Bo Nix

I can't defend the Pac12 based on wins/losses but if you watch them, they look a lot better than many of the other leagues (notably B1G other than Michigan and Ohio State).

The Pac12 also has a lot of depth. Even teams like Oregon State, Washington State, or Stanford can be dangerous to you. Records are not always everything.

Then again, I do think some ACC schools are good as well. Problem with ACC is that they are inconsistent. I do think NC State and Syracuse were frauds but I think Wake Forest is a pretty good team for example that has had bad games.
I do have to agree with that statement. As far as PAC 12, goes, UCLA loses at home to Arizona and barely gets by South Alabama, the second most points Oregon State gave up this season (with a win) was to... Montana State, Washington lost to Arizona State, and Arizona State lost to Eastern Michigan.

I really do feel the ACC is down, way down. On paper, even Duke looks great, but they have not beaten a team with a winning record (I think).
 
As will the ACC any year Clemson isn't good. What is your point?

Point all along is that the Pac 12 is garbage.

Florida is loaded with recruits my man. Just a matter of time. Clemson has been dominate almost half the time FSU was. Took them awhile to take over FSU’s reign too. Should be interesting to watch those 2 teams the next 5 years
 
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I do have to agree with that statement. As far as PAC 12, goes, UCLA loses at home to Arizona and barely gets by South Alabama, the second most points Oregon State gave up this season (with a win) was to... Montana State, Washington lost to Arizona State, and Arizona State lost to Eastern Michigan.

I really do feel the ACC is down, way down. On paper, even Duke looks great, but they have not beaten a team with a winning record (I think).

Both conferences suck. But to claim 1 would
dominate the other is laughable. Especially when you look at the OOC games already played
 
Both conferences suck. But to claim 1 would
dominate the other is laughable. Especially when you look at the OOC games already played
You are the same Jack Wagon that pimped FSU back in the day. You constantly said Oregon plays soft etc…. Then Oregon blew out FSU in the playoffs and you disappeared. Now you are back spouting the same schidt, but with different team.
 
Point all along is that the Pac 12 is garbage.

Florida is loaded with recruits my man. Just a matter of time. Clemson has been dominate almost half the time FSU was. Took them awhile to take over FSU’s reign too. Should be interesting to watch those 2 teams the next 5 years
Yes, I'm sure Clemson is truly worried about the Florida State team they've beaten 7 years in a row. The same FSU team that has had a grand total of 3 seasons in the past 20 years where they finished with less than 3 losses in a season. The same FSU team who consistently brig in recruiting classes in the top 20-25 range, while Clemson brings in top 10 classes.

It isn't the 90's anymore. Bobby Bowden is dead. Hell -- the #1 recruit in the nation from your own backyard chose to go to a HBCU school over Florida State.

Clemson is on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LEVEL than any team in the ACC.
 
I do have to agree with that statement. As far as PAC 12, goes, UCLA loses at home to Arizona and barely gets by South Alabama, the second most points Oregon State gave up this season (with a win) was to... Montana State, Washington lost to Arizona State, and Arizona State lost to Eastern Michigan.

I really do feel the ACC is down, way down. On paper, even Duke looks great, but they have not beaten a team with a winning record (I think).

UNC being 9-1 tells you all you should know about the ACC. Can't think of a worse 9-1 team ive ever seen from memory, like over half their wins are 7 point or under wins against bums.
 
You are the same Jack Wagon that pimped FSU back in the day. You constantly said Oregon plays soft etc…. Then Oregon blew out FSU in the playoffs and you disappeared. Now you are back spouting the same schidt, but with different team.

Lolol. The super bowl for Oregon. You did it!!
And then got popped in the mouth by Ohio st.


Now wanna look at your trophy case?
 
UNC being 9-1 tells you all you should know about the ACC. Can't think of a worse 9-1 team ive ever seen from memory, like over half their wins are 7 point or under wins against bums.

At the end of the Wake Forest game Saturday ESPN was talking about "how impressive UNC has been on the road".....

2 point win @ wake forest
3 point win @ Virginia
3 point win @ Duke
3 point win. @ Miami
7 point win @ Georgia State
2 point win @ App State

Oh yea very impressive.
 
Yes, I'm sure Clemson is truly worried about the Florida State team they've beaten 7 years in a row. The same FSU team that has had a grand total of 3 seasons in the past 20 years where they finished with less than 3 losses in a season. The same FSU team who consistently brig in recruiting classes in the top 20-25 range, while Clemson brings in top 10 classes.

It isn't the 90's anymore. Bobby Bowden is dead. Hell -- the #1 recruit in the nation from your own backyard chose to go to a HBCU school over Florida State.

Clemson is on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LEVEL than any team in the ACC.


Nice novel for saying what I said. Lol

“It took Clemson a bit to take the reigns.” Baby steps but FSU will catch up.

How’s aTm doing with all the 5 stars? Hell Clemson ain’t even doing great.
 
Both conferences suck. But to claim 1 would
dominate the other is laughable. Especially when you look at the OOC games already played
Yeah. FSU beating LSU and then UNC gets stomped by Notre Dame as well as Clemson. Miami losing to MTSU and Texas A&M raises some eyebrows... well sorta. Georgia Tech playing Ole Miss but losing badly. Wake played Liberty and Virginia Tech has to. Is that saying that much? A few decent OOC games are there, but the wins aren't.
 
ACC has A LOT of potential. In fact back in 2004 after Miami and Virginia Tech jump ship to the ACC, most were talking about the ACC surpassing the SEC.

FSU and Miami were CFB power houses at that time. Clemson was up and coming (although no one envisioned them where they got under Dabo), Maryland and NC State were coming off 10 win seasons and Georgia Tech wasn't a laughing stock back then like they are now.

ACC has great recruiting areas with the Carolinas, Virginia, Pennslyvania, and Florida. They got access to most of the big East Coast markets including New York, Boston, Washington DC, Miami, Tampa, Charleston, Raleigh, etc. The ACC SHOULD be better than they are on the field.

ACC also had a lot of NFL prospects come out of it. I feel like a lot of ACC teams look like Texas. Texas year-in and year-out has good games where they look like a legit top 10 type program and then they have other games like Texas Tech where they fall flat on their face and look horrid. Most ACC schools, not named Clemson, do the same thing.

However, the elephant in the room has been FSU and Miami. Neither have looked anything like their 1990s counter-parts since 2004. FSU had a good run early on with Jimbo and plummeted while Miami has been a desert for 20 years now. The last time Miami was good was literally when Tennessee was good prior to Heupel which was early 2000s time frame.
 
Nice novel for saying what I said. Lol

“It took Clemson a bit to take the reigns.” Baby steps but FSU will catch up.

How’s aTm doing with all the 5 stars? Hell Clemson ain’t even doing great.
Clemson definitely isn't that good this year. Yet they are still the class of the ACC.
 
Clemson definitely isn't that good this year. Yet they are still the class of the ACC.

That is the problem. Of course it depends on your definition. I would call Clemson a "good" team but not a "great" team. Great is playoff contender, good is top 25. Clemson is a top 10 team this year but probably a 6-10 ranged team.
 
Lolol. The super bowl for Oregon. You did it!!
And then got popped in the mouth by Ohio st.


Now wanna look at your trophy case?
So it is you - blubbering idiot.
 
ACC has A LOT of potential. In fact back in 2004 after Miami and Virginia Tech jump ship to the ACC, most were talking about the ACC surpassing the SEC.

FSU and Miami were CFB power houses at that time. Clemson was up and coming (although no one envisioned them where they got under Dabo), Maryland and NC State were coming off 10 win seasons and Georgia Tech wasn't a laughing stock back then like they are now.

ACC has great recruiting areas with the Carolinas, Virginia, Pennslyvania, and Florida. They got access to most of the big East Coast markets including New York, Boston, Washington DC, Miami, Tampa, Charleston, Raleigh, etc. The ACC SHOULD be better than they are on the field.

ACC also had a lot of NFL prospects come out of it. I feel like a lot of ACC teams look like Texas. Texas year-in and year-out has good games where they look like a legit top 10 type program and then they have other games like Texas Tech where they fall flat on their face and look horrid. Most ACC schools, not named Clemson, do the same thing.

However, the elephant in the room has been FSU and Miami. Neither have looked anything like their 1990s counter-parts since 2004. FSU had a good run early on with Jimbo and plummeted while Miami has been a desert for 20 years now. The last time Miami was good was literally when Tennessee was good prior to Heupel which was early 2000s time frame.

Crazy Miami still hasn’t won an ACC ship. Miami FSU programs both gonna get a lot better here soon.

Tennessee is a good example.

What happens when Saban walks away? It’s gonna happen. Clemson won’t get all the studs in Florida as well. Balance is coming or at least I hope haha
 
Clemson definitely isn't that good this year. Yet they are still the class of the ACC.

Clemson still loaded. QB is the issue. Hell look at Lawrence in the NFL now. He’s average
 
Crazy Miami still hasn’t won an ACC ship. Miami FSU programs both gonna get a lot better here soon.

Tennessee is a good example.

What happens when Saban walks away? It’s gonna happen. Clemson won’t get all the studs in Florida as well. Balance is coming or at least I hope haha

Clemson getting weak helps Tennessee a lot because they have taken a lot of prospects from Tennessee with Dabo (granted half of that was Tennessee as well because a few of the prospects wanted to go to Tennessee but were not recruited well).

FSU and Miami may still have to recruit against Georgia and Florida. Auburn is also in the picture and Tennessee gets a few prospects here and there from Florida. Another school that recruits Florida is Ohio State.
 
And then there is the Oregon trophy case.


Indeed
you do know schools put things like Conference championships and bowl trophys and player trophies in there right? Pac 12 titles. rose and fiesta bowls. Heisman
its not empty
 
Clemson getting weak helps Tennessee a lot because they have taken a lot of prospects from Tennessee with Dabo (granted half of that was Tennessee as well because a few of the prospects wanted to go to Tennessee but were not recruited well).

FSU and Miami may still have to recruit against Georgia and Florida. Auburn is also in the picture and Tennessee gets a few prospects here and there from Florida. Another school that recruits Florida is Ohio State.

True but Florida is loaded so they’ve always supplied the big boys. Tennessee Ohio st and Auburn get a small piece of FL and if Saban leaves that’s gonna change a lot of programs focus
 
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