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Lions Trade Hockenson To Vikings
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God I hate this f'ing team
| Player | Draft | REC | YDS | TD | Value |
| Travis Kelce (KC) | 63 | 47 | 553 | 7 | 144.3 |
| Mark Andrews (BAL) | 86 | 42 | 488 | 5 | 120.8 |
| Zach Ertz (ARI) | 35 | 41 | 354 | 3 | 94.4 |
| Tyler Higbee (LAR) | 110 | 36 | 312 | 0 | 67.2 |
| Robert Tonyan (GB) | 265 | 35 | 286 | 1 | 69.6 |
| David Njoku (CLE) | 29 | 34 | 418 | 1 | 81.8 |
| Hayden Hurst (CIN) | 25 | 33 | 268 | 2 | 71.8 |
| Tyler Conklin (NYJ) | 157 | 32 | 309 | 3 | 80.9 |
| Dallas Goedert (PHI) | 49 | 32 | 421 | 1 | 80.1 |
| Pat Freiermuth (PIT) | 55 | 32 | 367 | 1 | 74.7 |
| Evan Engram (JAC) | 23 | 32 | 330 | 1 | 71 |
| George Kittle (SF) | 146 | 28 | 319 | 2 | 71.9 |
| Gerald Everett (LAC) | 44 | 27 | 305 | 2 | 69.5 |
| T.J. Hockenson (MIN) | 8 | 26 | 395 | 3 | 83.5 |
| Irv Smith Jr. (MIN) | 50 | 22 | 168 | 2 | 50.8 |
| Noah Fant (SEA) | 20 | 22 | 176 | 1 | 45.6 |
| Mike Gesicki (MIA) | 42 | 21 | 235 | 4 | 68.5 |
| Will Dissly (SEA) | 120 | 21 | 206 | 3 | 59.6 |
| Kyle Pitts (ATL) | 4 | 21 | 258 | 2 | 58.8 |
| Juwan Johnson (NO) | 265 | 21 | 216 | 2 | 54.6 |
| Dalton Schultz (DAL) | 137 | 20 | 203 | 0 | 40.3 |
| Kylen Granson (IND) | 127 | 20 | 176 | 0 | 37.6 |
84.5 |
This trade prompted me to do a little statistical analysis while I ate lunch. Counting all TEs in the league with 20+ receptions as of right now, I found that the average draft position of those 22 TEs is 84.5 (second half of the 3rd round) and that includes two guys who were undrafted (I counted them as 265). The two guys who were drafted in the top-10 hold almost the same statistical value as the two guys who were undrafted.
Ultimately, this analysis shows:
- you can find a useful TE anywhere in the draft
- drafting them in the first round is a waste - doing very little to improve productivity probability
- drafting them somewhere within the late-2nd through 3rd round improves your bang-for-buck probability
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They’re like that drunk uncle who won’t stop drinking. And just when you’re willing to give him one last final chance, he gets wasted on Jäegermeister and kicks your car window out with a soccer ball.
This happened to me, so i know.
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I like the trade
Smith has been a bust for Vikings, always hurt (which is one thing) but even when healthy just not effective. Signals vikings will be moving on from Irv. If MN is giving up 2nd, they don't view this as rental
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You barely have to give him a raise if you tag him.
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thats pretty good.
I didnt have your stats but was thinking early 3rd round for bang for buck.
So your late 2nd to the 3rd rounds sound pretty spot on. To where my thoughts were at. Witten was a 3rd, Doug Cosbie was a 3rd
I cringe at the idea of Cowboys taking a TE before the 3rd.
Gavin Escobar (2nd)
Anthony Fasano (2nd)
David LaFleur (1st)
Kendell Watkins (2nd) Who?
Todd Christensen (2nd) but we traded away. (that was 1978)
Got to go all the way back to 1973 before Cowboys had a quality TE from the 1st two rounds.
Billy Joe Dupree (1st)
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Miami going all in too. They added Bradley Chubb from the Broncs.
Even if you look at the greatest TEs of all time, the results are pretty similar. Top 10 in receptions all time:
| TE | Draft Position |
| Gonzalez | 13 |
| Witten | 69 |
| Gates | Undrafted |
| Sharpe | 192 |
| Kelce | 63 |
| Olsen | 31 |
| Graham | 95 |
| Ertz | 35 |
| Newsome | 23 |
| Gronkowski | 42 |
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1st round TEs in the 2000's (Bold is a top ten pick used)
Kyle Pitts (4th)
TJ Hockenson (8th)
Noah Fant (20th)
Hayden Hurst (25th)
OJ Howard (19th) \
Evan Engram (23rd) --> 3 in one year
David Njoki (29th) /
Eric Ebron (10th)
Tyler Eifert (21st)
Jermaine Gresham (21st)
Brandon Pettigrew (20th)
Dustin Keller (30th)
Greg Olsen (31st) but was traded
Vernon Davis (6th)
Mercedes Lewis (28th)
Heath Miller (30th)
Kellen Winslow (6th)
Ben Watson (32nd)
Dallas Clark (24th)
Jeremy Shockey (14th) \
Dan Graham (21st)------> 3 in one year
Jerramy Stevens (28th) /
Todd Heap (31st)
Bubba Franks (14th)
Anthony Becht (27th)
17 of the 23 years 25 TEs has been taken in the 1st round. You would think the NFL would stop falling for the cant miss TE, especially in the early 1st round.
So while I think it is a good fit & move for the Vikes to land Hockenson. It is a good recovery move by the Lions to get a 2nd rd pick for a TE. (they used a 1st on)
Kyle Pitts (4th)
TJ Hockenson (8th)
Noah Fant (20th)
Hayden Hurst (25th)
OJ Howard (19th) \
Evan Engram (23rd) --> 3 in one year
David Njoki (29th) /
Eric Ebron (10th)
Tyler Eifert (21st)
Jermaine Gresham (21st)
Brandon Pettigrew (20th)
Dustin Keller (30th)
Greg Olsen (31st) but was traded
Vernon Davis (6th)
Mercedes Lewis (28th)
Heath Miller (30th)
Kellen Winslow (6th)
Ben Watson (32nd)
Dallas Clark (24th)
Jeremy Shockey (14th) \
Dan Graham (21st)------> 3 in one year
Jerramy Stevens (28th) /
Todd Heap (31st)
Bubba Franks (14th)
Anthony Becht (27th)
17 of the 23 years 25 TEs has been taken in the 1st round. You would think the NFL would stop falling for the cant miss TE, especially in the early 1st round.
So while I think it is a good fit & move for the Vikes to land Hockenson. It is a good recovery move by the Lions to get a 2nd rd pick for a TE. (they used a 1st on)
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You should lay off the Jäegermeister
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Hard to sell this being a good move for Detroit. Signing a first who didn’t bust would be a good move.
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they got a 2nd rd. draft pick for a TE that isnt an all pro. its a nice recovery move. (they cant take back the fact they used a 1st on a TE)
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He’s a 25 year old pro bowl TE. And they sent two other picks with him.
Nobody is gonna be an All Pro until Kelce retires or Mark Andrews loses a leg.
They had a young, productive TE. Now they don’t.
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please stop using probowls as if it means anything anymore.
Half the league makes the probowl. he is a decent talent that, they got a 2nd for.
TEs arent worth a 1st rd. & regurgitated TEs arent worth a second. (near the end of a rookie contract)
Completely agree!Nope. Now they have a 2nd round pick & a reset on rookie contracts.
He wasnt a difference maker for the Lions. Losing him isnt gonna change that team.
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Four Tight Ends were Pro Bowlers last year.please stop using probowls as if it means anything anymore.
Half the league makes the probowl. he is a decent talent that, they got a 2nd for.
TEs arent worth a 1st rd. & regurgitated TEs arent worth a second. (near the end of a rookie contract)
Nope. Now they have a 2nd round pick & a reset on rookie contracts.
He wasnt a difference maker for the Lions. Losing him isnt gonna change that team.
Hyperbole doesnt make a point.
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I swear to you. If you are one of those type of guys that think Probowls should be apart of their resumes in importance.
We should just stop talking to each other.