PAC Is Done Stick A Fork In It

[osubuckeye89]

i mean these 5 schools have 6 division championships and 3 conference championships since it became the Pac 12 vs the 2 division championships between the 6 schools mentioned from the Big10.

That probably says more negative about the Pac 12 than positive.

 

[OlyDuck]

That probably says more negative about the Pac 12 than positive.

not really most of it was Stanford

 

[Thiefery]

If the Big XII adds 2 schools (Arizona schools) the math takes that 55mil down to 47. but like i said some % increase so maybe 48 or 49.
add 4 schools and it comes down to 41. % increase maybe 43?

ESPN will pay the 63% share it has for new members.. Fox won't shell out the other 37%

It's a 6 year extension that begins in 2025.. I think the PAC can do a similar 6 year deal that will pay it's current members more than a 63% share of the portion they get from the Big12/ESPN

 

[OlyDuck]

ESPN will pay the 63% share it has for new members.. Fox won't shell out the other 37%

It's a 6 year extension that begins in 2025.. I think the PAC can do a similar 6 year deal that will pay it's current members more than a 63% share of the portion they get from the Big12/ESPN

so ESPN would give each new schools from the Pac 63% of the their part of the contract.
New schools get nothing from fox or fox money gets re divided? 16 or 14 ways vs 12 ways?

 

[Thiefery]

so ESPN would give each new schools from the Pac 63% of the their part of the contract.
New schools get nothing from fox or fox money gets re divided? 16 or 14 ways vs 12 ways?

yeah from the breakdown I heard.. big12 has a clause with ESPN that if they added current P5 schools they will pay those schools the same payout as the current Big12 members (under the new extension). ESPN pays 63% of that while FOX pays the remaining 37% of that. However FOX has no clause with the Big12 to pay that portion to ANY new schools being added during the new extension period.

I think FOX did this on purpose to slow down the complete pillage of the PAC until the BiG figures out when it wants to add more schools from the west coast. I think this benefits the PAC conference since whatever deal they strike up with ESPN/Amazon/Fox.. it should pay out more than the 63% cut ESPN will give them in the Big12.

Think Pac Survives for another 6 years til the BiG/Big12 contracts begin negotiating again

 

[Goldbug]

It's the only shot they have at maintaining any kind of footprint in Southern California.

He's also been out there saying that USC fans aren't happy about this...which proves he doesn't know any USC fans.

I feel for him a little because this truly isn't his mess. He took over as commissioner and started making some positive changes. Then he gets blindsided by USC and UCLA leaving and now has to try to keep the conference from extinction.

Not sure I understand his approach though. It seems like he's trying to shame USC and UCLA into staying by claiming none of their fans, alumni, etc. want this when the only person I've heard speak against it is Bill Walton.

Seems like he'd be better served to approach the tv networks and ask them what the tv deal would look like if he could convince them USC and UCLA to stay...then take that to them and ask what else they need to stay.

Maybe he already did and they told him to pound sand?

I would open a vein to keep USC and UCLA. I'm not convinced the Trojans and Bruins are going to be all that happy in the B1G. This is all about $$$$ for them. People in CA don't thrive in that BS weather they will face on the road in November and December plus the travel sucks. Soooo, I'd do basically what you suggested. Go cut a deal with the networks and then do whatever it took to keep them (and Oregon/Washington). If some of the pissants don't like it, then tell them to kick rocks.....which they would not do. The POS governors could even get into the campaign to save the Pac 10 by keeping USC and UCLA plus Washington/Oregon. But it needs to happen pronto or forget it. Maybe right after the election before the end of the year if they could move that fast.

 

[Hu War Yu]

as Southern teams hate travelling north for games

 

[OlyDuck]

I'm not convinced the Trojans and Bruins are going to be all that happy in the B1G. This is all about $$$$ for them. People in CA don't thrive in that BS weather they will face on the road in November and December plus the travel sucks.

we have been over this 100 times. there are no games in December other than championships and bowls.
they already have to make trips to cold weather places in the PNW and mountains.

 

[wazzu31]

I know that. But acting like being on Prime is better or "just as good" (OD) as being on Fox or ESPN is laughable

Prime isnt going to be handing out a ton of money to get the PAC 12 since it appears no one else really wants it. There's not exactly a bidding war going on for those rights.

If Larry Scott did this with negotiations in the last contract then the conference would still be together. There isn’t even a debate that being on a streaming service like Amazon is better in long run than ESPN, question is can the conference stay together.

 

[CorpRebel]

With USC/UCLA vs. Stanford/Cal at least there is some semblance of a rivalry, or at least its a traditional game. UCLA vs. Arizona is a great basketball rivalry game too. If I was a fan of USC/UCLA, I'd much rather play Cal/Stanford than travel across the country to play Rutgers and Indiana.

This is pretty much just about the money anyway. And USC has wanted to get out of the Pac12 for awhile now. I doubt UCLA fans and even most USC fans travel well to the away games all that often anyway. Even when I lived in SoCal, outside of traveling to South Bend for the game, I didn't do all that much traveling to other "away" football games.

USC/UCLA fans aren't in the "mix" of what's happening. Personally, as a USC grad, it doesn't really bother me one way or the other. USC, I think, just wants out of Pac12. They'd rather try their luck at going independent instead of remaining in the Pac12.

But who knows???

 

[CorpRebel]

I would open a vein to keep USC and UCLA. I'm not convinced the Trojans and Bruins are going to be all that happy in the B1G. This is all about $$$$ for them. People in CA don't thrive in that BS weather they will face on the road in November and December plus the travel sucks. Soooo, I'd do basically what you suggested. Go cut a deal with the networks and then do whatever it took to keep them (and Oregon/Washington). If some of the pissants don't like it, then tell them to kick rocks.....which they would not do. The POS governors could even get into the campaign to save the Pac 10 by keeping USC and UCLA plus Washington/Oregon. But it needs to happen pronto or forget it. Maybe right after the election before the end of the year if they could move that fast.

So I don't have to type it again... BTW... USC is private university and the governor/state has no sway over them. UCLA, being a part of the cali unversity system, is another story, considering what a whack job governor that Cali has.

This is pretty much just about the money anyway. And USC has wanted to get out of the Pac12 for awhile now. I doubt UCLA fans and even most USC fans travel well to the away games all that often anyway. Even when I lived in SoCal, outside of traveling to South Bend for the game, I didn't do all that much traveling to other "away" football games.

USC/UCLA fans aren't in the "mix" of what's happening. Personally, as a USC grad, it doesn't really bother me one way or the other. USC, I think, just wants out of Pac12. They'd rather try their luck at going independent instead of remaining in the Pac12.

But who knows???

 

[Goldbug]

So I don't have to type it again... BTW... USC is private university and the governor/state has no sway over them. UCLA, being a part of the cali unversity system, is another story, considering what a whack job governor that Cali has.

I have provided plenty of information in previous posts about the tens of millions in state funds that USC receives for research, various programs, etc. and Gruesome Newsom has a hand in that. It's even more important for UCLA since they are part of the university system. But the primary reason you want a governor involved is they can be helpful swaying other parties to do things. I get it; for some reason USC and UCLA think they will thrive in the B1G. Maybe they will. Same thing with OU and Texas in the SEC. Moving to those conferences is going to force these schools to get over hurdles they may come to regret. It's a heaving crapshoot.

 

[ralphiewvu]

This is pretty much just about the money anyway. And USC has wanted to get out of the Pac12 for awhile now. I doubt UCLA fans and even most USC fans travel well to the away games all that often anyway. Even when I lived in SoCal, outside of traveling to South Bend for the game, I didn't do all that much traveling to other "away" football games.

USC/UCLA fans aren't in the "mix" of what's happening. Personally, as a USC grad, it doesn't really bother me one way or the other. USC, I think, just wants out of Pac12. They'd rather try their luck at going independent instead of remaining in the Pac12.

But who knows???

Look at us! Two alums from top flight universities!

 

[CorpRebel]

Look at us! Two alums from top flight universities!

 

[ralphiewvu]

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[trojanfan12]

I'm not sure why I understand why USC/UCLA fans would be happy with this move? Sure the schools get more money, but fans aren't going to be seeing any of that. USC/UCLA fans sure as hell aren't going to travel to any road games given the proximity, and the student athletes in the other sports are going to suffer from the travel. I think it will end up being a mistake. Hell if the B12 was able to get $50 Million/year from everything, with essentially no big brand names, the P12 could have easily gotten that, if not in the $60-$65 Million range IMO. You're still behind the SEC/B1G, but you'd have easier access to the CFP, maintain traditional rivalries, and not have to play fucking Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and NW.

More money means better facilities, etc. Which leads to better recruits. It now gives them access to recruits parts of the country of the country that they previously didn't really have. It also means more money for the other sports as well.

The "travel concern" has already been debunked. It's not like they're traveling by train, there are airplanes now and folks are travelling thousands of miles in just a few hours.

Can't speak to UCLA, but USC will travel, especially for the bigger games like tOSU, Michigan, Penn St., etc. Especially if USC is good.

Additionally, for USC at least, this move is about a lot more than just the money. USC has been unhappy with PAC for a long time. In fact, USC leaving the PAC isn't surprising to most USC fans...the only surprise is that most thought they'd go independent.

 

[trojanfan12]

I would open a vein to keep USC and UCLA. I'm not convinced the Trojans and Bruins are going to be all that happy in the B1G. This is all about $$$$ for them. People in CA don't thrive in that BS weather they will face on the road in November and December plus the travel sucks. Soooo, I'd do basically what you suggested. Go cut a deal with the networks and then do whatever it took to keep them (and Oregon/Washington). If some of the pissants don't like it, then tell them to kick rocks.....which they would not do. The POS governors could even get into the campaign to save the Pac 10 by keeping USC and UCLA plus Washington/Oregon. But it needs to happen pronto or forget it. Maybe right after the election before the end of the year if they could move that fast.

The weather argument is bullshit that has already been debunked.

USC will be just fine in the B1G.

I don't see any way that USC stays. USC has been done with the PAC for a long time. There is no way in hell the PAC can get a tv deal big enough to get USC to stay and unlike UCLA, there is nothing the PAC, the California Board of Regents or the Governor can do stop them from leaving.

 

[trojanfan12]

So I don't have to type it again... BTW... USC is private university and the governor/state has no sway over them. UCLA, being a part of the cali unversity system, is another story, considering what a whack job governor that Cali has.

Heard something interesting today.

Apparently, Cal has been doing so much whining to the Board of Regents that they are thinking of voting in a new rule and then using that rule to vote to block UCLA from leaving.

Right now, the sentiment seems to be that UCLA will just have to pay Cal to stfu and stop whining.

However, it's also thought that if they do end up blocking UCLA, Oregon would replace them.

Either way, the PAC is fucked. Most didn't think Oregon and UW would be enough to keep the conference viable. So no way UCLA and UW would be enough.

 

[ericd7633]

More money means better facilities, etc. Which leads to better recruits. It now gives them access to recruits parts of the country of the country that they previously didn't really have. It also means more money for the other sports as well.

The "travel concern" has already been debunked. It's not like they're traveling by train, there are airplanes now and folks are travelling thousands of miles in just a few hours.

Can't speak to UCLA, but USC will travel, especially for the bigger games like tOSU, Michigan, Penn St., etc. Especially if USC is good.

Additionally, for USC at least, this move is about a lot more than just the money. USC has been unhappy with PAC for a long time. In fact, USC leaving the PAC isn't surprising to most USC fans...the only surprise is that most thought they'd go independent.

Helton was able to pull in two top 5 classes and another top 10 class, while he was at USC. USC recruits itself. It doesn't matter what conference they are in IMO.

The travel concern was mostly for the non revenue sports and basketball. It won't matter for football. Just speaking for basketball the P12 had a great scheduling philosophy. Travelling on a Thursday/Saturday to Eugene and Corvallis, is still a lot better than traveling to Indiana then Rutgers then flying cross country back to LA. You gotta do that shit 5 times a year, and that's assuming they go back to back road games, which isn't a guarantee.

As for traveling, they really haven't had a presence at ND games recently, but maybe that's because they've been bad. I can see them travelling to tOSU and Michigan/PSU, but odds are you won't play them every year, and at the most only get them twice a year.

Indy may have made more sense to go Indy. CBS and NBC had money to shell out. Could have probably gotten a deal similar to what ND is looking at ~$60 Million.

It'll be cool when you play tOSU and Michigan, but outside of that the rest of the games will be pretty meh.

 

[trojanfan12]

Helton was able to pull in two top 5 classes and another top 10 class, while he was at USC. USC recruits itself. It doesn't matter what conference they are in IMO.

How many top offensive linemen were in those classes. USC needs some of those big ol' corn fed type linemen, ain't a lot of those in Cali.

The travel concern was mostly for the non revenue sports and basketball. It won't matter for football. Just speaking for basketball the P12 had a great scheduling philosophy. Travelling on a Thursday/Saturday to Eugene and Corvallis, is still a lot better than traveling to Indiana then Rutgers then flying cross country back to LA. You gotta do that shit 5 times a year, and that's assuming they go back to back road games, which isn't a guarantee.

These are kids...they want the travel. It's like some of you think they're just flying by the seat of their pants on this. I'm sure those things are all being figured out right now, if they weren't already. This isn't something that was just decided on a whim. They have likely been working on this since shortly after Bohn was hired.

As for traveling, they really haven't had a presence at ND games recently, but maybe that's because they've been bad. I can see them travelling to tOSU and Michigan/PSU, but odds are you won't play them every year, and at the most only get them twice a year.

That's because they've sucked. Odds are that we will be playing at least 1 and maybe 2 of them every year. I remember some pretty good size traveling groups when Pete Carroll was the coach.