Man, SEC. It Does Mean More...

Deep Creek said:
Will interest in college football decrease in areas other than the SEC and B1G when the revenue gap gets wider and wider?
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Frankly, it already has and some of if it is mutual. Areas like the Northeast have always preferred Pro over College and this is why they don't have very strong programs historically and programs in that area have continued to decline and have less fan support (Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, etc.).

The West Coasts might be the region where College Sports are getting hit the hardest but I am not sure conference realignment is the cause.

EDIT: 12-team playoff will grow the sport, IMO because it will open the door to more Cinderellas which will happen.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Most of the most watched games week to week involve SEC and B1G teams as it is even now I believe
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I’m sure they are…especially their games between “headliners”. Even their Kentucky-Mizzou and Rutgers -Purdue type games probably draw more than similar games in the other conferences. But those are more “tallest midget” comparisons.

I was thinking more along the lines of retaining interest in the casual CFB fan in places like Colleville, WA, or Corning, NY?
 
osubuckeye89 said:
It's easy to say things like this when Bama LSU and Tennessee all beat meh teams in their second rate bowl games.

Ohio State & Michigan probably look pretty good too if they were playing Clemson and Kansas State in Bowls.

The matchups in the 12 team playoff will be a lot tougher.
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Like Oregon that should have lost to UNC or
USC who did lose to Tulane
Utah that lost to Florida
Clemson who got thumped by Tenn
KSU who got thumped by Bama

I just don't see the 12 team playoff being any tougher than what we saw on the field in the bowls.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Like Oregon that should have lost to UNC or
USC who did lose to Tulane
Utah that lost to Florida
Clemson who got thumped by Tenn
KSU who got thumped by Bama

I just don't see the 12 team playoff being any tougher than what we saw on the field in the bowls.
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SC could have gotten demolished by more.. but the brand itself would have had more eyeballs tuned into the game than TCU did..

Also, if they roll out the first rd of the CFP a week after the CCG games, outcomes could be a lot more closer than having a month rest for the semis, then following it with a 10 day gap for the final.

Interest will be high
 
Thiefery said:
SC could have gotten demolished by more.. but the brand itself would have had more eyeballs tuned into the game than TCU did..

Also, if they roll out the first rd of the CFP a week after the CCG games, outcomes could be a lot more closer than having a month rest for the semis, then following it with a 10 day gap for the final.

Interest will be high
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I'm not saying the interest won't be high or that it won't get ratings the post I was responding to said it would get tougher than the bowl games for a 12 team playoff and my point is that isn't true.

Half the games are going to be blowouts, 1/4 will be solid wins and another 1/4 will be competitive or surprising.

When South Carolina takes ND to the wire its not going to get tougher for the SEC teams just because you put them in the playoff and in fact in many cases I'm going to say it will get easier strictly from the fact that many times because 2 teams get in the playoffs we have our 3rd and 4th best teams playing against conference champions in the bowls.

It simply will not be tougher you will just get more SEC teams into the final 4.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Frankly, it already has and some of if it is mutual. Areas like the Northeast have always preferred Pro over College and this is why they don't have very strong programs historically and programs in that area have continued to decline and have less fan support (Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, etc.).

The West Coasts might be the region where College Sports are getting hit the hardest but I am not sure conference realignment is the cause.

EDIT: 12-team playoff will grow the sport, IMO because it will open the door to more Cinderellas which will happen.
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I doubt cinderella ever wins or even gets to the final 4 let alone the final very often if ever though in the 12 team playoff. Football is VERY different from Basketball.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I doubt cinderella ever wins or even gets to the final 4 let alone the final very often if ever though in the 12 team playoff. Football is VERY different from Basketball.
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They will get to Final Fours or Championship Games. Hell TCU did it this year. I don't see them winning it all though and agree with that. They don't win it all in Basketball either for the most part:

1. Butler - Probably best MCBB Cinderella made it 2x but didn't win
2. George Mason - Made FF
3. Davidson - Made Elite 8
4. VCU - Made FF
5. FGCU - Made FF
6. Gonzaga - Cinderella to Elite 8 but built up program over years. They have title but by the time they won it, they were arguably not a Cinderella. Closest comparison in Football to Gonzaga would be Boise State.
7. Valparaiso - Elite 8
8. Loyola - Final 4


Those are the pretty much the memorable Cinderella. We already have evidence of the possibility in football with Boise State, Cincinnati, Utah (prior to Pac12), TCU, UCF, Tulane, Liberty, and others making splashes. It won't happen every year (nor does it in MBB) but we are going to get that kind of feel with a 12-team playoff. Heck, we already have two arguable Cinderellas the past couple of seasons in Cincinnati and TCU.
 
Volbound1700 said:
They will get to Final Fours or Championship Games. Hell TCU did it this year. I don't see them winning it all though and agree with that. They don't win it all in Basketball either for the most part:

1. Butler - Probably best MCBB Cinderella made it 2x but didn't win
2. George Mason - Made FF
3. Davidson - Made Elite 8
4. VCU - Made FF
5. FGCU - Made FF
6. Gonzaga - Cinderella to Elite 8 but built up program over years. They have title but by the time they won it, they were arguably not a Cinderella. Closest comparison in Football to Gonzaga would be Boise State.
7. Valparaiso - Elite 8
8. Loyola - Final 4


Those are the pretty much the memorable Cinderella. We already have evidence of the possibility in football with Boise State, Cincinnati, Utah (prior to Pac12), TCU, UCF, Tulane, Liberty, and others making splashes. It won't happen every year (nor does it in MBB) but we are going to get that kind of feel with a 12-team playoff. Heck, we already have two arguable Cinderellas the past couple of seasons in Cincinnati and TCU.
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TCU and Cincinnati automatically were in the final 4, they didn't have to win a game or two to get there. Whole different ball game when those teams have to win a couple games in a row against the big boys. Hell TCU is a prime example of what happens when a team like that has to play 2 upper level teams in a row.
 
Boise State is still the biggest sham ever, their "signature win" was against a fucking very meh Big 12 champ Oklahoma and they needed some circus high school shit to win it.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
TCU and Cincinnati automatically were in the final 4, they didn't have to win a game or two to get there. Whole different ball game when those teams have to win a couple games in a row against the big boys. Hell TCU is a prime example of what happens when a team like that has to play 2 upper level teams in a row.
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Not a good case because TCU beat Michigan. That totally defeats your argument.

Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bowl game and beat a very good Georgia team.

UCF beat Auburn in 2017.

Utah beat Alabama in 2008.

Tulane beat USC this past year.

It is going to happen.

If you had a 12-team playoff this year, you would probably see several upsets. The only constant would have been Georgia winning it all.

Now when it comes to the National Champion, I would agree that a Cinderalla probably won't do that but that is no different than Men's Basketball.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Boise State is still the biggest sham ever, their "signature win" was against a fucking very meh Big 12 champ Oklahoma and they needed some circus high school shit to win it.
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Yes but that meh Big12 Champion will be a team in the 12-team playoff and would likely be upset by Boise State which would create that Cinderella run. You are going to have that questionable team against the Cinderella and that upset.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Yes but that meh Big12 Champion will be a team in the 12-team playoff and would likely be upset by Boise State which would create that Cinderella run. You are going to have that questionable team against the Cinderella and that upset.
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1 win does not = a cinderella run

Boise State likely beat Oklahoma in round 1 then gets bulldozed by Bama/Georgia/Ohio State/Etc in round 2.
 
I get both viewpoints. I know that the Cinderella story happens more in basketball, but how many of us would give Tulane a shot? They did beat both Kansas State (it was early season though) and Southern Cal. These three teams would have been in the playoff (I guess, is that correct?). I am not saying that Tulane's path would have had them face both Kansas State and Southern Cal, but hey Tulane, "Good on ya".

I am not so worried about two teams, or even three teams from this conference or that conference being in the final 8 or 4 or whatever. Just good, close bowl games. I mean, damn, the B1G had two teams in the CFP this past season. Neither made it.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
1 win does not = a cinderella run

Boise State likely beat Oklahoma in round 1 then gets bulldozed by Bama/Georgia/Ohio State/Etc in round 2.
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In football it will because there will be only 4 rounds anyways (including title game). Basically you are in the Elite 8 by winning 1 game.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Not a good case because TCU beat Michigan. That totally defeats your argument.

Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bowl game and beat a very good Georgia team.

UCF beat Auburn in 2017.

Utah beat Alabama in 2008.

Tulane beat USC this past year.

It is going to happen.

If you had a 12-team playoff this year, you would probably see several upsets. The only constant would have been Georgia winning it all.

Now when it comes to the National Champion, I would agree that a Cinderalla probably won't do that but that is no different than Men's Basketball.
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Meaningless bowl games to the "favored" team.

Completely different ball game when it actually matters in a playoff.
 
I would not exactly call beating a meh conference champion in round 1 and then getting steamrolled by one of the top 4 in round 2 a "cinderella run"
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Meaningless bowl games to the "favored" team.

Completely different ball game when it actually matters in a playoff.
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I see the word "meaningless" and I see more SEC teams from that list than any other conference. Does it mean more in the SEC? Or not?
 
Collegefbfan said:
I see the word "meaningless" and I see more SEC teams from that list than any other conference. Does it mean more in the SEC? Or not?
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I would HATE to draw the G5 team in a NY6 game.

You know your players are meh about it and it's the fucking superbowl for the G5 team.

Unless its a complete fucking clear mismatch where it's obvious the G5 has no chance, like the UGA/Hawaii game, The Florida State/Northern Illinois Orange Bowl and the Florida/Cincinnati Sugar Bowl
 
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