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[Deep Creek]

Big12 will be fine because as of now and the foreseeable future, maybe outside of KU, nobody wants any of those schools in future expansions

Hell no they don't. If other conferences did they'd of already gone after them.

That ain't my point. My point is, while the Big 12 (and the ACC) will "survive", there is no way in hell they'll be considered a "Power" conference with that kind of revenue gap.

 

[Thiefery]

Hell no they don't. If other conferences did they'd of already gone after them.

That ain't my point. My point is, while the Big 12 (and the ACC) will "survive", there is no way in hell they'll be considered a "Power" conference with that kind of revenue gap.

yes but if they ever decide to be smart and form a 65 school power football league.. many of the current big 12 and ACC would be a part of that..

 

[Deep Creek]

yes but if they ever decide to be smart and form a 65 school power football league.. many of the current big 12 and ACC would be a part of that..

You honestly think the 32 brand names in the B1G and the SEC want to share more revenue with teams like K-State, TCU, Wake Forest, Pitt, etc? They are already carrying some just like those in their current conferences. Why add more sucklings to the titties?

 

[Thiefery]

You honestly think the 32 brand names in the B1G and the SEC want to share more revenue with teams like K-State, TCU, Wake Forest, Pitt, etc? They are already carrying some just like those in their current conferences. Why add more sucklings to the titties?

it won't be equal shares

 

[CorpRebel]

You honestly think the 32 brand names in the B1G and the SEC want to share more revenue with teams like K-State, TCU, Wake Forest, Pitt, etc? They are already carrying some just like those in their current conferences. Why add more sucklings to the titties?

Spoiler: heh heh

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

more G5 than P5 by adding 2? when Big XII added 4?
what basis would there be to view it that way? because no UCLA or USC? there were plenty of years where those 2 were down and the Pac champ was still in the top 5-10

Let's be real ... we are kind of comparing midgets. But, adding UCF, Houston, Cincy and BYU is light years ahead of SDSU and SMU. B12 seems much more competent to me.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

ion is available nation wide on most every basic cable package.

ION v. ESPN. Which one do you think a recruit is get excited about being on?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

That's why I don't see a P4. In football, they'll be so far behind on revenue they won't even be considered with the other two. The Big 12 will look more like the Mountain West and the ACC will look more like the Sun Belt. After a few years of significant revenue difference, even their other sports will decline. JMO.

I hear you ... I think it will be more like a P2, Little P2, G5. There is a difference between the teams in the ACC and the B12 and then the 5 G5 conferences. As bad as the money is for the ACC and B12, it's way ahead of the G5, I believe.

 

[Deep Creek]

it won't be equal shares

How will they be divided? Right now Rutgers gets the same share as Ohio State. When a Pitt or Syracuse are included in the 65, does Rutgers continue to get a share equal to Ohio State or will their's drop to one closer to what Pitt and Syracuse get?

 

[Deep Creek]

I hear you ... I think it will be more like a P2, Little P2, G5. There is a difference between the teams in the ACC and the B12 and then the 5 G5 conferences. As bad as the money is for the ACC and B12, it's way ahead of the G5, I believe.

It will be for a while. But don't you think that revenue gap will shrink in the direction of G5 money after a few years? Much to the chagrin of FSU and Clemson, which teams draw big audiences on their own....without playing another big or bigger name?

 

[OlyDuck]

I hear you ... I think it will be more like a P2, Little P2, G5. There is a difference between the teams in the ACC and the B12 and then the 5 G5 conferences. As bad as the money is for the ACC and B12, it's way ahead of the G5, I believe.

that isnt saying much G5 schools get pennies.
MW gets like 4 mill
AAC gets like 7 mill
Mac less than 1 mill
CUSA about .5 mill
Sun Belt about .5 mill also

so people saying 25 would put Pac at G5 level are way off too.

 

[OlyDuck]

Let's be real ... we are kind of comparing midgets. But, adding UCF, Houston, Cincy and BYU is light years ahead of SDSU and SMU. B12 seems much more competent to me.

but to say Pac is more G5 at this point or if they added those 2 vs the fact that Big 12 is legit 1/3 recent G5?

 

[OlyDuck]

ION v. ESPN. Which one do you think a recruit is get excited about being on?

national TV is National TV.
still more people with ION than the Pac 12 network

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

It will be for a while. But don't you think that revenue gap will shrink in the direction of G5 money after a few years? Much to the chagrin of FSU and Clemson, which teams draw big audiences on their own....without playing another big or bigger name?

It's pretty big ...

We are talking 4 million v. 40 million. Even if it is just 25 million that's big.

And, I don't know that many people have thought through the next big increase. That's the back breaker in 2026 - the CFP money. Here is what I know:

- CFP money will go from $450 million-ish, to $1.8 billion-ish. Close to 4X. Some of that will go to the G5 as it does now. But, there are no requirements that it do so.

- The shares will be based more on a distribution schedule like March Madness. Here is an example of how there are units based on the games played and the amount of revenue derived.

Each 2022 unit is worth $338,887 paid to the conference of the participating school. Each unit has a six-year shelf life, meaning one unit this season is worth $2,033,322 overall. Those payouts are split evenly among the conference's 11 schools. The conference office does not take a share. For a conference like the MW, one NCAA Tournament game equaling $2.03 million is huge money. So having teams advance in the NCAA Tournament is a big deal. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened much of late.

So, you have 12 teams, and a total of 11 games. Some money will be skimmed off the top, but the rest will be paid out in units based on the number of teams that get in and advance. As you can see, this benefits the SEC and the B1G greatly, where you can anticipate 3-4 teams per year, and with the SEC at least those teams going deep. I actually think there may be 15 units instead of 11, with the 4 byes getting a unit for getting a bye.

In any event, this is where it gets crazy and the SEC will go from $72 million per year per team, to $110 million per year per team. And when the ACC gets 1 or 2 in, their numbers will go up. Not sure about the PAC and/or the B12.

What people see as ACC 40 million v. SEC 72 million could easily go to ACC 55 million, SEC 110 million.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

that isnt saying much G5 schools get pennies.
MW gets like 4 mill
AAC gets like 7 mill
Mac less than 1 mill
CUSA about .5 mill
Sun Belt about .5 mill also

so people saying 25 would put Pac at G5 level are way off too.

You should be looking the other way ... it's 25 million v. 110 million.

Also, you don't have a deal yet, and even if you do, being on Apple or ION may get you some money, but there are tons of negatives. It was bad enough no one carried your conference channel. Now you are going to stream on services that no one watches.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

but to say Pac is more G5 at this point or if they added those 2 vs the fact that Big 12 is legit 1/3 recent G5?

I get your point ... it was a little hyperbole. With Oregon you are ahead of any G5. But it's certainly going to be way lower than the P2, and even the B12 perhaps. Why will people want to stay with that if they have options?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

national TV is National TV.
still more people with ION than the Pac 12 network

No, it's really not. People flip around the ESPN/Fox sports channels and pick up games almost by accident. No one has ION or Apple in the mix. You will get destroyed on the recruiting trail if you are on ION. No high school player that is any good grew up hoping to be seen on ION. ESPN? Hell yes.

 

[Thiefery]

How will they be divided? Right now Rutgers gets the same share as Ohio State. When a Pitt or Syracuse are included in the 65, does Rutgers continue to get a share equal to Ohio State or will their's drop to one closer to what Pitt and Syracuse get?

Did Rutgers finally finish paying off it's dues yet? lol

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Oh, boy ...

 

[dhoey]

but to say Pac is more G5 at this point or if they added those 2 vs the fact that Big 12 is legit 1/3 recent G5?

The Pac was gutted long before USC and UCLA decided to leave. We haven't won shit In football in 15 years. We had a joke of a season during covid. Other conferences were playing damn near full seasons while we were sitting on our thumbs cause California told us it was too dangerous. We literally can't buy a top recruiting class because top recruits want to win....big surprise!

I think it's been 20 years for basketball. Hell, we don't even have the best basketball program on the west coast anymore. The Mountain west will get more in the tourney than the PAC.

The Network was a joke from the start. ESPN games start at 8pm when no one is watching.

Funny thing is....the Big Ten really isn't getting shit in UCLA and USC. A football team that hasn't been good since Pete Carrol left and a basketball school from the 90's. Access to recruiting grounds........that's a farce in itself. West coast recruits don't need Penn st or Michigan in California to sway them.