TV Series Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon

[RememberTheKoy]

what fanboy blood?

if she goes in there and kills the queen and her children, what does that do? That 100% kicks off a war.

instead she flees to Dragonstone and reports back what is going on in King's Landing and they go from there.

You have no idea what Ned would have done. How are you going to tell me I made anything up in my head and then go on a tirade about how things would have happened in GOT. How about they follow what happened in the book and that is that she DOESN'T kill the queen in that moment?

Kicks off a war with who? One side would have been wiped out. There would have only been one side left. If the was anyone left in the realm that would oppose what happened then it wouldn't matter because only the remaining ruling side would own all the remaining dragons.

 

[ill]

I'm pissed they screwed up this badly and I'm floored you don't see it.

in the books, she doesn't kill them. Do you think Martin fucked up in writing it or did the showrunners fuck up in having her enter The Red Keep (I think that is where that is)

why do you want them to kill them in the show when they didn't die in the book?

 

[Wild Turkey]

like I said in my first post, she should have just fled with her dragon but it seems the showrunners wanted one more dragon scene that doesn't make sense.

instead (somehow) she finds her war armor and explodes through the floor, which shouldn't be possible, even with a dragon in order to tell the Queen "yea, I'm on this shit now"

Exactly. Once she explodes through the floor none of it makes sense and it is an egregious writing error that unfortunately can not be undone. All we can do as viewers is pretend that never happened and proceed but these writers have to do a better job because that was inexcusable.

That still doesn't change the fact you tried as hard as you could to justify her decision as written by the writers and there is zero justification for it.

 

[Big Al Rogorson]

@ill @Wild Turkey

Shut up! Just shut up!!

 

[ill]

Exactly. Once she explodes through the floor none of it makes sense and it is an egregious writing error that unfortunately can not be undone. All we can do as viewers is pretend that never happened and proceed but these writers have to do a better job because that was inexcusable.

That still doesn't change the fact you tried as hard as you could to justify her decision as written by the writers and there is zero justification for it.

I don't think we need to pretend it didn't happen.

you just need to understand their reasoning for not having Rhaenys kill Alicent the Greens right there and then.

House of the Dragon: why didn’t Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon?

House of the Dragon: The Greens have finally made their move dooming the realm in the process so why didn't Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon and end the madness?

www.thedigitalfix.com

 

[Wild Turkey]

in the books, she doesn't kill them. Do you think Martin fucked up in writing it or did the showrunners fuck up in having her enter The Red Keep (I think that is where that is)

why do you want them to kill them in the show when they didn't die in the book?

Did Martin put her in front of them on the back of fire breathing dragon? No, so this isn't on him.

This isn't about the books it's about the show and I'm fine with writers taking creative license as long as it makes sense and makes the product better. A perfect example is the Hunger Games series as how the movie ended the series was vastly superior to the books. So, I don't get caught up "but this was in the books or this didn't happen in the comics" I just care that the story makes sense and this did not and it was a terrible misstep. They ruined the character and she was a good one.

The series had a tough task and I thought they did as good of a job as they could to flesh out the story on screen but to make that kind of error is just ridiculous.

 

[Wild Turkey]

@ill @Wild Turkey

Shut up! Just shut up!!

Hate to break it to you but thats why this thread is here....so fuck off.

 

[ill]

Did Martin put her in front of them on the back of fire breathing dragon? No, so this isn't on him.

This isn't about the books it's about the show and I'm fine with writers taking creative license as long as it makes sense and makes the product better. A perfect example is the Hunger Games series as how the movie ended the series was vastly superior to the books. So, I don't get caught up "but this was in the books or this didn't happen in the comics" I just care that the story makes sense and this did not and it was a terrible misstep. They ruined the character and she was a good one.

The series had a tough task and I thought they did as good of a job as they could to flesh out the story on screen but to make that kind of error is just ridiculous.

I don't think the character is ruined at all...outside that she doesn't come off as sympathetic anymore now that she and her dragon killed a bunch of common folk.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I don't think we need to pretend it didn't happen.

you just need to understand their reasoning for not having Rhaenys kill Alicent the Greens right there and then.

House of the Dragon: why didn’t Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon?

House of the Dragon: The Greens have finally made their move dooming the realm in the process so why didn't Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon and end the madness?

www.thedigitalfix.com

The creator in the aftershow said "she didn't want to kill a child in front of his mother" or something to that effect.

It's fucking GOT they eat babies for breakfast and slaughter wedding parties. There is no understanding it and pretending you are supposed to is idiotic and rewarding bad writing. I refused to go there.

 

[DraftNerd]

@ill @Wild Turkey

Shut up! Just shut up!!

Do…..you not understand how message boards work?

 

[Wild Turkey]

I don't think the character is ruined at all...outside that she doesn't come off as sympathetic anymore now that she and her dragon killed a bunch of common folk.

Because you are a fanboy that can't bare to see the truth. You defend pretty much every shitty decision Marvel makes also and it's ridiculous.

 

[ill]

Because you are a fanboy that can't bare to see the truth. You defend pretty much every shitty decision Marvel makes also and it's ridiculous.

how am I a fanboy? a fanboy of what exactly?

 

[DraftNerd]

I don't think we need to pretend it didn't happen.

you just need to understand their reasoning for not having Rhaenys kill Alicent the Greens right there and then.

House of the Dragon: why didn’t Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon?

House of the Dragon: The Greens have finally made their move dooming the realm in the process so why didn't Rhaenys kill Alicent and Aegon and end the madness?

www.thedigitalfix.com

This link might be the most cogent argument I’ve seen yet for what Rhaenys didn’t do. And that’s just coming from some writer.

I listened to a few pods and interviews yesterday with show runners defending the scene, and their defenses were weak as fuck.

This is better….though still flawed IMO. If I’m trying to get into Rhaenys’ mind it had something to do with Alicent, something to do with their earlier talk. Rhaenys has clearly shown she is pragmatic. She will not rock the boat much, but reads the room constantly and makes clever moves with which way the winds are blowing, like how she shunned Rhaenyras idea to betroth their families, and then take the offer when the King unexpectedly shows up. She is a fence sitter.

Maybe it’s that same calculation in that moment when she had them all smoked. “I could have taken the lot of you out”.

And that’s all fine and good, but it’s weakened by the way this scene happened, which was clearly done for spectacle. The only way out of the dragon pits is NOT straight up through the floor. She could have gotten on her dragon and just bolted. And still could have said “I could have taken you all out”. Instead she kills dozens of people just to set this up?

It’s weak.

 

[Wild Turkey]

This link might be the most cogent argument I’ve seen yet for what Rhaenys didn’t do. And that’s just coming from some writer.

I listened to a few pods and interviews yesterday with show runners defending the scene, and their defenses were weak as fuck.

This is better….though still flawed IMO. If I’m trying to get into Rhaenys’ mind it had something to do with Alicent, something to do with their earlier talk. Rhaenys has clearly shown she is pragmatic. She will not rock the boat much, but reads the room constantly and makes clever moves with which way the winds are blowing, like how she shunned Rhaenyras idea to betroth their families, and then take the offer when the King unexpectedly shows up. She is a fence sitter.

Maybe it’s that same calculation in that moment when she had them all smoked. “I could have taken the lot of you out”.

And that’s all fine and good, but it’s weakened by the way this scene happened, which was clearly done for spectacle. The only way out of the dragon pits is NOT straight up through the floor. She could have gotten on her dragon and just bolted. And still could have said “I could have taken you all out”. Instead she kills dozens of people just to set this up?

It’s weak.

She saw the head of a house hanging in the courtyard and if she didn’t either escape or bend the knee she would have joined that dude. She would know this better than anyone.

That character does not pass up the chance to strike first. You can’t justify the scene. Just forget it happened.

 

[Wild Turkey]

how am I a fanboy? a fanboy of what exactly?

Fanboy say what…

 

[DraftNerd]

She saw the head of a house hanging in the courtyard and if she didn’t either escape or bend the knee she would have joined that dude. She would know this better than anyone.

That character does not pass up the chance to strike first. You can’t justify the scene. Just forget it happened.

That character has passed up striking first this whole season. Come on, now.

We both agree the scene was poorly done and illogical on its whole, but she would be the type to see a head of house hanging and decide she needs to make calculated steps.

To be calculated is to just leave. You can always say “I could have rained down on you but didn’t”. But that’s not what they did having her bust through the floor and slaughter dozens just to stare them down.

 

[ill]

This link might be the most cogent argument I’ve seen yet for what Rhaenys didn’t do. And that’s just coming from some writer.

I listened to a few pods and interviews yesterday with show runners defending the scene, and their defenses were weak as fuck.

This is better….though still flawed IMO. If I’m trying to get into Rhaenys’ mind it had something to do with Alicent, something to do with their earlier talk. Rhaenys has clearly shown she is pragmatic. She will not rock the boat much, but reads the room constantly and makes clever moves with which way the winds are blowing, like how she shunned Rhaenyras idea to betroth their families, and then take the offer when the King unexpectedly shows up. She is a fence sitter.

Maybe it’s that same calculation in that moment when she had them all smoked. “I could have taken the lot of you out”.

And that’s all fine and good, but it’s weakened by the way this scene happened, which was clearly done for spectacle. The only way out of the dragon pits is NOT straight up through the floor. She could have gotten on her dragon and just bolted. And still could have said “I could have taken you all out”. Instead she kills dozens of people just to set this up?

It’s weak.

I thought the scene between Alicent and Rhaenys was fantastic acting, by the way. The two of them were really good there.

and I do think Alicent reached Rhaenys a bit with her plea and it definitely had an effect on the decision in the Red Keep (someone please tell me if that was the Red Keep)

 

[ill]

She saw the head of a house hanging in the courtyard and if she didn’t either escape or bend the knee she would have joined that dude. She would know this better than anyone.

That character does not pass up the chance to strike first. You can’t justify the scene. Just forget it happened.

Rhaenys is not a vengeful character. She is more like Vicerys than Daemon.

 

[DraftNerd]

I thought the scene between Alicent and Rhaenys was fantastic acting, by the way. The two of them were really good there.

and I do think Alicent reached Rhaenys a bit with her plea and it definitely had an effect on the decision in the Red Keep (someone please tell me if that was the Red Keep)

Listening to a good pod on the show now…..the important question was just asked….why put this character (Rhaenys) in this situation? There was no need except to make a spectacle.

I can only speak for myself but get the feel many feel this way….the show itself is spectacle. You don’t need to force it.

 

[ill]

Listening to a good pod on the show now…..the important question was just asked….why put this character (Rhaenys) in this situation? There was no need except to make a spectacle.

I can only speak for myself but get the feel many feel this way….the show itself is spectacle. You don’t need to force it.

agree...the important part is that she escaped back to Dragonstone.

they didn't need to put her in the domed building if she can get out of the Dragonpit without it.