ball is dead, and runner(s) return to their original base(s) when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive with runners on first, first and second, first and third, or bases loaded (with less...
baseballrulesacademy.com baseballrulesacademy.com

INFIELDER INTENTIONALLY DROPS FLY BALL OR LINE DRIVE​

Rule 5.09(a)(12):

Under Official Baseball Rule 5.09(a)(12), the batter is out, the ball is dead, and runner(s) return to their original base(s) when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive with runners on first, first and second, first and third, or bases loaded (with less than two out).

Note that the batter is not declared out in this situation if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

When an infielder deliberately drops a fair ball or a line drive to set up a double play situation, runners may safely return to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch. The same application shall be made if an outfielder has come so close to the infield to set up a double play situation if he intentionally drops the ball.

Runners cannot advance under this rule. Umpires shall immediately call “Time,” when, in their judgment, the ball is intentionally dropped.




There you go @ELTEXAN make sure you read it all. You are welcome and I accept your apology for being flat out wrong.
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Yes. The batter is not out in the situation of fielder letting it hit the ground untouched UNLESS it’s ifr. Then batter is out.

You can’t understand your own quotes. You can’t read.

The ball would still be live if dropped untouched whether ifr situation of not. Christ
 
fordman84 said:
Even if the player drops it, once IFR is called the batter is out and everyone is safe. Drop the ball and the play is dead. Only difference is you look like a moron dropping an easy fly ball.
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The batter is out the second an ump signals infield fly.

But the play is not dead. Runners can advance after the catch is made just as they can after any catch. By tagging up.
 
broncosmitty said:
The batter is out the second an ump signals infield fly.

But the play is not dead. Runners can advance after the catch is made just as they can after any catch. By tagging up.
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Or if the ball is let fall to the ground untouched, which is the point here
 
ELTEXAN said:
Or if the ball is let fall to the ground untouched, which is the point here
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Yeah, this was the only what if thread of yours where I’ve sided with you.

1 out of 200 times you might catch a guy daydreaming. You are more apt to screw your self by not making the play that doesn’t need to be made.

Frankie Lindor victimized himself once trying to be cute on an Infield Fly.

You would need to know a base runner is actively drunk or high to try this move imo.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Yes. The batter is not out in the situation of fielder letting it hit the ground untouched UNLESS it’s ifr. Then batter is out.

You can’t understand your own quotes. You can’t read.

The ball would still be live if dropped untouched whether ifr situation of not. Christ
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So you want to change the conversation, cool. I'm not interested. You wanted to change the rules around infield fly rules specifically.
And I posted the rules showing that during an IFR situation if the ball hits the ground it is dead. If you can't read then that's your issue.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Or if the ball is let fall to the ground untouched, which is the point here
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Jesus you are a fucking moron. What do you think the follow means?


Note that the batter is not declared out in this situation if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

The batter is out as soon as IFR is called. Nothing every changes that. The ball is dead the moment it hits the ground.
 
fordman84 said:
So you want to change the conversation, cool. I'm not interested. You wanted to change the rules around infield fly rules specifically.
And I posted the rules showing that during an IFR situation if the ball hits the ground it is dead. If you can't read then that's your issue.
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Nope. Not changing anything. If you let it fall untouched, the ball is live. You were mentioning apologies?
 
broncosmitty said:
Yeah, this was the only what if thread of yours where I’ve sided with you.

1 out of 200 times you might catch a guy daydreaming. You are more apt to screw your self by not making the play that doesn’t need to be made.

Frankie Lindor victimized himself once trying to be cute on an Infield Fly.

You would need to know a base runner is actively drunk or high to try this move imo.
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Except he specifically was talking about infield fly rule. What he is NOW talking about is a runner just at first, that can NEVER be an infield fly rule situation. If they want to drop the ball with just a runner on 1B to get him out at second then it's their choice. Unlikely to get a double play out of it unless the batter doesn't leg it out to first, then that's on him.
 
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