PAC News

[WhosYourDawggy]

please stop calling Oregon OU

I use UO.

 

[OlyDuck]

I definitely don't see the B1G expanding until they get a commissioner but I will say there will be heavy energy with the TV contract sucking so bad for the Pac12. I just don't see it continuing with that deal very long. I think NCAA Tournament in Basketball is also a major distraction. I expect things won't get interesting until later this year.

still dont think it will be any different than the Big XII

 

[OlyDuck]

They have basically two options right now that we know of, stick together and get a new contract, or some of the teams try to go to the Big12. Several teams are probably holding out for the B1G (Oregon and Washington) especially.

It seems like the "four corner" schools are not on board with heading to the B1G as much as originally touted.

However, their contract is definitely weaker than anyone and eventually it s going to pop and these teams are going to make tough choices. I think a lot of them are in denial at the moment of the situation.

I think the B1G long-term plan is probably to add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Notre Dame (dream list). I don't know if there is any traction right now towards that or not.

Overall, the Big12 beat them to a new contract and beat them early on by adding some G5 teams that made Financial Sense. The G5 pool is a lot weaker for the Pac12 and the TV Contract situation is not working out. To me, it makes sense for schools to go to the Big12 but I don't see indication that this is going on right now. There just isn't any teams that make sense for the Pac12 to add to drive value. Best option is probably San Diego State to get that presence in Southern California but even SD State is probably not adding very much, if anything at all from TV Contract standpoint.

Boise State may add something but Cal-Stanford likely still hate their academics and Boise State definitely doesn't replace what Pac12 lost by any means.

there is less holding out for the Big Ten now than people still think. they know where that stands.
contract is still likely to be of no real significant difference than the Big XII
I dont think the B1G has a long term plan like that. ND has always been on wish list even before any of this. the prior commish may have had a long term plan of sorts but that whole situation is pretty well done unless the new one comes in with a similar plan.
Big XII did beat them to a new contract and likely cost both conferences some money. they jumped at the first thing that came along. not saying it would have been substantially more.
two of those G5s never would have been on Pac radar. Houston would have been on a long list. BYU short.
I wouldnt say the pool got weaker exactly. options were always limited in the first place. competitive value is there but probably not the monetary. Schools like Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State would likely come in and be in the middle no different than most expect the new 4 to do in the BigXII. no one expecting any of them to win it or be last.

 

[Volbound1700]

there is less holding out for the Big Ten now than people still think. they know where that stands.
contract is still likely to be of no real significant difference than the Big XII
I dont think the B1G has a long term plan like that. ND has always been on wish list even before any of this. the prior commish may have had a long term plan of sorts but that whole situation is pretty well done unless the new one comes in with a similar plan.
Big XII did beat them to a new contract and likely cost both conferences some money. they jumped at the first thing that came along. not saying it would have been substantially more.
two of those G5s never would have been on Pac radar. Houston would have been on a long list. BYU short.
I wouldnt say the pool got weaker exactly. options were always limited in the first place. competitive value is there but probably not the monetary. Schools like Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State would likely come in and be in the middle no different than most expect the new 4 to do in the BigXII. no one expecting any of them to win it or be last.

I still haven't seen Pac12 match Big12 Contract so I will remain sceptical.

I do think, long-term, the B1G will want more West Coast teams to create a division. Oregon and Washington make the most sense starting out and I can see Stanford also getting into the mix and give a Northern California presence.

After that, I don't know. If we assume Notre Dame doesn't even up the league, I could see Cal (keep the game and academic love from B1G), Colorado (get Central Time zone and restore rival for Nebraska), or an Arizona team (close to USC/UCLA and get into Arizona market).

I just don't see UCLA and USC remaining on an island long-term. Not profitable for them or B1G.

 

[Deep Creek]

a more radical consolidation idea former ESPN president John Skipper proposed: Merging the ACC and Pac-12 — preferably in football only.

I've thought all along football only conferences would be best. And there would be only two "big" football conferences of about 25-30 schools which would NOT include many of the current B1G and SEC members. Only a couple from the ACC and PAC 12 could be added and none from the Big 12 would be included. Why share with 64 when only about 24 generate the revenue?

 

[Thiefery]

1. He expects a new deal soon and in the 50mm range

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I've thought all along football only conferences would be best. And there would be only two "big" football conferences of about 25-30 schools which would NOT include many of the current B1G and SEC members. Only a couple from the ACC and PAC 12 could be added and none from the Big 12 would be included. Why share with 64 when only about 24 generate the revenue?

Wouldn't this really be a P5 - G5 split, but with some P5 getting left out. For example, I am not sure I would mind if Vandy didn't play SEC football, and started a Brain Conference with Duke, NW, Stanford, Vandy, Tulane and 5 others. But, SEC for everything else.

Have to figure out the money ... what would Vandy do without the money?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Wouldn't this really be a P5 - G5 split, but with some P5 getting left out. For example, I am not sure I would mind if Vandy didn't play SEC football, and started a Brain Conference with Duke, NW, Stanford, Vandy, Tulane and 5 others. But, SEC for everything else.

Have to figure out the money ... what would Vandy do without the money?

What does Vandy spend money on anyway?

Aren't they the ones that combined their AD department with intramural sports? They have the worst facilities in the league so I'm not sure where the money is going.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

What does Vandy spend money on anyway?

Aren't they the ones that combined their AD department with intramural sports? They have the worst facilities in the league so I'm not sure where the money is going.

They have a 300 million capital campaign going on right now. Basketball and baseball facilities are fine. Stadium is terrible, but will be better. Still one of the best road trips every other year.

 

[Volbound1700]

What does Vandy spend money on anyway?

Aren't they the ones that combined their AD department with intramural sports? They have the worst facilities in the league so I'm not sure where the money is going.

I have always thought Vanderbilt should have not cared as much about Football (hard to argue they do anyways) and go the Duke route and get really good in Basketball and other sports (they have gotten good in Baseball).

SEC Basketball is still wide open. The only traditional power in the league is Kentucky. UK could have been UNC and Vandy the Duke of the SEC in Basketball. Problem is that Vanderbilt is about as bad in Basketball as they are in Football historically.

 

[Deep Creek]

Wouldn't this really be a P5 - G5 split, but with some P5 getting left out. For example, I am not sure I would mind if Vandy didn't play SEC football, and started a Brain Conference with Duke, NW, Stanford, Vandy, Tulane and 5 others. But, SEC for everything else.

Have to figure out the money ... what would Vandy do without the money?

Vandy ain't the only SEC school that doesn't create "national" buzz. Regional, yeah. National, no.

 

[OlyDuck]

No he expects a total money all invlusive to be close to 50. Media, bowls, playoff, march madness

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

OU is that school in Eugene correct?

No.

 

[Volbound1700]

Vandy ain't the only SEC school that doesn't create "national" buzz. Regional, yeah. National, no.

True but they are probably the worse offender by a large margin. They cannot even fill a 45k stadium. Some of the other small regional schools such as Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, etc. fill their stadiums (and have larger stadiums).

Vanderbilt has been one of the worse FBS programs in modern history. Overall, they are still not one of the worse CFB all-time programs but most of their success is prior to the invention of television.

 

[OlyDuck]

True but they are probably the worse offender by a large margin. They cannot even fill a 45k stadium. Some of the other small regional schools such as Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, etc. fill their stadiums (and have larger stadiums).

Vanderbilt has been one of the worse FBS programs in modern history. Overall, they are still not one of the worse CFB all-time programs but most of their success is prior to the invention of television.

they can but doesnt mean they do.
Missouri, Miss St never got to capacity in 23 and most werent even close.

 

[Wild Turkey]

they can but doesnt mean they do.
Missouri, Miss St never got to capacity in 23 and most werent even close.

College Football Attendance Rankings: 2023 CFN Five-Year Program Analysis

College football attendance rankings. CFN's five-year analysis of the attendance ranking all 133 current college programs.

www.yahoo.com

5 Year Average College Football Attendance Rankings:

37. Oregon - 42,205
35. Missouri - 43,570
30. Mississippi State - 46,169

Both of them still averaged more fans than you did over the last 5 years.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

True but they are probably the worse offender by a large margin. They cannot even fill a 45k stadium. Some of the other small regional schools such as Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, etc. fill their stadiums (and have larger stadiums).

Vanderbilt has been one of the worse FBS programs in modern history. Overall, they are still not one of the worse CFB all-time programs but most of their success is prior to the invention of television.

Unfortunately, no lies being told ^^^

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

No he expects a total money all invlusive to be close to 50. Media, bowls, playoff, march madness

But no one else is calculating the new CFP money either. When that hits in 2026, look the fuck out ... the SEC and the B1G will bury everyone at that point.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

College Football Attendance Rankings: 2023 CFN Five-Year Program Analysis

College football attendance rankings. CFN's five-year analysis of the attendance ranking all 133 current college programs.

www.yahoo.com

5 Year Average College Football Attendance Rankings:

37. Oregon - 42,205
35. Missouri - 43,570
30. Mississippi State - 46,169

Both of them still averaged more fans than you did over the last 5 years.

I never realized how puny Oregon's stadium was. Only Vanderbilt is smaller in the SEC. Yikes.

 

[OlyDuck]

College Football Attendance Rankings: 2023 CFN Five-Year Program Analysis

College football attendance rankings. CFN's five-year analysis of the attendance ranking all 133 current college programs.

www.yahoo.com

5 Year Average College Football Attendance Rankings:

37. Oregon - 42,205
35. Missouri - 43,570
30. Mississippi State - 46,169

Both of them still averaged more fans than you did over the last 5 years.

both still have larger stadiums too.
2020 and 21 throw the stats because of 0 fans and limited fans in Pac