I will go a step further. Do you think Kirby Smart at Auburn would out recruit Alabama and Georgia (with whatever coach they would replace him with)? I would give you 10-1 odds for any amount of money, that Auburn would finish behind both Georgia and Alabama in recruiting every year.
Nah, I’m saying no coach is ever gonna win a natty at a school like Iowa State, and location is important, but think Kirby or Saban with their current reputations couldn’t go to any school and greatly improve their recruiting classes is wrong.You do realize that those school don't have all the bells and whistles he has at Georgia. Those schools don't have the blank check to do what he pleases with the program, right? Or do you think Iowa State also gives every single player on the team a base of $50,000 to do "charity work"?
At those schools without talent in or around the school -- you don't have blue chip kids helping recruit other blue chip kids. At those schools, you don't have the bag man handing out cash, as Georgia fans admitted on here they did prior to NIL.
You seem to think CFB is a level playing field and Kirby Smart is just selling these kids on the experience and education of Georgia.
Not Alabama as long as Saban’s there, but I can guarantee you that you’d never see an Auburn recruiting class outside of the top 10 as long as Kirby is there(and he almost was there).
Without a doubt. There was a time before Saban when Auburn was out recruiting Bama every year
Absolutely Saban and Smart would out recruit Harsin in that situation. (So would several others.) But I highly doubt either would out recruit a Harsin at Bama if either one were at Cal or Iowa State (or any similar schools).
I'm not saying Kirby isn't a good coahch. I just said, in terms of actual coaching, what Sonny Dykes did at TCU is much more impressive than what Kirby did at Georgia. Swap spots and give Kirby TCU's roster and I bet you they aren't in the national championship game.
This. I don't think people realize how big home state talent is in today's game. These kids are in contact with each other all time with social media. They communicate daily, weekly, etc. 5 star CB Will Johnson, who is from Michigan, almost got fellow 5 star CB Domani Jackson to leave the sun in California to go come to Michigan, just so they could play together.
It ain’t just in state or proximal talent. It is historic name brand, AND a good coach. Chewy and fish are right with that part. Far too many examples of schools that have all the built in advantages and yet had coaches that screwed up those advantages. Most recent being Texas, USC, etc. If it were in state talent only, Baylor, TCU and eveN my guys would be just as high as Texas and A&M.
Meh. I’d say winning a natty is infinitely more impressive than losing the NCG by 58 points. Hell, Vandy didn’t lose that bad to UGA this year
You think they could pull in top 10 classes to Lubbock? I live 90 miles from Lubbock and it ain’t easy to recruit to this part of the world for anything… with the exception of oilfield workers. And those come only because of the salaries!
Without a doubt you need all of the above, but unless you have the in state and proximal talent, in today's CFB -- you aren't winning a national title. And yes -- in state's like California, Texas, Florida, there is a hierarchy of teams in those states. That is what makes Georgia's situation the most beneficial in all of CFB right now. They produces more top 100 recruits than both California and Florida now and are close to the level of Texas, with only one major P5 program. Imagine how good Texas would be if it was just Texas in the state and they got to hand pick all the top recruits from the state -- that's Georgia situation right now.
You are more optimistic than I am. Joey McGuire is working his ass off to get to where they are right now. He's got connections to Texas HS coaches but not a lot nationally. It is difficult as hell to recruit to West Texas. It ain't for everyone.
We aren't as good as we used to be IMHO. One of our biggest assets has turned negative to a certain degree. We have a lot of programs that develop kids so well in grades 7-12 that they are about as good as they are going to get when they are seniors. Some programs rival what the colleges have. The fruit that is ripe for development is in places that don't have such programs.
I could see the logic in Saban and Smart being able to bring at a place like Tech (and other more difficult places to recruit) AFTER the success they've had. I just don't see them being able to do it if Tech or some similar school is their first P5 head coaching gig. Their past success and reputation would provide the cache needed to bring in a top 5 recruiting class. But if it was their very first job without that successful history, I don't think so.