Meanwhile In The Big 12

[ralphiewvu]

Huggy Bear is 0-5 against Gonzaga including 0-2 in the tournament at WVU. He probably isn't the best one to open his mouth. Lmao.

Maybe, Maybe Not. Pretending what he said is some how false will make you look like an imbecile.

Don’t make yourself look like an imbecile.

 

[ralphiewvu]

ACC? The B1G is 8-2 with 3 ties in the B1G/ACC challenge between the conferences in the last 13 years. Don't sleep on the B1G.

Nice, nether is touching the B12 the last few years.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Imagine thinking a program that has made 7 straight S16's, 4 E8's, 2 FF's, and 2 NCG's in those 7 years, would have trouble competing in the B12. Lmao. I hope it happens. A conference with KU, Baylor, Houston and Gonzaga would be pretty incredible. Plus, you'd have other really solid programs in TTU, WVU, Oklahoma State, ISU, BYU, Cincy, TCU. Would make for an incredible league and top to bottom the best league year in and year out.

There is a large difference between playing consistently Santa Clara and Portland and St Mary’s and Pepperdine to all the teams you just mentioned Without even mentioning KU or Baylor. Again pretending what Huggins said is false is what imbeciles do.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Buddy, I don’t disagree with your comment that a team like Gonzaga likely would go something like 28-6 in a conference like the Big 12. But you know what 28-6 gets you when you play in the toughest conference in the entire country? It gets you a one seed just like it did for Baylor (26-6) and Kansas (28-6) last year. The committee will take strength of schedule into consideration as they dang well should.

Huggy Bear should probably keep his mouth shut and focus on his own team. Gonzaga is legit.

This Ain’t the WCC, Huggy is absolutely right and people that say differently are imbeciles.

 

[CoalTrain]

The B12 is the toughest basketball conference, No matter what Tobacco Road and all it’s bandwagon UNC and Duke fans want to say.

Agree 100%, the ACC is good too but I’ll be shocked if the Zags have near the success that they have had in whatever conference they play in.
Though, with Texas and OU leaving it WILL get at least a little easier so.. we’ll see I guess. Good move for both parties iyam.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Agree 100%, the ACC is good too but I’ll be shocked if the Zags have near the success that they have had in whatever conference they play in now. They may be solid eventually but that league is a meat grinder.

I still hate the avy btw……

 

[CoalTrain]

I still hate the avy btw……

How can ya hate a baby face like that?

 

[Deep Creek]

Agree 100%, the ACC is good too but I’ll be shocked if the Zags have near the success that they have had in whatever conference they play in.
Though, with Texas and OU leaving it WILL get at least a little easier so.. we’ll see I guess. Good move for both parties iyam.

Texas and OU haven’t been the standard bearers in Big 12 hoops so them leaving won’t have as big of an impact as football. Bringing in Houston makes the hoops schedule at least as difficult if not more. (Now that I think about it, Texas football hasn’t been the standard bearer either….at least in a good in a while.) Both haven’t been “bad” by any means. But neither of them are among the three that have been in the NCAA final games the past few years.

 

[ericd7633]

There is a large difference between playing consistently Santa Clara and Portland and St Mary’s and Pepperdine to all the teams you just mentioned Without even mentioning KU or Baylor. Again pretending what Huggins said is false is what imbeciles do.

Yeah, there obviously is a big difference. Gonzaga is also a top 5ish program the last 10 years. It's not like they only had a gaudy record because of the WCC. They've won 75% of their games against P5 competition the last 5 years, and like 90% of those games are against quality P5 programs(tournament caliber). They obviously wouldn't roll through the league like they do the WCC, but they'd still be in contention for #1 seeds because the quality of the program is at that level. So if being in for a "rude awakening" means going 24-6 instead of 27-3 in the regular season, then yeah, I guess he's right.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yeah, there obviously is a big difference. Gonzaga is also a top 5ish program the last 10 years. It's not like they only had a gaudy record because of the WCC. They've won 75% of their games against P5 competition the last 5 years, and like 90% of those games are against quality P5 programs(tournament caliber). They obviously wouldn't roll through the league like they do the WCC, but they'd still be in contention for #1 seeds because the quality of the program is at that level. So if being in for a "rude awakening" means going 24-6 instead of 27-3 in the regular season, then yeah, I guess he's right.

No one is denying they wouldn’t be competitive. Pretending it’s not a rude awakening playing actual tourney teams weekly instead of twice a year in conference is kidding themselves.

And those years they are in rebuild/reload mode, its not impossible to think they could lose 10 games. Huggins was just stating what most people know.

 

[ericd7633]

No one is denying they wouldn’t be competitive. Pretending it’s not a rude awakening playing actual tourney teams weekly instead of twice a year in conference is kidding themselves.

And those years they are in rebuild/reload mode, its not impossible to think they could lose 10 games. Huggins was just stating what most people know.

They are 9-2 against the B12 since the '16/'17 season, and all of them were tournament teams. They challenge themselves more than just about any team in the non conference. And they've only had one rebuilding year in the last decade ('13-'14), as long as Few is there, they reload. If they join the B12, they will likely soften up the OOC, get their usual 1/2 losses and then get 4/5 losses in B12 play, and get a 1 or 2 seed like they would have gotten 6 out of the last 8 year's if there was a tournament in 2020. Yeah, the competition would be MUCH more difficult, my point is their program is too good right now where it would effect them all that much. Honestly, it'd be a hell of a league. I hope it happens. Bring in one more bball school and have 12 fball members and 14 bball members.

 

[ralphiewvu]

They are 9-2 against the B12 since the '16/'17 season, and all of them were tournament teams. They challenge themselves more than just about any team in the non conference. And they've only had one rebuilding year in the last decade ('13-'14), as long as Few is there, they reload. If they join the B12, they will likely soften up the OOC, get their usual 1/2 losses and then get 4/5 losses in B12 play, and get a 1 or 2 seed like they would have gotten 6 out of the last 8 year's if there was a tournament in 2020. Yeah, the competition would be MUCH more difficult, my point is their program is too good right now where it would effect them all that much. Honestly, it'd be a hell of a league. I hope it happens. Bring in one more bball school and have 12 fball members and 14 bball members.

Again, it’s a large difference playing in a tournament compared to most of your regular season schedule night after night. And it really depends on the year if a 6/8 loss team gets a 1 seed. Sure if they win the conference tourney with 6 losses they probably would. If they don’t with those 6 loses it’s not a guarantee.

I have no doubt it’d be a helluva league and I think they would do well in it. I just don’t think it would work long term. Eventually something will get disagreed on in a big way allowing someone like the PAC (or even the ACC) to come in and poach teams.

 

[ericd7633]

Again, it’s a large difference playing in a tournament compared to most of your regular season schedule night after night. And it really depends on the year if a 6/8 loss team gets a 1 seed. Sure if they win the conference tourney with 6 losses they probably would. If they don’t with those 6 loses it’s not a guarantee.

I have no doubt it’d be a helluva league and I think they would do well in it. I just don’t think it would work long term. Eventually something will get disagreed on in a big way allowing someone like the PAC (or even the ACC) to come in and poach teams.

There would be a big difference in competition. Totally agree there. I just don't think they'd be in for an awakening because they've played great competition for a while now and have played in huge games.

There's been a bunch of instances where 6 losas teams have gotten 1 seed, heck even 7 loss teams have gotten 1 seeds, which I think has happened like 4 times in the last decade. And it would take a 2/3 loss Gonzaga team out of the equation assuming they would have 4-6 losses or so in the B12. Like you said, depends on the year, but on avg. you're probably looking at 1/2 teams per year with 6 losses getting on the 1 line. Unless it's a ridiculously top-heavy year like 2015.

I actually like what the B12 has done. Seems like there is stability, with room to perhaps grow. I'd love to see the AZ schools join. Would be another great bball add with Arizona.

 

[ralphiewvu]

There would be a big difference in competition. Totally agree there. I just don't think they'd be in for an awakening because they've played great competition for a while now and have played in huge games.

There's been a bunch of instances where 6 losas teams have gotten 1 seed, heck even 7 loss teams have gotten 1 seeds, which I think has happened like 4 times in the last decade. And it would take a 2/3 loss Gonzaga team out of the equation assuming they would have 4-6 losses or so in the B12. Like you said, depends on the year, but on avg. you're probably looking at 1/2 teams per year with 6 losses getting on the 1 line. Unless it's a ridiculously top-heavy year like 2015.

I actually like what the B12 has done. Seems like there is stability, with room to perhaps grow. I'd love to see the AZ schools join. Would be another great bball add with Arizona.

Consistently would Be the difference. Sure they’ve played in some big games. Playing them weekly though along with some pretty heavy travel compared to what they have now is something different. That’s where I think Huggs was coming from. I don’t think he was suggesting they would be bottom of the league yearly.

It does depend on the year but if a 6 loss team doesn’t even make their conference championship I see it as hard for them to over come that to get a 1 seed. But as we both agree, it depends on the year.

Az and ASU are absolutely welcome adds. Gets us a great basketball program, and a potential sleeping giant in football. Plus the western time zone. Would love for them to jump even with the distance from us but I don’t see them doing it unless they are forced to.

 

[CoalTrain]

Texas and OU haven’t been the standard bearers in Big 12 hoops so them leaving won’t have as big of an impact as football. Bringing in Houston makes the hoops schedule at least as difficult if not more. (Now that I think about it, Texas football hasn’t been the standard bearer either….at least in a good in a while.) Both haven’t been “bad” by any means. But neither of them are among the three that have been in the NCAA final games the past few years.

They aren’t the cream of the crop every year but OU and Texas DO tend to have talented players and coaches to where if you drop your guard just a bit then it’s a loss. I mean think about that, the university of Oklahoma and Texas are the solid/good teams most years… that says something about the conference and it’s depth

 

[Wishbone]

Oklahoma does have a number of final fours in basketball. Also fairly recent National Players of the Year in Blake Griffin, Buddy Hield, and Tre Young.

 

[NinerSpartan]

it has been twenty two years since a Big Ten team won the NCAA tournament, btw

 

[Thiefery]

They are 9-2 against the B12 since the '16/'17 season, and all of them were tournament teams. They challenge themselves more than just about any team in the non conference. And they've only had one rebuilding year in the last decade ('13-'14), as long as Few is there, they reload. If they join the B12, they will likely soften up the OOC, get their usual 1/2 losses and then get 4/5 losses in B12 play, and get a 1 or 2 seed like they would have gotten 6 out of the last 8 year's if there was a tournament in 2020. Yeah, the competition would be MUCH more difficult, my point is their program is too good right now where it would effect them all that much. Honestly, it'd be a hell of a league. I hope it happens. Bring in one more bball school and have 12 fball members and 14 bball members.

the early OOC games/tournaments are solid wins but they are early in a season.. teams are much different by the time they are thick into the conference schedule. It's going to be a challenge for them, Big12 as a whole have many bluechip players.. even for teams like Texas who struggled with Shaka.. they had a run of bluechips like Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, Kai Jones, Greg Brown, etc..

Judging it based on how they fared in March vs Big12 teams isn't a key indicator on how well they will do once they enter conference play. UH will also struggle a bit too with the conference grind. This league with UT/ou or without UT/ou is the best and hardest in the country.

 

[ericd7633]

it has been twenty two years since a Big Ten team won the NCAA tournament, btw

Gophers sure as hell aren't going to break that streak so I hope it continues. I lmao every year when the B1G doesn't win it.

 

[ericd7633]

the early OOC games/tournaments are solid wins but they are early in a season.. teams are much different by the time they are thick into the conference schedule. It's going to be a challenge for them, Big12 as a whole have many bluechip players.. even for teams like Texas who struggled with Shaka.. they had a run of bluechips like Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, Kai Jones, Greg Brown, etc..

Judging it based on how they fared in March vs Big12 teams isn't a key indicator on how well they will do once they enter conference play. UH will also struggle a bit too with the conference grind. This league with UT/ou or without UT/ou is the best and hardest in the country.

When else are they going to be able to challenge themselves outside of the tournament? It has to be early in the season. Is Gonzaga not allowed to improve like other team's are? There is a lot of pressure on them to win those games because if they don't, they don't have the opportunity for a lot of Q1/Q2 wins. If they would have lost to Texas and TTU last year, they are probably a 4/5 seed. The WCC allows them to have a gaudy record, but the early season P5 wins, allows them to get their high seeds every year.

The competition is obviously a big step up, but they are basically Kansas and Baylor without the title the last 7/8 years.