TV Series Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon

calsnowskier said:
In the after-show producers notes vignette that they showed if you streamed the episode, they said she didn’t crisp all the usurpers because it was showing that she had some compassion.

Where was that compassion for all the rabble the dragon killed as she busted through the floor? Or as the dragon was moving in the room (they actually showed people flying 50 feet after getting clubbed by the dragon’s tail). Her not ending it all there was not a show of compassion of attempting to avoid bloodshed. It was just a story telling device.
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Peasants aren't people you silly goose


(nah, but for real, it was just shitty writing because they wanted a cool visual)
 
wildturkey said:
Peasants aren't people you silly goose


(nah, but for real, it was just shitty writing because they wanted a cool visual)
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How does anyone not read that script and say we can't do this and we have to come up with something else?

Have the Dragon blow the fire and make the one-eyed brother survive it like Cersei and vow revenge amongst the ash that is his family. Anything but what they did.
 
Wild Turkey said:
How does anyone not read that script and say we can't do this and we have to come up with something else?

Have the Dragon blow the fire and make the one-eyed brother survive it like Cersei and vow revenge amongst the ash that is his family. Anything but what they did.
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Then you only have one dragon against however many the blacks are sitting on. (Or one dragon rider, with a couple dragons just hangin in the pit, with nobody to sit on their back)Plus the lady of driftwoods.

The scene just didn’t need to happen.
 
broncosmitty said:
Then you only have one dragon against however many the blacks are sitting on. (Or one dragon rider, with a couple dragons just hangin in the pit, with nobody to sit on their back)Plus the lady of driftwoods.

The scene just didn’t need to happen.
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Visually, it was an impressive scene. If you don’t actually THINK, it was a powerful scene.

But if you scratch the surface, even just a little bit, it all falls apart.

Establishes the “Woman who would have been Queen” as a power player? Nope. If she actually acted, the coming war would have been prevented, unless she lays claim to the thown.

Shows her compassion? Nope. She killed AT LEAST dozens of spectators with her entrance. Deciding not to murder the usurping family was not compassionate, it was ill-conceived.

Had her look bad ass on the dragon? I will absolutely give them this one.
 
calsnowskier said:
Visually, it was an impressive scene. If you don’t actually THINK, it was a powerful scene.

But if you scratch the surface, even just a little bit, it all falls apart.

Establishes the “Woman who would have been Queen” as a power player? Nope. If she actually acted, the coming war would have been prevented, unless she lays claim to the thown.

Shows her compassion? Nope. She killed AT LEAST dozens of spectators with her entrance. Deciding not to murder the usurping family was not compassionate, it was ill-conceived.

Had her look bad ass on the dragon? I will absolutely give them this one.
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She has the most powerful navy. And a giant fire breathing flying lizard she rides. And her grandchildren are betrothed to the children of the would be queen. (Also her grandchildren).

There’s no compassionate reason not to smoke that group of usurpers in that situation. Kill ‘em all. Fly to Dragonstone, assemble the dragons, come back in two days. Grow fat and old running a continent with your niece and former son in law, plus your own kingdom on another continent.

She watched her brother in law get his head sliced in two, over pointing out the truth. But killing a mom who is stealing the throne from her family was too much? That’s just dumb.
 
broncosmitty said:
She has the most powerful navy. And a giant fire breathing flying lizard she rides. And her grandchildren are betrothed to the children of the would be queen. (Also her grandchildren).

There’s no compassionate reason not to smoke that group of usurpers in that situation. Kill ‘em all. Fly to Dragonstone, assemble the dragons, come back in two days. Grow fat and old running a continent with your niece and former son in law, plus your own kingdom on another continent.

She watched her brother in law get his head sliced in two, over pointing out the truth. But killing a mom who is stealing the throne from her family was too much? That’s just dumb.
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Yeah….I’ve listened to a good bit today from those involved with the show to try to understand this better. Anything I’ve heard from them makes no fucking sense.

Take a controversial approach on a critical moment, fine. But, be able to explain the decision and I can usually find a way to get behind it.

All this reads as so far is “we had a visually stunning idea and went with it”. Not a fan.

Maybe the best I heard is Rhaenys saw Alicent in that moment putting herself in front of her deplorable son and maybe felt “maybe this chick might do what I suggest and take the throne yet”. I don’t think Rhaenys really cares if Alicent or Rhaenyra gets the top, but she’s done with the patriarchy.

This is still very weak sauce, but it’s the best I’ve heard today.

If they really wanted this visually stunning scene then do it right. She pops up from the basement while Aegon is still alone there on stage, sword aloft. In the shock everyone else clears the stage but Aegon freezes in place like the chump he is.

Poof, incinerate him while the rest of the family looks on from some cover. Fly out.

This would have been stunning and logical in a way. It would be the Targs saying “we do not accept this choice”. This would have been a slam dunk.
 
calsnowskier said:
In the after-show producers notes vignette that they showed if you streamed the episode, they said she didn’t crisp all the usurpers because it was showing that she had some compassion.

Where was that compassion for all the rabble the dragon killed as she busted through the floor? Or as the dragon was moving in the room (they actually showed people flying 50 feet after getting clubbed by the dragon’s tail). Her not ending it all there was not a show of compassion of attempting to avoid bloodshed. It was just a story telling device.
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Yeah, I'm pretty frustrated with the scene. There's no such scene in the book, and if they're going to deviate from the book, they should have a good reason, and they seemed to have no good reason other than visual spectacle and trying to making Rhaenys look like a badass, but the scene is full of contradictions and just doesn't make sense.

Ending the ep on Aegon's coronation and him holding the sword in the air was enough of a strong ending heralding a new era and hinting at the war to come. No need for the dragon-bursting.
 
That's why that woman would have been an awful queen. She could have ended this while war before it started but she bowed out. The only way that will make sense is if she's trying to keep the door open for a defection depending on how things play out.
 
she should have just escaped with the dragon instead of smashing through a bunch of peasants to show off how she was escaping.

I don't think she wanted to commit regicide and kill the entire family...that is generally frowned upon and would have definitely led to worse things than the possibility they have a civil war...so don't say "she could have ended it all before it even began" because, no, she couldn't have. She would have made things worse.

and Larys, while we know what he is in his role, needed to be brought down on his depravity, IMO. That scene will stand out in a "ok, this dude is sneaky but he's also a freak." As for the queen, it comes off as a gotta do what I gotta do kind of thing.
 
ill said:
she should have just escaped with the dragon instead of smashing through a bunch of peasants to show off how she was escaping.

I don't think she wanted to commit regicide and kill the entire family...that is generally frowned upon and would have definitely led to worse things than the possibility they have a civil war...so don't say "she could have ended it all before it even began" because, no, she couldn't have. She would have made things worse.

and Larys, while we know what he is in his role, needed to be brought down on his depravity, IMO. That scene will stand out in a "ok, this dude is sneaky but he's also a freak." As for the queen, it comes off as a gotta do what I gotta do kind of thing.
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I swear your fanboy blood will make you defend the absolutely worse decisions no matter what than to actually see crappy writing for what it actually is. It's ridiculous to say that she would have made things worse. Even Ned Stark takes them all out at that point and not doing so was so out of GOT character as it is ridiculous. The universe that gave us the Red Wedding pulled back when the foot was on the throat of the enemy. The Queen that never was had just seen a head of house hanging in the palace courtyard as she was escaping and had to know if she didn't cooperate she would be next so don't give me this "she would have made things worse" shit. You are making that up in your fanboy head.
 
Wild Turkey said:
2. Missed Opportunity - This I can never forgive. There isn't a Lancaster or Stark that wouldn't have pulled that trigger and to me,
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Wild Turkey said:
I swear your fanboy blood will make you defend the absolutely worse decisions no matter what than to actually see crappy writing for what it actually is. It's ridiculous to say that she would have made things worse. Even Ned Stark takes them all out at that point and not doing so was so out of GOT character as it is ridiculous. The universe that gave us the Red Wedding pulled back when the foot was on the throat of the enemy. The Queen that never was had just seen a head of house hanging in the palace courtyard as she was escaping and had to know if she didn't cooperate she would be next so don't give me this "she would have made things worse" shit. You are making that up in your fanboy head.
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what fanboy blood?

if she goes in there and kills the queen and her children, what does that do? That 100% kicks off a war.

instead she flees to Dragonstone and reports back what is going on in King's Landing and they go from there.

You have no idea what Ned would have done. How are you going to tell me I made anything up in my head and then go on a tirade about how things would have happened in GOT. How about they follow what happened in the book and that is that she DOESN'T kill the queen in that moment?
 
ill said:
what fanboy blood?

if she goes in there and kills the queen and her children, what does that do? That 100% kicks off a war.

instead she flees to Dragonstone and reports back what is going on in King's Landing and they go from there.

You have no idea what Ned would have done. How are you going to tell me I made anything up in my head and then go on a tirade about how things would have happened in GOT. How about they follow what happened in the book and that is that she DOESN'T kill the queen in that moment?
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There is a war anyway. If she takes out the Greens the Blacks are the only ones with dragons and they have the largest fleet. Who in the hell do you think is going to rally to fight them?

You act like a war can be avoided and that’s ridiculous.

And don’t you EVER put the name of Ned Stark in your mouth as you are not worthy to speak his name. You may refer to him as the Great King of the North but you better do it with respect.

In the opening scene of GOT Ned Stark insisted on executing criminals himself as King because he felt it was his duty and he couldn’t pass it to anyone else. That man if standing in front of a group of people that are trying to steal the crown does not hesitate. So yes I know exactly what he would do.
 
Wild Turkey said:
There is a war anyway. If she takes out the Greens the Blacks are the only ones with dragons and they have the largest fleet. Who in the hell do you think is going to rally to fight them?

You act like a war can be avoided and that’s ridiculous.

And don’t you EVER put the name of Ned Stark in your mouth as you are not worthy to speak his name. You may refer to him as the Great King of the North but you better do it with respect.

In the opening scene of GOT Ned Stark insisted on executing criminals himself as King because he felt it was his duty and he couldn’t pass it to anyone else. That man if standing in front of a group of people that are trying to steal the crown does not hesitate. So yes I know exactly what he would do.
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I never said war can be avoided, you did.

I said if she goes and burns down the Hightower family then anyone loyal to the Greens is going to start shit.

instead she flies off and let's Rhaehrys and Daemon make that decision since it isn't hers to make. She gains nothing by killing them right there.

and you are talking about 2 very different things. Ned executing a criminal and killing the royal family for a coup are not at all the same thing.
 
ill said:
I never said war can be avoided, you did.

I said if she goes and burns down the Hightower family then anyone loyal to the Greens is going to start shit.

instead she flies off and let's Rhaehrys and Daemon make that decision since it isn't hers to make. She gains nothing by killing them right there.

and you are talking about 2 very different things. Ned executing a criminal and killing the royal family for a coup are not at all the same thing.
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You said, "if she goes in there and kills the queen and her children, what does that do? That 100% kicks off a war.".

There is no scenario where war doesn't happen except if the Greens conceded and bent the knee because the blacks were not and they have the true claim to the crown.

She gains EVERYTHING by burning them right there and you are probably the only person on the planet that doesn't believe it. Even the creators aren't trying to spin your BS to defend their decisions.

I told you to keep Ned Stark's name out of your mouth and this is the last warning! The Greens are criminals because they are stealing the Iron Throne through a false claim so Ned executing criminals is executing criminals regardless of status. I mean good Lord the entire Stark family went to war and took on the Lannisters for pretty much the same thing so how you don't see that is beyond me.

The simple fact is you are egregiously wrong and inventing crap in your head in an attempt to make what was a massive creative mistake make sense to you. The truth is they screwed up and that scene should never have happened and they sold out to get the badass dragon scene in the episode at the cost of the actual story. You need to see it for what it is and that is a massive misstep.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You said, "if she goes in there and kills the queen and her children, what does that do? That 100% kicks off a war.".

There is no scenario where war doesn't happen except if the Greens conceded and bent the knee because the blacks were not and they have the true claim to the crown.

She gains EVERYTHING by burning them right there and you are probably the only person on the planet that doesn't believe it. Even the creators aren't trying to spin your BS to defend their decisions.

I told you to keep Ned Stark's name out of your mouth and this is the last warning! The Greens are criminals because they are stealing the Iron Throne through a false claim so Ned executing criminals is executing criminals regardless of status. I mean good Lord the entire Stark family went to war and took on the Lannisters for pretty much the same thing so how you don't see that is beyond me.

The simple fact is you are egregiously wrong and inventing crap in your head in an attempt to make what was a massive creative mistake make sense to you. The truth is they screwed up and that scene should never have happened and they sold out to get the badass dragon scene in the episode at the cost of the actual story. You need to see it for what it is and that is a massive misstep.
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I agree, there is no way war is avoided...but why would she be the one to kick it off by killing everyone?

she gains everything? what exactly does she gain? She isn't in line for the throne and will not hold a position of power higher than where she is.

she flies back and let's the true queen know what's up and it goes from there...that's the proper way of things.
 
seriously, are you drunk, Wild Turkey? You seem very unhinged over this.
 
ill said:
I agree, there is no way war is avoided...but why would she be the one to kick it off by killing everyone?

she gains everything? what exactly does she gain? She isn't in line for the throne and will not hold a position of power higher than where she is.

she flies back and let's the true queen know what's up and it goes from there...that's the proper way of things.
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1. The war has been kicked off the second they decided to steal the crown so it's not on her and the greens know it because they are killing anyone they can to try and stop it.

2. She greatly reduces the chances that her grandchildren and their future husbands will be killed. That is a pretty damn good reason to burn the Greens to ash right then and there. With the Greens gone there is no one with a legit claim to the throne that isn't a member of her family so yes she gains EVERYTHING plus the potential lives of her family members.

Just stop with "that's the proper way of things" because there are no rules when it comes to taking the Iron Throne. It's a kill-or-be-killed process and has been for thousands of years. You could not be more wrong or show less of an understanding of this universe by making that statement.

You so badly want this to make sense that you are grasping at straws to make it work and that's ridiculous.
 
Wild Turkey said:
1. The war has been kicked off the second they decided to steal the crown so it's not on her and the greens know it because they are killing anyone they can to try and stop it.

2. She greatly reduces the chances that her grandchildren and their future husbands will be killed. That is a pretty damn good reason to burn the Greens to ash right then and there. With the Greens gone there is no one with a legit claim to the throne that isn't a member of her family so yes she gains EVERYTHING plus the potential lives of her family members.

Just stop with "that's the proper way of things" because there are no rules when it comes to taking the Iron Throne. It's a kill-or-be-killed process and has been for thousands of years. You could not be more wrong or show less of an understanding of this universe by making that statement.

You so badly want this to make sense that you are grasping at straws to make it work and that's ridiculous.
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like I said in my first post, she should have just fled with her dragon but it seems the showrunners wanted one more dragon scene that doesn't make sense.

instead (somehow) she finds her war armor and explodes through the floor, which shouldn't be possible, even with a dragon in order to tell the Queen "yea, I'm on this shit now"
 
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